Ringo: "There is no chance Embree gets fired this year"

[JWP303]

Responding to a question on twitter:

@KyleRingo How many years does the administration give Embree?#CUBuffs

Kyle Ringo ‏@KyleRingo At least three, maybe four depending on how Year 3 goes. There is no chance he gets fired this year based on president Benson

While I knew it was unlikely, I thought there was still a chance Embree would get the boot. Ringo says "no chance."

As if we weren't already depressed enough today.

 

[tante]

And that is the crux of the problem. Benson is making decision for the AD.

 

[Lt.Col.FrankSlade]

Is this just Ringo's opinion? Or has someone at CU actually told him this?

 

[slider]

I thought Benson wasn't a micromanager

 

[JWP303]

Is this just Ringo's opinion? Or has someone at CU actually told him this?

I think it's just Ringo's opinion... But even if he is speculating he's got more inside information that the rest of us - and there is no reason to suspect anything other than Benson meddling. So everything adds up.

 

[chipwich]

Our football program..

 

[JWP303]

Our football program..

 

[Daaah]

Knowing the internet fairly well, I do not like where these images are headed.

 

[tante]

Our football program..

Maybe on Friday, Nov 9th Embree will take the team there and say "Just like looking in the mirror boys, now lets hit up the heart attack grill"

 

[Dark Bohner]

This means nothing. Check back when CU is 1-11 on Saturday of Thanksgiving weekend and has now lost 8 straight by an average margin of 30 points per game and attendence is now in the 30k's. I'm sorry, but money talks, and keeping Embree under those circumstances will be a financial disaster for Colorado.

 

[JWP303]

This means nothing. Check back when CU is 1-11 on Saturday of Thanksgiving weekend and has now lost 8 straight by an average margin of 30 points per game and attendence is now in the 30k's. I'm sorry, but money talks, and keeping Embree under those circumstances will be a financial disaster for Colorado.

Since when does CU care about making the right decision? You think Hawkins' 5th season was great for the bottom line?

 

[tante]

Benson has just given us indisputable proof he doesn't care for the success of CU. There is absolutely no evidence that Embree has the ability to turn this around, we need to cut him loose at the end of the season and start rebuilding again.

 

[Lt.Col.FrankSlade]

I think it's just Ringo's opinion... But even if he is speculating he's got more inside information that the rest of us - and there is no reason to suspect anything other than Benson meddling. So everything adds up.

He says it is based upon an interview he had with Benson back in early October. But in that same interview, Benson was pretty luke warm on retaining Embree, if the Buffs went 1-11. Benson said, on the prospect of CU going 1-11 and retaining Embree:

"Well, if I knew the scnario and I knew what the facts were today, I'd be able to answer that. But I'm not going to answer that because I don't know."

Then he went on to talk about McCartney and how McCartney said CU was "on the right track."

Benson also said, "If all of a sudden we have a blow up and things are going really horrible, I'm sure somebody is going to say, 'Hey, we better take a hard look at what's happening.' But I wouldn't even entertain a thought like that today and I wouldn't know if I would entertain it next year or the next year. We just have to stop and wait and see what's going to happen and try to make decisions when you should."

 

[MiamiBuffs]

He says it is based upon an interview he had with Benson back in early October. But in that same interview, Benson was pretty luke warm on retaining Embree, if the Buffs went 1-11. Benson said, on the prospect of CU going 1-11 and retaining Embree:

"Well, if I knew the scnario and I knew what the facts were today, I'd be able to answer that. But I'm not going to answer that because I don't know."

Then he went on to talk about McCartney and how McCartney said CU was "on the right track."

Benson also said, "If all of a sudden we have a blow up and things are going really horrible, I'm sure somebody is going to say, 'Hey, we better take a hard look at what's happening.' But I wouldn't even entertain a thought like that today and I wouldn't know if I would entertain it next year or the next year. We just have to stop and wait and see what's going to happen and try to make decisions when you should."

furk

 

[Quattro]

Since when does CU care about making the right decision? You think Hawkins' 5th season was great for the bottom line?

Different circumstances then. Attendance will drop in the low 30's and that will be a lot of money lost, and that will be noticed by the higher ups and Bohn

 

[Uncle Ken]

Under normal circumstances, such a Tweet might empower a coaching staff in recruiting efforts...

 

[Lt.Col.FrankSlade]

Now he says it is a racial thing. Ringo says his first question should Embree be fired will be, "Why did you have the white head coach 5 years, and only give the black head coach 2 years."

 

[Uncle Ken]

Now he says it is a racial thing. Ringo says his first question should Embree be fired will be, "Why did you have the white head coach 5 years, and only give the black head coach 2 years."

Because we gave you a much lower buyout clause. Erm...wait...no further comment...

 

[Junction]

Now he says it is a racial thing. Ringo says his first question should Embree be fired will be, "Why did you have the white head coach 5 years, and only give the black head coach 2 years."

Because giving the white head coach 5 years was a stupid ****ing decision?

 

[leftybuff]

Well, I think the race thing is misplaced, but the prior coach, as much of a dunderhead as he was, had the team in a bowl game in year two.....need anyone say more?

 

[JWP303]

Different circumstances then. Attendance will drop in the low 30's and that will be a lot of money lost, and that will be noticed by the higher ups and Bohn

I hope you're right - but it seemed pretty clear that Hawkins had to go after year four, and they found an excuse to keep him around... So nothing would surprise me at this point.

 

[Jens1893]

Now he says it is a racial thing. Ringo says his first question should Embree be fired will be, "Why did you have the white head coach 5 years, and only give the black head coach 2 years."

He´s right tho. It´s a legit concern in my book.

 

[Lt.Col.FrankSlade]

He´s right tho. It´s a legit concern in my book.

So at the end of the day, CU hung on to Embree for another year because he's black?

 

[Walter White]

Just look at history. It's rare that a coach is given only two years. That's the pattern in college football. Right or wrong, that's what is typical. I'm not sure why anyone is suprised by this, especially at CU, the same guys who extended DH for no reason.

 

[NW Buff]

It is my opinion that we need the entire coaching staff changed. I do not, however, think that last week or this week will do anything to change the administrations' mind on the subject. We will get blown out by Oregon and everybody knows it.

I suspect everything rests on the last three weeks. Arizona, UW and Utah have all looked good and bad this season. I don't think we'll win any of those games (no reason to) but I suspect that bad losses in those games would force the issue. Of course, I could be wrong on that.

 

[Jens1893]

So at the end of the day, CU hung on to Embree for another year because he's black?

Look, Slade, I think the argument is bull****, but I can see it fly and think it could get ugly. I also think PDS/Benson have no balls whatsoever and would rather steer clear of such a discussion. I don´t think Ringo is bringing this up because he believes it, but because he think it might be a topic ... and I think he´s right about that.

 

[BuffUp]

We go from miserable Saturday to miserable every day following this extremely long train wreck of a program. We need to start blowing up email boxes for anyone associated with the leadership of the athletic department. Just like the hawk days... With the records that are being broken at this point it is flat out disgusting. And BTW, not playing nu the day after Thanksgiving, ticket sales will be way down. Utah fans are not going to gobble up all the fair weather fans and leftovers

 

[SINKRATZ]

Maybe this is a good thing. Ringo basically just said the President of the university is either clueless, gutless, or ambivalent. On top of that he made it clear this is Benson's call, not the AD who was actually hired to make this decision, but Benson himself. I'd love to hear Benson's (or Bohn's) reaction to this though I'm sure we won't.

 

[InTheBuff]

It is my opinion that we need the entire coaching staff changed. I do not, however, think that last week or this week will do anything to change the administrations' mind on the subject. We will get blown out by Oregon and everybody knows it.

I suspect everything rests on the last three weeks. Arizona, UW and Utah have all looked good and bad this season. I don't think we'll win any of those games (no reason to) but I suspect that bad losses in those games would force the issue. Of course, I could be wrong on that.

best chance for a win is Utah but I highly doubt it in front of 32K fans on a cold November afternoon-

 

[Quattro]

I hope you're right - but it seemed pretty clear that Hawkins had to go after year four, and they found an excuse to keep him around... So nothing would surprise me at this point.

Not denying that but there are some big differences now, with the biggest being the money from the Pac 12. Another big one is attendance.

2006: 46,048
2007: 50,509
2008: 49,476
2009: 50,088
2010: 46,864
2011: 50,355
2012: 46,299 through three games, looks to be decreasing as the season goes on (46843 --> 46893 --> 45161 [Blackout Game])

If we can't even get 50K to a blackout game, CU is going to be losing a lot of money in ticket and concessions sales, and there's no way that goes un-noticed. This will be the first year since Folsom could hold >50K that we won't top 50K (in all likelyhood) and then you combine this with a drop in season ticket sales and donations they'll have to act.