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Shedeur Sanders - 2023-25 Tracking History Thread

Sadly the Raiders need Shedeur pretty badly for obviously QB play, but also a franchise spark. Would almost put good odds on them getting him.
 
4BienemyTDs said:
Sadly the Raiders need Shedeur pretty badly for obviously QB play, but also a franchise spark. Would almost put good odds on them getting him.
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Was thinking the same thing watching the Raiders- Broncos game. Don't know if they will be good at developing him or not. He will have Brock Bowers to throw to.
 
We get so spoiled watching Shedeur.

When I watch other college games, every play is an adventure on whether the QB will make the right decision or throw an accurate ball. The only thing that keeps interceptions down is how often they mess up in both of these areas on the same play.
 
Buffnik said:
We get so spoiled watching Shedeur.

When I watch other college games, every play is an adventure on whether the QB will make the right decision or throw an accurate ball. The only thing that keeps interceptions down is how often they mess up in both of these areas on the same play.
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People don't realize how critical elite pre and post snap reads is till you don't have it
 
Buffnik said:
We get so spoiled watching Shedeur.

When I watch other college games, every play is an adventure on whether the QB will make the right decision or throw an accurate ball. The only thing that keeps interceptions down is how often they mess up in both of these areas on the same play.
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I watched games after the Buffs game, and it was a complete night and day difference. JuJu has some big cleats to fill. Hopefully he’ll get to sit in with 2 and take notes and be inspired.
 
JMBuffs said:
I've taken for granted that Cam Ward seems to be having an incredible season, considering all the Heisman talk, but I just looked and Shedeur's numbers are better than Cam's across the board. Hopefully 2 gets an invite to the Heisman ceremony.
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I doubt he does. If I had to guess it’s just Travis, Jeanty and Cam. Shedeur isn’t even being mentioned by anyone as in the running
 
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Welcome to the SS2 archives

Week 1 - TCU Game - 45-42 - CU wins - 1-0













If you don't know who's his best comp, here's a hint:

https://twitter.com/SavageSports_/status/1698065157409136961

Here are all of my reports on Sanders on AllBuffs:

Prime Expectations

Lower ceiling than MM huh? Interesting take Fine. 10. I forgot about that extreme outlier. It’s possible all the bounces could go one way. I don’t expect it before Sanders moves on. challenging for PAC championships much less National champs. You need to recruit successfully against the top...
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CU has rejoined the Big 12 and broken college football - talking out asses continues

I literally meant to use literally. Which makes me hate you even more.
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Prime Expectations

Coleman as WR1? Coleman as Slot1 Hunter as WR1
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Barzil takes I posted:

Why Coach Lewis jumped at the opportunity to coach Shedeur - https://www.allbuffs.com/threads/barzil-recruit-thread-2024-lfg-edition.153924/post-3407761



Deeper dive: https://www.allbuffs.com/threads/barzil-recruit-thread-2024-lfg-edition.153924/post-3407893



Follow up - https://www.allbuffs.com/threads/barzil-recruit-thread-2024-lfg-edition.153924/post-3408093




Current take:

I only have the TCU game in the queue but he looks better than last year from a footwork stance and an athleticism stance. Wasn't his best passing game, I've seen better but he did a great job as usual of getting the OL into the right looks and he didn't really put the ball in harm's way once. That said, his WRs now have very good football IQ so he's not playing with lower IQ players anymore or relying on guys with lesser talent.

He's just on a superior team to what he had at JSU but he's improved visibly in several areas. Athleticism and footwork technique are the obvious thus far. Arm strength and strength in general look a lot better as well. He took a massive jump athletically. Almost forgot, that his game management was elite as well. He didn't have to do this much at JSU but he did today due to the defense and he did it as well as anyone. This is where the Brady comps are real. That's probably the biggest gain of the day, his game-managing skills.
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Nothing really changed in his comp other than that he's polished now.

Still Goff, Brady, and Burrow with athletic charts similar to Clayton Tune. His size is not optimal like these guys are but he's elusive in the pocket and can throw extremely well on the run that should temper the game manager questions if he's good enough. He has a lot of work to do as a game manager. Mainly in terms of playaction, taking what the defense gives you on a more consistent basis and just being willing to accept a play is dead from the start and throw it away. Sometimes you can't check into a great play. Sometimes the defense just got you.

His impact comp at this stage is Matt Ryan. Matt was an elite game manager as a prospect who's good at pocket passing but nothing worthy of getting drafted for it. He needed to vastly improve his body and his athleticism which he did for just one damn season and won MVP doing it. Shedeur is an elite pocket passer prospect who's good at game managing but nothing worthy of drafting him for it and he's good at mobile QBing when throwing on the run.

His foot speed in the pocket is critical and his in the pocket elusiveness is like an ole savvy Bunny compared to someone like Michael Vick who was like a young unaware but insane twitchy bunny who can move as soon as you pull up on him whereas Sanders much slower can sense you coming like Jokic on the Basketball court.

Sanders is currently for me, the 2nd greatest QB prospect this century only behind Andrew Luck and he's tied at 2 with Matt Ryan. Both have insane floors but questionable ceilings. It's on them if either want to be great. They without question will be very good for their entire career.

Shedeur best strengths:
1. Moxy and toughness - Brady like
2. Football IQ - Elite pre snap and post snap read
3. Foot speed in the pocket - Critical for a pocket passer. He's elite
4. Precision passer - He's that plus he also protects his WR and puts the ball in safe spots. This is most critical to his teammates.
5. Elusiveness- Elite elusiveness in the pocket.

Shedeur biggest working areas
1. Playaction - It's below average. By far his worst quality. Has to improve. While he's good enough to get away with it, if he ever wants to be a MVP, he had to fix this.
2. Size- He's just not that big. 6'2 208 isn't great. This just enough though.
3. Improvising- While it Sometimes looks amazing when it works, there is plenty of times it does. While this isn't an weakness, this is a negative in his game when it goes wrong.
4. Throwing motion - Too top down, would like to see more set motion which would prevent some of the balls that die on him pass 40 yards. Not talking about the ones he's getting hit delivering it. Those don't bother me much.
5. Drifting too much - This wasn't an issue at Jackson but it's been one to a degree at CU. He can obviously fix this on the next level. At JSU, the issue was he wouldn't move when he got the ball in the pocket. He vastly improve that as he had no choice due to the OL.

There are a lot more strengths and important areas but most I think are correctable or good to have, nit great to have.

For this class, he's player 3.

1. Hunter
2. Will Johnson
3. Shedeur
4. Jeanty
5. Starks
 
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#1 pick said:
Nothing really changed in his comp other than that he's polished now.

Still Goff, Brady, and Burrow with athletic charts similar to Clayton Tune. His size is not optimal like these guys are but he's elusive in the pocket and can throw extremely well on the run that should temper the game manager questions if he's good enough. He has a lot of work to do as a game manager. Mainly in terms of playaction, taking what the defense gives you on a more consistent basis and just being willing to accept a play is dead from the start and throw it away. Sometimes you can't check into a great play. Sometimes the defense just got you.

His impact comp at this stage is Matt Ryan. Matt was an elite game manager as a prospect who's good at pocket passing but nothing worthy of getting drafted for it. He needed to vastly improve his body and his athleticism which he did for just one damn season and won MVP doing it. Shedeur is an elite pocket passer prospect who's good at game managing but nothing worthy of drafting him for it and he's good at mobile QBing when throwing on the run.

His foot speed in the pocket is critical and his in the pocket elusive is like a ole savvy Bunny compared to Michael Vick who was like young unaware but insane twitch bunny who can move as soon as you put up on him whereas Sanders much slower can sense you coming like Jokic on the Basketball court.

Sanders is currently for me, the 2nd greatest QB prospect this century only behind Andrew Luck and he's tied at 2 with Matt Ryan. Both have insane floors but questionable ceilings. It's on them if either want to be great. They without question will be very good for their entire career.

Shedeur best strengths:
1. Moxy and toughness - Brady like
2. Football IQ - Elite pre snap and post snap read
3. Foot speed in the pocket - Critical for a pocket passer. He's elite
4. Precision passer - He's that plus he also protects his WR and puts the ball in safe spots. This is most critical to his teammates.
5. Elusiveness- Elite elusiveness in the pocket.

Shedeur biggest working areas
1. Playaction - It's below average. By far his worst quality. Has to improve. While he's good enough to get away with it, if he ever wants to be a MVP, he had to fix this.
2. Size- He's just not that big. 6'2 208 isn't great. This just enough though.
3. Improvising- While it Sometimes looks amazing when it works, there is plenty of times it does. While this isn't an weakness, this is a negative in his game when it goes wrong.
4. Throwing motion - Too top down, would like to see more set motion which would prevent some of the balls that die on him pass 40 yards. Not talking about the ones he's getting hit delivering it. Those don't bother me much.
5. Drifting too much - This wasn't an issue at Jackson but it's been one to a degree at CU. He can obviously fix this on the next level. At JSU, the issue was he wouldn't move when he got the ball in the pocket. He vastly improve that as he had no choice due to the OL.

There are a lot more strengths and important areas but most I think are correctable or good to have, nit great to have.

For this class, he's player 3.

1. Hunter
2. Will Johnson
3. Shedeur
4. Jeanty
5. Starks
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If you want the AI edited verison to read
Shedeur Sanders' game hasn't fundamentally changed, but it’s more refined and polished now. He still compares to quarterbacks like Jared Goff, Tom Brady, and Joe Burrow, with athletic traits akin to Clayton Tune. While his size (6'2", 208 lbs) isn't ideal compared to these players, his pocket elusiveness and ability to throw accurately on the run help offset concerns about his stature. These traits should ease doubts about his ability to transcend a "game manager" label, though he still has work to do in that area.

### Strengths and Areas for Improvement

**Strengths:**
1. **Moxie and Toughness**: Exhibits a Brady-like resilience and leadership on the field.
2. **Football IQ**: Displays elite pre-snap and post-snap processing, consistently reading defenses at a high level.
3. **Pocket Mobility**: Demonstrates exceptional footwork and pocket elusiveness, critical for a pocket passer.
4. **Precision Passing**: Protects his receivers by placing the ball in safe, advantageous spots.
5. **Elusiveness**: Exceptional at evading pressure within the pocket.

**Areas for Improvement:**
1. **Play Action**: His execution here is subpar and must improve if he wants to reach MVP-caliber levels.
2. **Size**: While 6'2", 208 lbs is adequate, it’s not ideal for an NFL quarterback.
3. **Improvisation**: Though impressive when successful, his improvisation can lead to costly mistakes.
4. **Throwing Mechanics**: His top-down motion limits velocity on deep throws beyond 40 yards, especially under pressure.
5. **Pocket Discipline**: At Colorado, he’s occasionally drifting unnecessarily. While this shows growth compared to his time at Jackson State (where he was too stationary), it’s an area that needs refinement.

### Comparisons and Ceiling
At this stage, Shedeur's closest comp is Matt Ryan, who entered the league as an elite game manager with strong pocket-passing skills but required significant athletic and physical improvement. Like Ryan, Shedeur has an incredibly high floor but a ceiling that depends on his ability to develop further. His mobility in the pocket is comparable to a savvy veteran, relying on awareness rather than explosiveness.

Shedeur’s current projection places him as the second-best quarterback prospect of the century, tied with Matt Ryan and just behind Andrew Luck. While both Sanders and Ryan have the tools to be very good throughout their careers, their greatness will depend on how much they push their development.

### Key Traits
1. **Best Strengths**:
- Toughness and leadership
- Elite football IQ
- Exceptional precision and placement
- Critical foot speed and elusiveness in the pocket

2. **Biggest Development Needs**:
- Play-action consistency
- Continued growth in improvisation
- Refinement of throwing mechanics and pocket discipline

### Ranking in the Class
For this draft class, Shedeur ranks third:
1. Travis Hunter
2. Will Johnson
3. Shedeur Sanders
4. Ashton Jeanty
5. Malaki Starks

Shedeur has the potential to be an elite quarterback, but his success will depend on addressing his areas of growth and capitalizing on his natural strengths.
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JMBuffs said:
I've taken for granted that Cam Ward seems to be having an incredible season, considering all the Heisman talk, but I just looked and Shedeur's numbers are better than Cam's across the board. Hopefully 2 gets an invite to the Heisman ceremony.
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It’s kind of ridiculous
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