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Shedeur Sanders - 2023-25 Tracking History Thread

Call me crazy but Shedeur is going 1st, 2nd or 3rd overall and the teams will be Las Vegas Raiders, San Francisco 49ers, New York Jets, New Orleans Saints or the Dallas Cowboys. Ward will be in that mix too.

I don't see New England keeping the pick. Getting another 1st will be their priority. The Giants ain't getting him.
 
#1 pick said:
Call me crazy but Shedeur is going 1st, 2nd or 3rd overall and the teams will be Las Vegas Raiders, San Francisco 49ers, New York Jets, New Orleans Saints or the Dallas Cowboys. Ward will be in that mix too.

I don't see New England keeping the pick. Getting another 1st will be their priority. The Giants ain't getting him.
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Yeah, if New England ends up with #1 they sell to the highest bidder of those teams.

It will come down to which front office falls in the love the hardest with Cam or Shedeur.
 
Robert Sorell said:
Yeah, if New England ends up with #1 they sell to the highest bidder of those teams.

It will come down to which front office falls in the love the hardest with Cam or Shedeur.
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People can hate right now but once these coaches see the film, watch Shedeur shoot up the board. While I may question 2s upside, I truly believe he's a day 1 franchise QB and those are HARD to find. Miami and St. Louis still wish they didn't pass on Matt Ryan.
 
#1 pick said:
People can hate right now but once these coaches see the film, watch Shedeur shoot up the board. While I may question 2s upside, I truly believe he's a day 1 franchise QB and those are HARD to find. Miami and St. Louis still wish they didn't pass on Matt Ryan.
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Mel Kiper has him #2 on his board, the other dude everyone quotes (I forget his name) has him #3. I don't think anyone who knows anything is hating on him.
 
Robert Sorell said:
Yeah, if New England ends up with #1 they sell to the highest bidder of those teams.

It will come down to which front office falls in the love the hardest with Cam or Shedeur.
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Cam going to get love for his improv skills and he's a stat. I still don't see Cam as someone that's going higher than Shedeur. I know everyone is their own person but I just don't see how you pass on an elite pocket passer. I just don't see it. I understand Ward is balanced QB which is the style of QB everyone wants these days but man, if your team isn't stacked, he's not going to carry you but he will put up numbers if he has a squad around him.

Teams love QBs who can run an offense efficiently, make all the throws and play within structure.

I am so happy the Giants aren't getting Shedeur. I really want him to go to the 49ers. Sign Kirk Cousins to be the bridge. Use the 1st you got for Purdy to land Shedeur.
 
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Cam going to get love for his improv skills and he's a stat. I still don't see Cam as someone that's going higher than Shedeur. I know everyone is their own person but I just don't see how you pass on an elite pocket passer. I just don't see it. I understand Ward is balanced QB which is the style of QB everyone wants these days but man, if your team isn't stacked, he's not going to carry you but he will put up numbers if he has a squad around him.

Teams love QBs who can run an offense efficiently, make all the throws and play within structure.

I am so happy the Giants aren't getting Shedeur. I really want him to go to the 49ers. Sign Kirk Cousins to be the bridge. Use the 1st you got for Purdy to land Shedeur.
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I don't get that one. Shedeur would be a poor fit on the 49ers.
 
Duff Man said:
I don't get that one. Shedeur would be a poor fit on the 49ers.
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I love him in Shanny WCO scheme. On top of that, I would love if he had a QB like Kirk Cousins in front of him as well. As I've said with Penix, just because you can play day 1, doesn't mean it's the best situation for you long term.

Jets, Saints, 49ers, and Cowboys, you don't have to rush him. Even if Cousins falls apart like a gingerbread man, give Shedeur 10 games to sit and learn, I love it for it.

Teams like the Raiders, Giants, and Titans. Are they really good for Shedeur long term? I don't believe they are. I like a team with weapons, vets, a proven NFL QB in front of Sanders. Just give him the best chance to be great.

Do I believe he's a fit for Shanny scheme. It's like Matt Ryan for me, year 1, no. Year 2, 100%. I want him somewhere i know that's going to push him to be the best verison of himself.
 
#1 pick said:
I love him in Shanny WCO scheme. On top of that, I would love if he had a QB like Kirk Cousins in front of him as well. As I've said with Penix, just because you can play day 1, doesn't mean it's the best situation for you long term.

Jets, Saints, 49ers, and Cowboys, you don't have to rush him. Even if Cousins falls apart like a gingerbread man, give Shedeur 10 games to sit and learn, I love it for it.

Teams like the Raiders, Giants, and Titans. Are they really good for Shedeur long term? I don't believe they are. I like a team with weapons, vets, a proven NFL QB in front of Sanders. Just give him the best chance to be great.
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It seems as if the really good franchises (not just saying teams, I think there is a culture that successful franchises have) have their systems but also are more than willing to adjust those systems to not only fit but to maximize the impact of the talent they have.

Put Shedeur in San Francisco with Shanahan as his coach and Lynch as GM you would quickly see them adjust to make him as successful as possible.

They would do things they wouldn't try with Purdy, and drop some things that are a better fit for Purdy.
 
Duff Man said:
You need natural mobility in the Shanny WCO.
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Matt Ryan exemplifies that quarterbacks only need enough mobility to throw effectively on the run in Mike's system. His development in his second year with Kyle Shanahan was remarkable—I've been watching every Falcons game since 1991, and I’ve never seen a QB improve so much in one season. Initially, I thought Ryan had a capped ceiling, but his transformation came from a noticeable improvement in athleticism, something absent in prior years.

For Shedeur, I’d like to see him focus on mastering the play-action game. Instead of struggling with poorly executed RPOs, he could excel by becoming a true play-action quarterback, similar to how Kirk Cousins thrived under Shanahan in Washington. That's on him to improve in that skill.
 
Buffnik said:
Lots of versions of WCO these days. Every NFL offense is based on WCO, but there are so many variants and they're so far from the original playbook that I don't know if it means anything as a descriptor for an offense.
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Play action is commonality
Why we never saw it once in 2-years is mind boggling
 
4BienemyTDs said:
Play action is commonality
Why we never saw it once in 2-years is mind boggling
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I noticed quite a few challenges at Jackson State, and some of the "bad stuff" didn’t carry over to Colorado, which is a good thing. It’s clear the focus now is on maximizing production rather than trying to develop every aspect of the game at once. They’ve tailored the scheme to highlight Shedeur’s strengths, which is similar to what’s happening on defense under Livingston—playing to their own style rather than mimicking another team like the Bengals.

At Jackson State, there was more power, play-action, and under-center snaps, and honestly, Shedeur excelled in those situations (snaps under center). I still don’t understand why they moved away from it because he was arguably better under center than in the shotgun. At JSU, it wasn’t a true Air Raid system—it was more of a "Shedeur Raid," blending pro concepts with Air Raid elements. We even added choice routes, which weren’t part of the offense under Phillips when he was the OC. It was a unique system that really played to Shedeur’s strengths.

Some people joke about it but this is a scheme that's build around what Shedeur likes. It's not Pat's scheme but I don't believe we will ever see Pat's scheme at this level. Look at Rob, that's not the Bengals' scheme.
 
#1 pick said:
I noticed quite a few challenges at Jackson State, and some of the "bad stuff" didn’t carry over to Colorado, which is a good thing. It’s clear the focus now is on maximizing production rather than trying to develop every aspect of the game at once. They’ve tailored the scheme to highlight Shedeur’s strengths, which is similar to what’s happening on defense under Livingston—playing to their own style rather than mimicking another team like the Bengals.

At Jackson State, there was more power, play-action, and under-center snaps, and honestly, Shedeur excelled in those situations (snaps under center). I still don’t understand why they moved away from it because he was arguably better under center than in the shotgun. At JSU, it wasn’t a true Air Raid system—it was more of a "Shedeur Raid," blending pro concepts with Air Raid elements. We even added choice routes, which weren’t part of the offense under Phillips when he was the OC. It was a unique system that really played to Shedeur’s strengths.

Some people joke about it but this is a scheme that's build around what Shedeur likes. It's not Pat's scheme but I don't believe we will ever see Pat's scheme at this level. Look at Rob, that's not the Bengals' scheme.
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So #1, was it really in Shedeur's benefit to play at Jackson State?

Was the competition helpful, or did it give him too much confidence to hold the ball too long and be "sloppy" on his core skills?

Is his QB coach, who also coaches Cam Ward, a good QB coach overall?

Oh by the way, Ward is as talented at slinging it around as Shedeur, but also got Miami into a lot of these crazy games. Stats are deceptive when fully in context.
 
4BienemyTDs said:
So #1, was it really in Shedeur's benefit to play at Jackson State?

Was the competition helpful, or did it give him too much confidence to hold the ball too long and be "sloppy" on his core skills?

Is his QB coach, who also coaches Cam Ward, a good QB coach overall?

Oh by the way, Ward is as talented at slinging it around as Shedeur, but also got Miami into a lot of these crazy games. Stats are deceptive when fully in context.
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The coaching level and some players while in the SWAC were still quite decent, the talent drop-off at certain positions was much more pronounced, especially in the trenches. This limited how complex the schemes could be. That said, Shedeur Sanders needed that environment early in his career because, as a true freshman, he wasn’t close to the player we see today. Back then, at 218 pounds, he moved like a Snorlax. His footwork within the pocket and pocket elusiveness were good as usual, but he lacked athleticism to an extreme degree. I even compared him to a less polished Bailey Zappe, who was lighting up the G5 at the time for Western Kentucky. The SWAC was the perfect place for him as a freshman, but by his sophomore year, he took a massive leap and looked ready to dominate even at the P5 level.

Mentally, Shedeur was far ahead of not just the SWAC competition but even his own teammates, and you could see his frustration when they weren’t on the same page in his sophomore year. When I brought this up to Jackson State supporters, they dismissed it, often citing Steve McNair. But McNair, even as a senior, was raw mentally compared to Shedeur. McNair’s strength came from his incredible physical and skill level, which were elite even by P4 standards. While some try to compare Cam Ward to McNair, the athletic gap between them is significant. As for Shedeur, his sophomore year was a turning point, especially after Mo Sims helped him drop 20 pounds. That year, he showed surprising athleticism for what you’d expect from him, similar to what we saw last year as a junior.

Regarding the criticism that Shedeur holds the ball too long—it's not entirely fair. The offense calls for a lot of long-developing plays with high payoff potential but significant risk, which naturally increases the likelihood of sacks. Shedeur thrives in those situations because he loves reading the defense, finding gaps, and dissecting it. His approach is cerebral, almost like Peyton Manning’s. That said, any NFL team drafting him will need to use more 11 and 12 personnel. At Jackson State, they used these formations more often, though the talent at WR wasn't much, it was good compared to other SWAC teams. For example, Hunter didn’t play much on offense as a freshman, and while Mikey was a solid target last year, no one respected him as a blocker. The offensive line, TEs, and RBs in Shedeur’s second year at JSU were much better relative to the competition, which made a big difference.

In terms of passing talent, Cam is exceptional. It's Shedeur's ability to read coverages, make decisions, process information quickly, and deliver accurate throws is on another level compared to Ward. Cam is an exceptional passing talent. solid arm talent, very good arm strength, tremendous at throwing from different arm slots. Ward has elite poise. His best trait is his poise, his pre snap reads in particular knowing what the defense is suppose to do and his improv skills. The player he most plays like is Kurt Warner even if he's potentially more gifted. Like Warner, he has that ability to wait till the every last second to give his WRs the ability to get open.

I honestly think, if I was the Jets, I would take Ward considering I have Wilson and Adams with Hall.
 
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The coaching level and some players while in the SWAC were still quite decent, the talent drop-off at certain positions was much more pronounced, especially in the trenches. This limited how complex the schemes could be. That said, Shedeur Sanders needed that environment early in his career because, as a true freshman, he wasn’t close to the player we see today. Back then, at 218 pounds, he moved like a Snorlax. His footwork within the pocket and pocket elusiveness were good as usual, but he lacked athleticism to an extreme degree. I even compared him to a less polished Bailey Zappe, who was lighting up the G5 at the time for Western Kentucky. The SWAC was the perfect place for him as a freshman, but by his sophomore year, he took a massive leap and looked ready to dominate even at the P5 level.

Mentally, Shedeur was far ahead of not just the SWAC competition but even his own teammates, and you could see his frustration when they weren’t on the same page in his sophomore year. When I brought this up to Jackson State supporters, they dismissed it, often citing Steve McNair. But McNair, even as a senior, was raw mentally compared to Shedeur. McNair’s strength came from his incredible physical and skill level, which were elite even by P4 standards. While some try to compare Cam Ward to McNair, the athletic gap between them is significant. As for Shedeur, his sophomore year was a turning point, especially after Mo Sims helped him drop 20 pounds. That year, he showed surprising athleticism for what you’d expect from him, similar to what we saw last year as a junior.

Regarding the criticism that Shedeur holds the ball too long—it's not entirely fair. The offense calls for a lot of long-developing plays with high payoff potential but significant risk, which naturally increases the likelihood of sacks. Shedeur thrives in those situations because he loves reading the defense, finding gaps, and dissecting it. His approach is cerebral, almost like Peyton Manning’s. That said, any NFL team drafting him will need to use more 11 and 12 personnel. At Jackson State, they used these formations more often, though the talent at WR wasn't much, it was good compared to other SWAC teams. For example, Hunter didn’t play much on offense as a freshman, and while Mikey was a solid target last year, no one respected him as a blocker. The offensive line, TEs, and RBs in Shedeur’s second year at JSU were much better relative to the competition, which made a big difference.

In terms of passing talent, Cam is exceptional. It's Shedeur's ability to read coverages, make decisions, process information quickly, and deliver accurate throws is on another level compared to Ward. Cam is an exceptional passing talent. solid arm talent, very good arm strength, tremendous at throwing from different arm slots. Elite has elite poise. His best trait is his poise, his post snap reads, and his improv skills. The player he most plays like is Kurt Warner even if he's potentially more gifted.
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Great insight
I am rooting hard for him, I just wonder about all the meat left on the bone for his training, development, and competition.
BYU just exposed him and the Buffs like no other and the NFL is wayyy more crafty
it is why we get scores like 6-3 games
Wish he would spend time with Brady and Manning the next few months
 
slider said:
Some elite stuff from Shedeur

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1873805133945143536
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I was watching Teddy Bridgewater college tape and it amazed me how inaccurate he was even in college but I thought he was accurate at the time. There is a massive difference between throwing in the general area and being truly accurate.

I always had Shedeur highly ranked back when I spoke to scouts when he was at Jackson who said he would be nothing more than a 5th round pick. My personal opinion is he's 10x but the opposite of Tebow or Manizel. He's negative 10x. Prime is 10x too but he's positive 10x by his supporters in high places and negative by his naysayers. Shedeur, Shilo, and Travis are negative 10x. That said, they get love and respect from peers and their teammates.
 
#1 pick said:
I was watching Teddy Bridgewater college tape and it amazed me how inaccurate he was even in college but I thought he was accurate at the time. There is a massive difference between throwing in the general area and being truly accurate.

I always had Shedeur highly ranked back when I spoke to scouts when he was at Jackson who said he would be nothing more than a 5th round pick. My personal opinion is he's 10x but the opposite of Tebow or Manizel. He's negative 10x. Prime is 10x too but he's positive 10x by his supporters in high places and negative by his naysayers. Shedeur, Shilo, and Travis are negative 10x. That said, they get love and respect from peers and their teammates.
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I really hope Shedeur finds a great landing spot and becomes a successful QB for a long time.

In my completely amateur view, he’s elite at route processing, accuracy, and has great toughness.

Needs work on what to when his receivers are covered, his deep ball needs work, and has subpar speed and elusiveness.

I don’t watch the NFL really anymore, but if there’s a team that’s looking to build around him in a similar way to what Brady had in Nee England, he’d be really successful.
 
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