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Players leaving early for pros -- does basketball or football rule bother you more?

Which pro league eligibility rule bothers you more?

  • NBA (1 year from high school)

    Votes: 28 77.8%

  • NFL (3 years from high school)

    Votes: 8 22.2%
  • Total voters
    36
Buffnik

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In basketball, we talk about the one-and-done.

In football, it's about being 3 years removed from high school.

Which situation bothers you more: what the basketball rule does to reduce continuity within programs or what the football rule does to restrict capable players from earning the money they could command as a professional?
 
Football... these men are 18, pay taxes, can serve in the military, but if they have a skill the market wants then they are limited from earning off it so they can serve an organization that has made an art of milking their gifts for cash?

Kids hit 18, they should be able to go do whatever. Yes, I realize this would kill college football.
 
The libertarian in me thinks that they should be allowed to enter the NFL at 14 if they're qualified. The Buff fan in me thinks that they should be forced to spend all four (and possibly five) years on campus contributing to the greatness of the University of Colorado.
 
If they're good enough to go the pros right from HS in basketball let them go immediately, if they choose to go to college make them stay 3 years.

Football no excuse to let an 18 year old go into the NFL they would get seriously injured 99.9% of the time. 3 years is a good amount of time to let them grow in size and maturity.
 
GoBuffs88 said:
If they're good enough to go the pros right from HS in basketball let them go immediately, if they choose to go to college make them stay 3 years.

Football no excuse to let an 18 year old go into the NFL they would get seriously injured 99.9% of the time. 3 years is a good amount of time to let them grow in size and maturity.
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There is no science to back this up. We see 18 year olds go into tough, physical sports all the time and perform fine without getting seriously injured '99.9%' of the time. Hockey comes to mind right off the bat.
 
Players leaving early for pros -- does basketball or football rule bother you...

Not being able to go pro immediately is a joke. Careers are short, they should be able to start them immediately. Instead they are forced to make the universities rich, and often they have no business attending a university. In my mind the system is crazy.


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dio said:
There is no science to back this up. We see 18 year olds go into tough, physical sports all the time and perform fine without getting seriously injured '99.9%' of the time. Hockey comes to mind right off the bat.
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I also think it would be very difficult to quantify that someone's body takes less punishment in D1 NCAA football than it does in NFL football. (In fact, it's my impression that veteran NFL players get injured at a higher rate than rookies or young players.)
 
GoBuffs88 said:
If they're good enough to go the pros right from HS in basketball let them go immediately, if they choose to go to college make them stay 3 years.

Football no excuse to let an 18 year old go into the NFL they would get seriously injured 99.9% of the time. 3 years is a good amount of time to let them grow in size and maturity.
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Why do guys like these need 3 years to mature and develop?

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I don't like either rule. The NFL/NBA are using the college system as unpaid minor league development space, and colleges are benefiting from having star players to boost revenue. Eliminate the rules. The pros will draft the youngsters, who can decide college vs pro just like baseball players, and develop a paid developmental league structure since most 18-yo aren't ready for pro sports.

My personal advice would be for all athletes to go to college and get a degree since pro careers are typically over in a blink of an eye. That said, people should have the ability and liberty to choose their own path in life based on their individuals circumstances.
 
GoBuffs88 said:
If they're good enough to go the pros right from HS in basketball let them go immediately, if they choose to go to college make them stay 3 years.

Football no excuse to let an 18 year old go into the NFL they would get seriously injured 99.9% of the time. 3 years is a good amount of time to let them grow in size and maturity.
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We let them go to war. Pretty sure sports in pads isn't as dangerous as that.
 
I'm going to post this one post. Then I'm done. Can't stand the NBA rule. But a kid is a lot more apt to be mature enough, physically, to come out after a year for BBall than FBall.
 
DBT said:
I'm going to post this one post. Then I'm done. Can't stand the NBA rule. But a kid is a lot more apt to be mature enough, physically, to come out after a year for BBall than FBall.
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The problem with the last part of your post is that it's assuming that NFL teams are going to be taking kids who aren't physically there. Did Clowney really need to go to college for 3 years when he was 6'6" 250 coming out of high school? There likely wouldn't be a wave of high school guys going straight to the nfl, just like there weren't a ton of kids going straight to the NBA. If Clowney went straight to the nfl after high school, he would have been physically ready after being in a NFL strength program and really dedicating his life to football and having the money to do so. NFL teams aren't stupid, if a guy is ready he'll be picked. If not they would go to college.
 
The thing I like about having a rule about a year removed from high school is because of all the damage that will be done if we've got pro scouts and sports agents all over our high schools.

I don't like the 1-year rule because of what it does to the continuity of the college game.

I don't like the 3-year rule because of how guys capable of making millions are held out while risking their careers playing as amateurs.

On balance, the 3-year rule bothers me more. I think about how silly it would have been for Alec to come back to play for CU MBB as a junior when he was slotted as a lottery pick (or Chauncey before him). Likewise, I don't think Ezekiel Elliott can do anything to improve his draft position this upcoming season at Ohio State. If guys want to stay, great. If they don't, they shouldn't be forced. So give me the basketball rule as the best of a situation that will never be ideal.
 
'Tini said:
Why do guys like these need 3 years to mature and develop?

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How often do true freshman contribute on competitive D1 FBS teams? How often do rookies contribute in the NFL? They usually sit a year or two anyway. Get a little college education to deal with life after football. Sure there careers may be a year or two longer but what do they do the rest of the 50 years of their life? Go back to school? That's always easy.
 
GoBuffs88 said:
How often do true freshman contribute on competitive D1 FBS teams? How often do rookies contribute in the NFL? They usually sit a year or two anyway. Get a little college education to deal with life after football. Sure there careers may be a year or two longer but what do they do the rest of the 50 years of their life? Go back to school? That's always easy.
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What if the player wants to be a plumber, electrician, or another skilled trade after he finishes his playing days? It's arrogant to think that college is for everyone. Skilled trades can earn serious income without a degree. If they have to go to college for 3 years they can't even work on the side (because of NCAA rules) and lose those years of pay. Preventing an individual from maximizing their earning potential doesn't make sense to me. The rule is collusion between the NFL and NBA cartels and the NCAA. I don't think the "it's for player development" is an accurate portrayal of why the rule is in place.


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Mr. Babar said:
What if the player wants to be a plumber, electrician, or another skilled trade after he finishes his playing days? It's arrogant to think that college is for everyone. Skilled trades can earn serious income without a degree. If they have to go to college for 3 years they can't even work on the side (because of NCAA rules) and lose those years of pay. Preventing an individual from maximizing their earning potential doesn't make sense to me. The rule is collusion between the NFL and NBA cartels and the NCAA. I don't think the "it's for player development" is an accurate portrayal of why the rule is in place.


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The rule is collusion between the NFL and the NFLPA (union). They couldn't give fewer ****s about what the NCAA thinks.

NFL owners want to reduce risk of bad picks and the development costs associated with younger players (draft them ready and with more film on them).

NFL players understand that if there are 50 younger guys who aren't allowed into the league, that means 50 jobs are kept for players who are already a part of the union.

Same goes for the NBA, but to a lesser extent of concern from both parties involved in the decision.
 
Buffnik said:
The rule is collusion between the NFL and the NFLPA (union). They couldn't give fewer ****s about what the NCAA thinks.

NFL owners want to reduce risk of bad picks and the development costs associated with younger players (draft them ready and with more film on them).

NFL players understand that if there are 50 younger guys who aren't allowed into the league, that means 50 jobs are kept for players who are already a part of the union.

Same goes for the NBA, but to a lesser extent of concern from both parties involved in the decision.
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Great point. I wasn't think about the PAs in the respective leagues.


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Mr. Babar said:
Great point. I wasn't think about the PAs in the respective leagues.


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They're actually the ones that drive this. The pro leagues would be breaking the law if they put an arbitrary age restriction on employment. But the union can arbitrarily set a minimum age that is required to be a member. Since the pro league can't employ anyone who isn't a union member...

So they're able to work hand-in-glove on this but with the union having all the leverage.
 
How about implementing the baseball rule : Eligible to sign up for pay out of HS, but if you choose college, you're bound to stay for three years. Use the same system for all sports

Seems like a reasonable compromise. Kids that are ready for pro development or can play, can go pro and then its up to the pro clubs to develop them. Kids that want college for development and education can elect school, but are committed for 3 years on campus, until they can be drafted again. Splits the baby for the benefit of all.

Hockey doesn't offer an example because of all the semi-pro "juniors" stuff (I remember when DU won the Frozen Four and their "freshman" goalie celebrated with a beer, legally, since he was 21!) and in soccer, kids can go to Europe and play when they're 15, if good enough and some do.
 
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Buffnik said:
They're actually the ones that drive this. The pro leagues would be breaking the law if they put an arbitrary age restriction on employment. But the union can arbitrarily set a minimum age that is required to be a member. Since the pro league can't employ anyone who isn't a union member...

So they're able to work hand-in-glove on this but with the union having all the leverage.
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has that been legally challenged in a right to work state?
 
sackman said:
The libertarian in me thinks that they should be allowed to enter the NFL at 14 if they're qualified. The Buff fan in me thinks that they should be forced to spend all four (and possibly five) years on campus contributing to the greatness of the University of Colorado.
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It would actually level the playing field really quickly for us. It's not like we are putting anyone in the league.

Teams with talent like UCLA and USC would hurt.
 
Let them start their careers as soon as the league is willing to hire them. I think the # of years removed from high school rules are bull**** and benefit everyone except the players.
 
Didn't Klatt have it in his contract that the MLB team that drafted him would cover his college if he didn't make it to the bigs?

I think its common in Baseball. I know their eligibility is gone, but at least their college would be covered.


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