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Rate the CU head coaches on job security / performance

Buffnik

Buffnik

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I've got MacIntyre pretty low among CU coaches. I think Tad is among the coaches who can probably coach at CU as long as they want to. In order, I'd go:
  1. Wetmore (CC / T&F)
  2. Rokos (Skiing)
  3. Sanchez (W-Soc)
  4. Boyle (MBB)
  5. Elliott (W-Lax)
  6. Mahoney (WVB)
  7. Edwards (M-Golf)
  8. Kelly (W-Golf)
  9. MacIntyre (FB)
  10. Payne (WBB)
  11. Kenneally (W-Ten)
I think job security is high enough to coach here forever down to #8 if their programs continue doing what they've done. With the top 2, the bottom would have to absolutely fall out for me to even think about a change.
 
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Buffnik said:
I think Tad is among the coaches who can probably coach at CU as long as they want to. In order, I'd go:
  1. Wetmore
  2. Rokos
  3. Sanchez
  4. Boyle
  5. Elliott
  6. Mahoney
  7. Edwards
  8. Kelly
  9. MacIntyre
  10. Payne
  11. Kenneally
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This is an interesting topic. Maybe for another thread, but I’d put Elliot above Boyle and Sanchez. I think what she has done is nothing short of spectacular. A national championship wouldn’t shock me. Maybe not this year. Maybe not next. But at some point over the next 10 years? Yeah. She’s that good.
 
Not Sure said:
This is an interesting topic. Maybe for another thread, but I’d put Elliot above Boyle and Sanchez. I think what she has done is nothing short of spectacular. A national championship wouldn’t shock me. Maybe not this year. Maybe not next. But at some point over the next 10 years? Yeah. She’s that good.
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Still so early, though. I could see her moving up that list pretty quickly if our Buffs win the Pac-12 this year. Can't wait for that home tourney in Boulder this April.

I'll split this off into a new thread.
 
Buffnik said:
Still so early, though. I could see her moving up that list pretty quickly if our Buffs win the Pac-12 this year. Can't wait for that home tourney in Boulder this April.

I'll split this off into a new thread.
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Early, yes. All the more reason, IMO. A team that didn’t exist five years ago is now a legit contender. Can you imagine what she could do with some decent facilities? I don’t think she’s getting the majority of her players from Colorado, so she’s basically transformed a non existent program into a national draw for athletes. That’s sickening.
 
Excellent ranking...cant argue with any of it. I think Tad may move up with what looks like a very promising team next year and beyone...he should have all the pieces in place for a top 4 finish in the P12. Could be his best team since he's been there....legitimate center....very good PG....solid off guard candidates...Bey is very good....solid up front with much depth. MM better win this year or the seat will be VERY hot.
 
Buffnik said:
I've got MacIntyre pretty low among CU coaches. I think Tad is among the coaches who can probably coach at CU as long as they want to. In order, I'd go:
  1. Wetmore
  2. Rokos
  3. Sanchez
  4. Boyle
  5. Elliott
  6. Mahoney
  7. Edwards
  8. Kelly
  9. MacIntyre
  10. Payne
  11. Kenneally
I think job security is high enough to coach here forever down to #8 if their programs continue doing what they've done. With the top 2, the bottom would have to absolutely fall out for me to even think about a change.
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Tad should get a lifetime contract.
 
Football version:

1. ShaDon Brown - DB/secondary
2. Ashley Ambrose - DB
3. Kurt Roper - QB
4. Darian Hagan - RB
5. Kwahn Drake - DL
6. D.J. Eliot - DC
7. Darrin Chiaverini - Co-OC & WR
8. Klayton Adams - Co-OC &OL
9. Ross Els - ILB
10. Gary Bernardi - TE
11. Mike MacIntyre - HC

I put the new coaches high on the list, because they have no bad track record at CU. I put Kwahn as the lowest of the new guys because his position group is in the worst shape out of the new coaches.
 
Boyle is first because there is no pressure to win.
Then Mac because there is some pressure to win.

The rest don't hit my radar.
 
I don't even know who any of the coaches are excepting MikMac, Tad and Wetmore...gonna be a long off-season.
 
Buffnik said:
I've got MacIntyre pretty low among CU coaches. I think Tad is among the coaches who can probably coach at CU as long as they want to. In order, I'd go:
  1. Wetmore
  2. Rokos
  3. Sanchez
  4. Boyle
  5. Elliott
  6. Mahoney
  7. Edwards
  8. Kelly
  9. MacIntyre
  10. Payne
  11. Kenneally
I think job security is high enough to coach here forever down to #8 if their programs continue doing what they've done. With the top 2, the bottom would have to absolutely fall out for me to even think about a change.
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You should add the sport next to their name. I can’t remember what Kelly coaches for the life of me.
 
Huge distinction between revenue sports and non-revenue sports.

The head coach of the football program is always on notice. His success or lack of it can mean millions of dollars in difference revenue for the school. His athletes are also the ones who have the potential to end up all over the news media.

Tad has done a great job but again he influences a lot of revenue and image impact. WBB and WVB are the next highest potential for impact.

After that a coach has to be pretty bad to be at high risk. Helps to be a guy like Wetmore who turns a non-revenue, low profile sport into an asset for the school but for most of the sports expectations are different.
 
MtnBuff said:
Huge distinction between revenue sports and non-revenue sports.

The head coach of the football program is always on notice. His success or lack of it can mean millions of dollars in difference revenue for the school. His athletes are also the ones who have the potential to end up all over the news media.

Tad has done a great job but again he influences a lot of revenue and image impact. WBB and WVB are the next highest potential for impact.

After that a coach has to be pretty bad to be at high risk. Helps to be a guy like Wetmore who turns a non-revenue, low profile sport into an asset for the school but for most of the sports expectations are different.
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MM is gone with no bowl this coming year IMO. Boyle gets a little more of a leash...........simply because I think this team overachieved (I was expecting 3-4 Pac 12 wins) given its roster.
 
BatBuff said:
Football version:

1. ShaDon Brown - DB/secondary
2. Ashley Ambrose - DB
3. Kurt Roper - QB
4. Darian Hagan - RB
5. Kwahn Drake - DL
6. D.J. Eliot - DC
7. Darrin Chiaverini - Co-OC & WR
8. Klayton Adams - Co-OC &OL
9. Ross Els - ILB
10. Gary Bernardi - TE
11. Mike MacIntyre - HC

I put the new coaches high on the list, because they have no bad track record at CU. I put Kwahn as the lowest of the new guys because his position group is in the worst shape out of the new coaches.
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I'd put Els and Chev above Eliot. He's got the hottest seat of the assistants right now...........with Bernardi and Adams being 2 and 2A.
 
ahoelsken said:
I'd put Els and Chev above Eliot. He's got the hottest seat of the assistants right now...........with Bernardi and Adams being 2 and 2A.
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I put Chev that low because of how poorly the WR group performed last year. Plus he now is in a bigger role, so if the offense sucks, he will get a lot of the blame.
 
ahoelsken said:
MM is gone with no bowl this coming year IMO. Boyle gets a little more of a leash...........simply because I think this team overachieved (I was expecting 3-4 Pac 12 wins) given its roster.
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I expect MM to survive one more year even with a repeat losing record. Just a hunch, 2nd bad year after ‘coach-of-the-year’ may be given one more try. It may depend on whether things look promising in spite of the record.

BB is more intriguing in some respects. We’ve gone into seasons with high expectations and been disappointed, also have been pleasantly surprised in years with low expectations (e.g. this year). Will the apparent promise of this year’s team meet expectations, next year? I think so, but sure don’t want to be hearing ‘we’ll they’re just sophomores after all...’ this time next year. 20 wins and NCAA tourney should happen.
 
aghcsm said:
I expect MM to survive one more year even with a repeat losing record. Just a hunch, 2nd bad year after ‘coach-of-the-year’ may be given one more try. It may depend on whether things look promising in spite of the record.

BB is more intriguing in some respects. We’ve gone into seasons with high expectations and been disappointed, also have been pleasantly surprised in years with low expectations (e.g. this year). Will the apparent promise of this year’s team meet expectations, next year? I think so, but sure don’t want to be hearing ‘we’ll they’re just sophomores after all...’ this time next year. 20 wins and NCAA tourney should happen.
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We play Oregon State and Cal again. UCLA and both Arizona schools changed coaches. WSU lost Falk and their defensive coordinator, and they come here. I'd have a very hard time seeing how five wins or worse can be see as "promising".
 
ahoelsken said:
We play Oregon State and Cal again. UCLA and both Arizona schools changed coaches. WSU lost Falk and their defensive coordinator, and they come here. I'd have a very hard time seeing how five wins or worse can be see as "promising".
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I don’t think many of us as fans could see anything promising in a repeat of last year’s record.. It just seems to me the administration will likely keep him another year if there’s any glimmer of hope/promise they can identify.
 
aghcsm said:
I don’t think many of us as fans could see anything promising in a repeat of last year’s record.. It just seems to me the administration will likely keep him another year if there’s any glimmer of hope/promise they can identify.
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If MM misses a bowl again, there is no way RG can keep him after talking about how he wants the football team competing for Pac 12 championships and what not.
 
ahoelsken said:
If MM misses a bowl again, there is no way RG can keep him after talking about how he wants the football team competing for Pac 12 championships and what not.
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Good point, I rather expect the Buffs to be bowling so this discussion is likely moot.
 
aghcsm said:
And slipping into a bowl at 6-6 is hardly meeting RG’s goals.
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I would agree, but I think we were expecting some slippage from 2016 to LY. Leavitt left, we had three starters in the secondary get drafted, we lost Sefo.......so I'd have taken 6-6 or 7-5 last year......but we didn't get there. Thus, MM's seat is that much warmer.
 
What maddening about last year is how close we came to 7 or even 8 wins. UCLA, UA and ASU were all games we either were leading or within one score in the 4Th quarter. We absolutely abused ASU for 3.5 quarters and then shat ourselves.
The game that disappointed me the most, though, was that Utah game. Utterly disappointing. They quit before they got off the bus. They had everything to play for, and played as though they had nothing to play for. Probably the only game all year where they didn’t show up at all. Even against UW and USC they had a pulse. Hell, they still had a shot against USC deep into the 4th quarter.
I’m not sure if this all makes me more optimistic or less for the next year. If MM can get their heads on straight, this could be a very good year. If not, he probably deserves to go, with our gratitude for resurrecting the program from the depths of college football.
 
Not Sure said:
What maddening about last year is how close we came to 7 or even 8 wins. UCLA, UA and ASU were all games we either were leading or within one score in the 4Th quarter. We absolutely abused ASU for 3.5 quarters and then shat ourselves.
The game that disappointed me the most, though, was that Utah game. Utterly disappointing. They quit before they got off the bus. They had everything to play for, and played as though they had nothing to play for. Probably the only game all year where they didn’t show up at all. Even against UW and USC they had a pulse. Hell, they still had a shot against USC deep into the 4th quarter.
I’m not sure if this all makes me more optimistic or less for the next year. If MM can get their heads on straight, this could be a very good year. If not, he probably deserves to go, with our gratitude for resurrecting the program from the depths of college football.
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The team also pulled out a close win against a bad Oregon State team and won a sloppy game against CSU, which was closer than the score indicated. The close games tend to even out over the course of a season.
 
Duff Man said:
The team also pulled out a close win against a bad Oregon State team and won a sloppy game against CSU, which was closer than the score indicated. The close games tend to even out over the course of a season.
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True. That doesn’t change my feelings on the subject, though. In 2016, those types games went our way (Oregon, Stanford, UCLA, Utah). So what happened in 2017 to make us soft where we had been so solid just the year before? And the biggest question is can we get back to what we were doing right in 2016?

MM is paid to ask these questions and come up with answers.
 
Duff Man said:
The team also pulled out a close win against a bad Oregon State team and won a sloppy game against CSU, which was closer than the score indicated. The close games tend to even out over the course of a season.
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Agree that things tend to even out but some teams seem to end up with more than their share of those losses and others manage to win more than their share of the close ones, good or bad.

You can't get away from talent being the single biggest decider of games but when the game is close at the end coaching does matter. Breaks tend to even out but what we often describe as "luck" doesn't.

The old saying about luck being when preparation meets opportunity fits. That coaching element has a lot to do with the preparation element.
 
To the original question, Wetmore and Rokos are in a class by themselves - the AD that loses them to anything but death or retirement should be fired on the spot.

After that, I just don't know enough to have strong feelings except for MBB or football. I'm also not sure that any revenue sport coach will ever reach coach for life status (although McCartney could have).

An aside: I do think it will be hard to hire or keep a true marquee coach for WBB as long as Barry retains a prominent role in the AD - having a hof former coach in the AD casts a long shadow.
 
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