Yellow Shirt
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Dictated into phone in car, apologies and advance for pockets of gobbledygook.
From 1970 until 2003, thirty three years, Missouri was terrible. That's us.
For thirty years they had coaches that stayed between three and four years. None of them getting more than a 6-5 kind of blip. Lots of two and three win seasons sprinkled throughout.
In 2001 they hired Pinkel. In 2002 and 2003 he landed the #27 classes. He coached his way to a 2003 independence bowl appearance (L), missed a bowl the following year and then went on a 9 bowls in 10 years run. With the exception of those two 27 ranked classes that he got with his hire honeymoon, he's only cracked inside the top 30 twice, has never had a better than a 21, and routinely pulls classes in the 30s and even 40s. His recruiting average is rank is 34.4.
After regressing on the field in 2004, and watching recruiting classes continuing to slip lower (27, 27, 45, 38, 46), fans wanted him gone like his predecessors. Why did they keep him? Because over a ten year run as the head coach of Toledo, he had a .571 winning percentage, with an 11-0 in year 5. Because he coached his way to a bowl game with the same low grade talent that had been in shower-pissing in the MU locker room for thirty years.
What went right for Pinkel:
1 His resume at Toledo had the credibility needed to get those two #27 ranked classes
2 He had the coaching chops to elevate low talent to an above average cohesive team (that first independence bowl)
3 He knows what kind of player he wants and recruits consistently: rarely lower than 30 (unfortunately), but also never ever outside the top 50 (noteworthy)
4 He can still coach. Pinkel consistently gets his "34th" ranked players to finish higher in the standings.
All of this translates into concerns about MM.
1 He missed his recruiting bump that comes with a hire -this speaks to the true depth and quality of his professional resume.
2 He just lost a game that was slated as a win in the majority of bowl game scenarios. The verdict is still out on his ability to elevate talent.
3 Recruiting: if memory serves, this issue has been discussed inat least one other thread on the site.
4 unless something amazing happens in the remainder of the season, we will never get to "4."
I am not actively rooting for Mike McIntyre to fail. I do believe that the comparison above raises legitimate concerns, it opens the door for a firing. I don't think Mike McIntyre has the resume, has demonstrated superior set of coaching skills, or has the recruiting clout to hang onto his job. He won't get the years that they gave Gary at Missouri. In sum, I believe that is only chance of keeping the Colorado job is to find a way to win all the rest of the out of conference games, and three if not for conference games. Anything short of that, and considering that Gary Pinkel was on the hot seat with much more supporting his cause, I just can't see McIntyre rally support to keep his job.
From 1970 until 2003, thirty three years, Missouri was terrible. That's us.
For thirty years they had coaches that stayed between three and four years. None of them getting more than a 6-5 kind of blip. Lots of two and three win seasons sprinkled throughout.
In 2001 they hired Pinkel. In 2002 and 2003 he landed the #27 classes. He coached his way to a 2003 independence bowl appearance (L), missed a bowl the following year and then went on a 9 bowls in 10 years run. With the exception of those two 27 ranked classes that he got with his hire honeymoon, he's only cracked inside the top 30 twice, has never had a better than a 21, and routinely pulls classes in the 30s and even 40s. His recruiting average is rank is 34.4.
After regressing on the field in 2004, and watching recruiting classes continuing to slip lower (27, 27, 45, 38, 46), fans wanted him gone like his predecessors. Why did they keep him? Because over a ten year run as the head coach of Toledo, he had a .571 winning percentage, with an 11-0 in year 5. Because he coached his way to a bowl game with the same low grade talent that had been in shower-pissing in the MU locker room for thirty years.
What went right for Pinkel:
1 His resume at Toledo had the credibility needed to get those two #27 ranked classes
2 He had the coaching chops to elevate low talent to an above average cohesive team (that first independence bowl)
3 He knows what kind of player he wants and recruits consistently: rarely lower than 30 (unfortunately), but also never ever outside the top 50 (noteworthy)
4 He can still coach. Pinkel consistently gets his "34th" ranked players to finish higher in the standings.
All of this translates into concerns about MM.
1 He missed his recruiting bump that comes with a hire -this speaks to the true depth and quality of his professional resume.
2 He just lost a game that was slated as a win in the majority of bowl game scenarios. The verdict is still out on his ability to elevate talent.
3 Recruiting: if memory serves, this issue has been discussed inat least one other thread on the site.
4 unless something amazing happens in the remainder of the season, we will never get to "4."
I am not actively rooting for Mike McIntyre to fail. I do believe that the comparison above raises legitimate concerns, it opens the door for a firing. I don't think Mike McIntyre has the resume, has demonstrated superior set of coaching skills, or has the recruiting clout to hang onto his job. He won't get the years that they gave Gary at Missouri. In sum, I believe that is only chance of keeping the Colorado job is to find a way to win all the rest of the out of conference games, and three if not for conference games. Anything short of that, and considering that Gary Pinkel was on the hot seat with much more supporting his cause, I just can't see McIntyre rally support to keep his job.
