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Sefo and Lindgren Cause of CUs Misery

DiggerBuffs

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While the defense has been gashed and given up big yards, over the past two years, they have kept CU in games but faltered late due to completely inept play calling and/or execution by Sefo.

Lindgren and Sefo are equally to blame from bad play calling to bad execution. I looked back at CU's 10 winnable games in the last two years and came up with these items starting from recent to past:

'15 Arizona-Buffs go 5 straight series of Punts of 6 plays or less after going up 24-17 early in the 3rd
'15 Oregon-4 Punts and a Fumble when CU has the chance to put pressure on Ducks
'15 Hawaii-Start the game with 4 Punts, INT and a fumble. To end game, we get fumble, FG, Downs, 4 Punts and Downs to end the game
'14 Utah-INT for Pick 6 and 3 Punts to end the game
'14 Zona-2 Punts and 2 Fumbles after opening TD. 3 Punts, Int and Downs to End game
'14 Washington-Fumble, INT, Fumble, 3 Punts and Downs to End Game (7 series of no scores)
'14 UCLA-Started game w/ 5 Punts and INT, Start 2nd half w/ 3 Punts. How we went into OT is beyond me!
Ommitted due to not being on offense but '14 CAL-Late TD by Sefo hurt when we could have kept pressure instead of playing catch-up. But again omitted
'14 OSU-Punt, Downs, Int, Downs in critical juncture
'14 ASU- 3 Punts and Int to start game, 3 Downs and Interception out of last 5 drives
'14 CSU-3 Punts and Downs to End Game
 
I mean, maybe, but when you regularly give up 30+ points per game, it's hard to give the defense a pass.
 
DiggerBuffs said:
While the defense has been gashed and given up big yards, over the past two years, they have kept CU in games but faltered late due to completely inept play calling and/or execution by Sefo.

Lindgren and Sefo are equally to blame from bad play calling to bad execution. I looked back at CU's 10 winnable games in the last two years and came up with these items starting from recent to past:

'15 Arizona-Buffs go 5 straight series of Punts of 6 plays or less after going up 24-17 early in the 3rd
'15 Oregon-4 Punts and a Fumble when CU has the chance to put pressure on Ducks
'15 Hawaii-Start the game with 4 Punts, INT and a fumble. To end game, we get fumble, FG, Downs, 4 Punts and Downs to end the game
'14 Utah-INT for Pick 6 and 3 Punts to end the game
'14 Zona-2 Punts and 2 Fumbles after opening TD. 3 Punts, Int and Downs to End game
'14 Washington-Fumble, INT, Fumble, 3 Punts and Downs to End Game (7 series of no scores)
'14 UCLA-Started game w/ 5 Punts and INT, Start 2nd half w/ 3 Punts. How we went into OT is beyond me!
Ommitted due to not being on offense but '14 CAL-Late TD by Sefo hurt when we could have kept pressure instead of playing catch-up. But again omitted
'14 OSU-Punt, Downs, Int, Downs in critical juncture
'14 ASU- 3 Punts and Int to start game, 3 Downs and Interception out of last 5 drives
'14 CSU-3 Punts and Downs to End Game
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Could you be farther off base? You really wasted your time pulling those misleading factoids out. How about the defense allow Arizona 2 90+yard drives to put us behind by 7 or giving up 300 yards per game rushing.

Sefo and Lindgren are not perfect by a long shot but in many of the losses the defense and special teams have had a hand in the outcome. To lay the blame solely on them is beyond ridiculous.
 
Darth Snow said:
Umm, I disagree with your one sided analysis.
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Alfred91 said:
I mean, maybe, but when you regularly give up 30+ points per game, it's hard to give the defense a pass.
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Of course, the apologists for Sefo run rampant. My point is this:
If the offense gets a score instead of turning the ball back over to the opponent, it puts pressure on the opposition to do something other than run out the clock. The offense was inept for 5 series and it cost us the game. The defense answered the bell and finally were knocked out because the offense had no punch.

CU is like a good boxer that can score and hit you a few times and are even on the cards after round 8, but they stop when they have a chance to knock someone out and end up losing the next 3 rounds but close with some punch and finish losing 7-5.
 
BlackNGold said:
Could you be farther off base? You really wasted your time pulling those misleading factoids out. How about the defense allow Arizona 2 90+yard drives to put us behind by 7 or giving up 300 yards per game rushing.

Sefo and Lindgren are not perfect by a long shot but in many of the losses the defense and special teams have had a hand in the outcome. To lay the blame solely on them is beyond ridiculous.
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Farther off base? The offense got up by 7, the defense held Arizona to 3 consecutive punts, the offense did nothing. Game tied, offense punts again. Down 7. Offense does nothing. Down 14. The offense has not stepped up repeatedly. Please keep apologizing for Lindgren and Sefo though.
 
Your opinion seems uninformed because it appears to deliberately ignore valid information. Feel free to rant about it though.
 
I'm sure having the a defense that ranked 113th in yards allowed/game and 120th in points against last year had nothing to do with CU's misery?
 
BlackNGold said:
Could you be farther off base? You really wasted your time pulling those misleading factoids out. How about the defense allow Arizona 2 90+yard drives to put us behind by 7 or giving up 300 yards per game rushing.

Sefo and Lindgren are not perfect by a long shot but in many of the losses the defense and special teams have had a hand in the outcome. To lay the blame solely on them is beyond ridiculous.
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Basically my point in one of the other 10 threads in which we discuss this. We really needed that 2 score lead and couldn't produce it. But it came down to allowing back to back 90 yard drives from AZ.
 
Not only that, but I hear Sefo is responsible for the frozen envelope in the 1985 NBA Draft Lottery.
 
Darth Snow said:
Your opinion seems uninformed because it appears to deliberately ignore valid information. Feel free to rant about it though.
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I presented VALID INFORMATION and fact that the offense has been inept and given the defense no room to breathe and pin their ears back and play with a real lead. I kept going, this game is going to be lost because we can't get a comfortable lead ever and sure as **** and **** it did.

This isn't the Broncos D. This is an average D that has created turnovers and made stops at key times and the offense falls asleep. Maybe not as much last year, but still there were games the D made a stop to keep the game tied or within a score and the offense **** the bed. Please see the Utah game for Valid information and fact. Not just a rant that is aided by continually giving a free pass to the side of the ball that has to be better to win ****ing games.
 
Your information is valid, but it's like looking at a small piece of a book and then ignoring the rest. It's incomplete and therefore your analysis (what there is of it) is flawed. As a result, I disagree with your conclusions.
 
Darth Snow said:
Your information is valid, but it's like looking at a small piece of a book and then ignoring the rest. It's incomplete and therefore your analysis (what there is of it) is flawed. As a result, I disagree with your conclusions.
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The defense had to make another stop, I will agree but this offense is inept for long stretches and that lies in the wheel house of Lindgren and Sefo and the overseer of them all, Mike MacIntyre. No Excuses. Beat Oregon State or else!
 
Sefo has cut down a lot on the turnovers this year, especially the killer turnover that turn into easy scores for the opponent.

I have no way to prove it but I think in the past a lot of those have come from Sefo knowing that the Defense was going to give up a ton of points and if the offense didn't keep up the game was lost. He tried to force plays and make things happen instead of taking what was available and punting if it wasn't there.

This season looks like a change of thought process but habits die hard. I wonder how much Sefo is thinking "Should I throw it or should I hold it." on plays. As fast as the game is if you hesitate you no longer have the option, the play is dead.

Lots of blame to put on Sefo but where did those habits and decisions come from. Again the reason I don't want to see Montez until he is ready for the pressure and we can support him enough to give him some success.
 
Sefo played his best game of the year against Arizona. He did miss some open receivers and still holds onto the ball too long, but every QB, except for the elite ones, have this issue. You could make a case for a lot of other games this year about Sefo, but not the Arizona game, IMO.

The play calling can definitely be questioned, especially going away from the running game.
 
SerenityBuff said:
We suck. The offense sucks, the defense sucks, the special teams suck, the coaches suck, the fans suck. The only one who doesn't suck is Ralphie. We may suck less than we used to, but we still suck.
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I don't.


I'm Good Enough, I'm Smart Enough, and Doggone It, People Like Me!
 
Sefo has cut down on the untimely turnovers - because he has cut down on doing ANYTHING. He is so afraid to try when the game matters that he turtles.

Add in the OC who can't call plays that even stand a chance, nor will he, I know it's complicated, TRY SOMETHING DIFFERENT when the normal isn't working.

STOP the idiotic RB rotation. STOP running Powell on end arounds. STOP throwing every pass under 5 yds once you have the lead.

DO throw to the TE. I mean, you know, more than ONCE PER GAME.

DO throw the ball deep. Maybe even try completing more than 1 per game.

DO try another QB. I don't care if Sefo is the next Detmer (hint: he's not) - when he bogs down 4 drives in a row, guess what's coming in drive 5? Put him back in after, but for Christ's sake TRY SOMETHING ELSE.
 
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One of my favorite criticisms I see is when people get mad at Sefo for constantly missing (as in not seeing) wide open receivers and then at the same time getting mad at Lindgren for poor play calling.
 
The defense has improved alot-the number of takeaways is much higher, and points allowed as well. Does shutting out Nicholls make them at (27 ppg if my math is correct) look better than they are? Yes, but even if you take that game out, you're still looking at a unit giving up 32 a game, which was where most thought they needed to be going into the season for the team to take a step forward, assuming the offense is where it was last year.

That said, the problems with the offense go beyond bad play calling or poor QB play-Injuries have hindered the growth of the offensive line, and I flat out think Gary Bernardi isn't a very good coach. If you want exhibit A for my argument, watch the Hawaii game over again-they were getting to Sefo with 3 man rushes. The fact that Apsay/Gehrke especially didn't push Liufau in camp tells me this staff (and his primary recruiter Brian Lindgren especially) either doesn't judge talent well enough or can't close (Anu Solomon had an offer from CU). When I read about recruiting, I want to know who we're beating out to get the kids that we do-Apsay had offers from Arizona and two Big Sky schools (Eastern Washington and Northern Colorado IIRC), Gehrke (His rivals page doesn't list a primary recruiter-but given that Lindgren's name shows up on the pages of both Apsay and Montez.....seems like a safe bet to say he was the primary there, too) had an offer from Weber State, and Montez (who has been talked up on here by some) had offers from the likes of Air Force, New Mexico State, and UTEP. Its pretty hard to be successful in this conference when you're competing for quarterbacks with the likes of Northern Colorado and Weber State, don't you think?
 
stop looking at our soft as charmin OOC schedule. Look at what's happened when the real games started. No change except for turnovers. Which is significant, but not enough to change. Our D is still really bad.
 
Darth Snow said:
stop looking at our soft as charmin OOC schedule. Look at what's happened when the real games started. No change except for turnovers. Which is significant, but not enough to change. Our D is still really bad.
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Biggest problem is the 3rd-4th Quarter. Defense played well enough to beat Hawaii. Defense kept offense in game against Arizona. Oregon as well.

Problem is this staff has major issues preparing and adjusting 2nd half. Every competitive game we have played the last two years, the offense falls asleep in the 3rd quarter other than UCLA comeback. Look at last two years. Offensive yards and PPG (just conference since that is main issue) drops significantly. Saturday was the pinnacle of that all after that first drive. No drives sustained.

I will say the defense has been much better at keeping the team in it (ASU game was a cluster on ALL fronts) and get buried in the 4th. Defense makes key stops, offense needs to score after those and not punt. That is my main gripe.

And Sefo and Lindgren both have blame for Saturday. Lindgren put Sefo in some bad situations but even in those bad situations Sefo missed good opportunities to sustain or get a drive going.

Must get a win Saturday or #MontezIn2016 and #FireLindgren signs will be out for Stanford and USC games.
 
ahoelsken said:
The defense has improved alot-the number of takeaways is much higher, and points allowed as well. Does shutting out Nicholls make them at (27 ppg if my math is correct) look better than they are? Yes, but even if you take that game out, you're still looking at a unit giving up 32 a game, which was where most thought they needed to be going into the season for the team to take a step forward, assuming the offense is where it was last year.

That said, the problems with the offense go beyond bad play calling or poor QB play-Injuries have hindered the growth of the offensive line, and I flat out think Gary Bernardi isn't a very good coach. If you want exhibit A for my argument, watch the Hawaii game over again-they were getting to Sefo with 3 man rushes. The fact that Apsay/Gehrke especially didn't push Liufau in camp tells me this staff (and his primary recruiter Brian Lindgren especially) either doesn't judge talent well enough or can't close (Anu Solomon had an offer from CU). When I read about recruiting, I want to know who we're beating out to get the kids that we do-Apsay had offers from Arizona and two Big Sky schools (Eastern Washington and Northern Colorado IIRC), Gehrke (His rivals page doesn't list a primary recruiter-but given that Lindgren's name shows up on the pages of both Apsay and Montez.....seems like a safe bet to say he was the primary there, too) had an offer from Weber State, and Montez (who has been talked up on here by some) had offers from the likes of Air Force, New Mexico State, and UTEP. Its pretty hard to be successful in this conference when you're competing for quarterbacks with the likes of Northern Colorado and Weber State, don't you think?
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One thing here is once a kid, especially a QB, accepts an offer/commits Rivals kind of lets up on trying to get info on who has offered.

Another issue is once a school has the commit they want they don't offer other QBs.

Last issue is if a school has a frosh starter like Cal, UCLA and CU have done, they don't get a stud recruit. Look at Oregon, they are hurting because they started Mariota for 3 years and another stud didn't want to wait.

But I also agree that we must recruit better at QB and get that stud. CUs best QB in past 15 years was Klatt and he was just average.
 
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