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Regarding the OL and Adams

Buffnik

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When Utah was in the MWC, they had a very good OL. But the first thing that Whittingham saw that he needed to emphasize on this level of football when they moved up to the Pac-12 was that they needed to get bigger. They and Stanford have been the standard in the conference and they are big OLs. Washington is joining that mix and they are built the same way.

I look at the teams at the top of the rankings. They have some of the biggest OLs in the nation.

The best college OLs are averaging over 310 pounds across the front.

That said, I can understand the rationale of being lighter than that and more agile. I saw it work with the Broncos and the 49ers during each of their glory years. Both teams had great run games.

Further, I get that if you want to play up-tempo and run 90+ plays a game that it's hard to do for OLs on the massive side because they'll get gassed.

But this isn't working. Not only can't our OL move anyone, but the athleticism isn't there either. They look lost in space, constantly get blown up when DLs shoot gaps or on run blitzes, and they can't stay with guys in pass protection.

At the end of the day, the simple fact is that OLs will never be as athletic as DLs. So they have to be bigger and stronger while being athletic enough to get into them so they can beat on them.

Beyond that, Coach Adams has not improved any player he has coached or the unit in general. In 2017, it wasn't just that we lost a blocking TE and a competent C. Irwin and Kough regressed instead of building on their junior seasons. Haigler was worse as a soph than as a frosh and he's even worse now -- couldn't hold down his starting job at RT over frikin' Kaiser or a true frosh who missed camp in Fillip. Lynott regressed in 2017 before his injury and has been a shadow of his 2017 self this year (maybe due to injury).

Further, Adams had one good recruiting year with the 2017 class. But that class also included losing his best commit to Baylor close to signing day and his next most heralded healthy recruit (Polley) has left the program. 2018 class was a disappointment. 2019 class isn't turning any heads. And his claim to fame as a recruiter when coaching RBs (how the **** was he ever in that job?) was landing Bisharat. There's almost nothing there that I can point to that justifies his continued retention on this staff, let alone him getting promotions and pay bumps. I guess I have heard that he's an absolutely awesome guy the players love, but if it doesn't translate into closing on the recruiting trail or getting your position group to develop & perform -- why would anyone give a **** about that?

TL/DR -- I believe our entire OL philosophy is wrong, it's not working and I put a lot of blame on Coach Adams.
 
Could RG tell HCMM to fore anyone on his staff if he wants to be back next season?

Adams would be on the top of that list.
 
Completely agree. I was shocked when Adams got promoted after a year in which the OL he was responsible for regressed across the board. I think it was WyoBuff who said (paraphrasing here) that Adams was implementing a new, modern technique on our O line that is cutting edge. If it is a good system, then it is either not being coached well enough or we don’t have the players for it. Either way, it’s been too long without any sustained success on our O line and I’m ready for a coach and system (old school or not) that works.
 
I see no sign that we have tried to recruit lighter, athletic linemen. Or bigger, more physical linemen. Or any coherent strategy for the ol at all.

With a couple of exceptions, All we recruit are 2 star guys that have no business at this level, and even if adams and bernardi were coaching them up, it still wouldnt work.

What our over his head coach doesn't seem to understand is that on the OL, the 4 and 5 star guys are hitting the weights and getting coached up too. You can get away with “developing” guys like brent tonz at sjsu, but not in the pac 12. The gap isnt going to close.

I had a sick feeling in my stomach at the start of the season when I saw brent tonz and josh kaiser in the starting lineup, but I told myself that they'd get phased out. Instead they keep getting rotated in and out and killing our offense in the process.
 
The OL has been the root of our offensive misery the last 5 weeks. Adams is a defo never ever person... he should be gone right now.
 
The OL has been the root of our offensive misery the last 5 weeks. Adams is a defo never ever person... he should be gone right now.

No, our OL has been the root of our offensive misery for six years.

Blame Adams or whoever you want.

Fact is that we haven't recruited sufficiently and the result is a losing team.

That goes to the head coach and this one has had more than enough time to fix it and hasn't.
 
No, our OL has been the root of our offensive misery for six years.

Blame Adams or whoever you want.

Fact is that we haven't recruited sufficiently and the result is a losing team.

That goes to the head coach and this one has had more than enough time to fix it and hasn't.
Not just recruiting. Also mentality. For most years during that span, CSU had a better OL than we did. It wasn't because of recruiting. It was coaching and mentality.
 
Not just recruiting. Also mentality. For most years during that span, CSU had a better OL than we did. It wasn't because of recruiting. It was coaching and mentality.

Agree about CSU but they have also made recruiting OL a priority. They recruit their guys and always seem to have guys ready to step in.
 
Agree about CSU but they have also made recruiting OL a priority. They recruit their guys and always seem to have guys ready to step in.
Exactly. CU has not even been at the level of "recruiting their guys and having guys ready to step in". That's ****ed up and inexcusable. We're talking basic competence here.
 
So our OL isn't big, but make up for it by being unathletic. Awesome.

Do stars matter?
That sounds like the SMU 30 for 30 thing. I don't wanna quote it because I don't know if it's right, we aren't big but we're slow or some ****.:D
 
Well, earlier today I felt apathetic and now I feel disgruntled. Thanks Nik!

Sucks when 'hope' is all you have to look forward to. On the flip side, we'd all be more productive humans if we stopped wasting energy on a ****ty program.
 
Credit on the big Travon run - and you can't really take that away - but...
 
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