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Shedeur Sanders - 2023-25 Tracking History Thread

slider said:
11 scouts out of 20 have Shedeur as #1 and 9 have Ward at # 1

www.espn.com

Poll: Sanders, Ward peak as top QB draft options

Colorado's Shedeur Sanders and Miami's Cam Ward have separated themselves from the rest of the 2025 draft class for quarterbacks in a follow-up poll of scouts and executives.
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I'm a 'little' bias, but trying to be objective here, I cannot fathom a scenario where Ward is a better NFL prospect than Shedeur. Ward's ceiling comps to Baker Mayfield where as Shedeur's ceiling is Burrow. . . I don't get it?!?!
 
JMBuffs said:
I'm a 'little' bias, but trying to be objective here, I cannot fathom a scenario where Ward is a better NFL prospect than Shedeur. Ward's ceiling comps to Baker Mayfield where as Shedeur's ceiling is Burrow. . . I don't get it?!?!
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Most comps I’ve seen are Geno Smith. I think the concern is overall athleticism and not great arm strength. Burrow has a cannon compared to Shedeur
 
slider said:
Most comps I’ve seen are Geno Smith. I think the concern is overall athleticism and not great arm strength. Burrow has a cannon compared to Shedeur
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I feel like SS2 is way more accurate than Geno. But no one on the planet is as accurate as Joe Burrow right now. That dude is otherworldly.
 
Alfred91 said:
I feel like SS2 is way more accurate than Geno. But no one on the planet is as accurate as Joe Burrow right now. That dude is otherworldly.
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I think Slider was saying Geno Smith is the comp for Cam Ward
 
4BienemyTDs said:
On Shedeur's podcast with Junior they are talking about if Bucky will move or get a place wherever SS2 gets drafted and Bucky says that he will keep his house in Colorado (1:40) because "He will be doing the Filming for Dad and the School", but would likely just get a studio apartment wherever SS2 is.

The way he phrased that by using the term "School" felt a lot like his Media work will also be coming In-House so that they can pay him even more money, which is a good thing.

Revenue Sharing
NIL
Media

If Prime is going to be the Godfather of Colorado Football and has all his tentacles organized, with a big fat new Contract is all good for me.

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Bucky has earned his position, he isn't just there because of his dad.

The work he does compares favorably to other power conference schools. He is very good at his job.
 
MtnBuff said:
Bucky has earned his position, he isn't just there because of his dad.

The work he does compares favorably to other power conference schools. He is very good at his job.
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Totally, would love to see an even more robust media presence, all around blast. He is very talented, and I think they want to help all the players blossom with leadership and creativity
 
Who is Tom Pelissero, and why is he going around to everyone who will listen that SS2 isn't going to be a high draft pick?
 
Alfred91 said:
Who is Tom Pelissero, and why is he going around to everyone who will listen that SS2 isn't going to be a high draft pick?
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Because Shedeur and Travis are the players generating the most conversation about their draft position and if there are GMs out there who have a day two or three grade on him, that’s pretty noteworthy
 
The Alabaster Yak said:
Because Shedeur and Travis are the players generating the most conversation about their draft position and if there are GMs out there who have a day two or three grade on him, that’s pretty noteworthy
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Especially given Tom broke the Cowboys HC news. Jerruh clearly using the media to push Shedeur down the board and into their reach

It’s all over
 
I wouldn’t say it’s impossible scouts don’t all agree on Shedeur. He has his warts and he is not a modern QB. He’s not exactly mobile and in these days that is nearly a prerequisite to start in the NFL.

Take a look at the QB’s who led their teams to the playoffs

Jayden Daniels
Jalen Hurts
Josh Allen
Lamar Jackson
Russell Wilson
Bo Nix

Less of a threat but more mobile than Shedeur:
Baker Mayfield
CJ Stroud
Justin Herbert

The only true statues are Goff and Stafford
 
slider said:
I wouldn’t say it’s impossible scouts don’t all agree on Shedeur. He has his warts and he is not a modern QB. He’s not exactly mobile and in these days that is nearly a prerequisite to start in the NFL.

Take a look at the QB’s who led their teams to the playoffs

Jayden Daniels
Jalen Hurts
Josh Allen
Lamar Jackson
Russell Wilson
Bo Nix

Less of a threat but more mobile than Shedeur:
Baker Mayfield
CJ Stroud
Justin Herbert

The only true statues are Goff and Stafford
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Are we sure that Shedeur's mobility is an athleticism thing, or a preference thing? He seemed able to run when he committed to it, he just never seemed to want to do it.
 
Shedeur’s escapability in the pocket is much more helpful than being able to get 10 yards vs 20 on a scramble imo. He keeps plays alive incredibly well. The best QB in the league is also extremely good at magically twisting out of sacks. Shedeur can run just fine when he needs to, just prefers to throw it.

I think we will all be surprised with his 40 time (if he runs it) in a good way.
 
slider said:
I wouldn’t say it’s impossible scouts don’t all agree on Shedeur. He has his warts and he is not a modern QB. He’s not exactly mobile and in these days that is nearly a prerequisite to start in the NFL.

Take a look at the QB’s who led their teams to the playoffs

Jayden Daniels
Jalen Hurts
Josh Allen
Lamar Jackson
Russell Wilson
Bo Nix

Less of a threat but more mobile than Shedeur:
Baker Mayfield
CJ Stroud
Justin Herbert

The only true statues are Goff and Stafford
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I think this narrative is mostly because people see him as Deion’s son and because he’s black so the natural thought is that he should be a runner. His athleticism seems on par with Mahomes and Burrow to me and his escapability from pressure in the pocket is almost elite. I think his athleticism is underrated and completely adequate for an NFL QB, but you’re right, he doesn’t have the same ability as Lamar, Allen, Daniels, Hurts or even Nix for that matter.
 
Bread said:
Shedeur’s escapability in the pocket is much more helpful than being able to get 10 yards vs 20 on a scramble imo. He keeps plays alive incredibly well. The best QB in the league is also extremely good at magically twisting out of sacks. Shedeur can run just fine when he needs to, just prefers to throw it.

I think we will all be surprised with his 40 time (if he runs it) in a good way.
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He's an elusive pocket passer. He's not outside the pocket athletic. He's in the pocket athletic. That matters a ton for a pocket passer.
 
The Alabaster Yak said:
I think this narrative is mostly because people see him as Deion’s son and because he’s black so the natural thought is that he should be a runner. His athleticism seems on par with Mahomes and Burrow to me and his escapability from pressure in the pocket is almost elite. I think his athleticism is underrated and completely adequate for an NFL QB, but you’re right, he doesn’t have the same ability as Lamar, Allen, Daniels, Hurts or even Nix for that matter.
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Are there still people who see a black QB and assume "dual threat"?

Sorry for the stupid question. Of course there are.
 
Buffnik said:
Are there still people who see a black QB and assume "dual threat"?

Sorry for the stupid question. Of course there are.
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I mean, if we’re honest, there are far more black DT QBs than statue QBs so if you don’t watch Shedeur, I can understand the sentiment. There’s a reason the NFL and NBA overwhelmingly consist of black players.
 
Buffnik said:
Are there still people who see a black QB and assume "dual threat"?

Sorry for the stupid question. Of course there are.
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The funny thing is that the first two black NFL QBs I remember were Doug Williams and Warren Moon. Both of those dudes were statues. IIRC, it wasn't until Randall Cunningham got into the league that black QB started to equal black QB.
 
They can write all the click bait they want about him, the fact is that the NFL is a QB league and SS is one of the two best QBs in the draft, probably the best QB in the draft, he isn't going any later than the first five picks.

Being honest there are other years that he wouldn't be the first or second best QB in the draft. He runs better than many want to give him credit for but no he's not an elite running QB. He has very good mobility in the pocket but still holds the ball too long and takes a lot of sacks, and because of the way he uses his mobility a lot of those sacks are long ones. There is a big difference between 3nd and 14 because of a 4 yard sack and 3rd and 24 because the QB went backwards and lost 14 on the sack.

His arm strength compares well, he hit a lot of deep balls. Short to intermediate his ball placement is elite. He did not display good skills in going to the outlet receiver or in using the short middle of the field with a RB or TE. These are things that can be learned.

At this point most of what is being written about the draft, Shedeur or otherwise is clickbait. There are no real insights that come out in January about how pro teams see draft prospects. They will write about Shedeur and even Shilo because their last name is Sanders and that last name draws clicks, the same as mentioning Prime for other coaching jobs.
 
MtnBuff said:
They can write all the click bait they want about him, the fact is that the NFL is a QB league and SS is one of the two best QBs in the draft, probably the best QB in the draft, he isn't going any later than the first five picks.

Being honest there are other years that he wouldn't be the first or second best QB in the draft. He runs better than many want to give him credit for but no he's not an elite running QB. He has very good mobility in the pocket but still holds the ball too long and takes a lot of sacks, and because of the way he uses his mobility a lot of those sacks are long ones. There is a big difference between 3nd and 14 because of a 4 yard sack and 3rd and 24 because the QB went backwards and lost 14 on the sack.

His arm strength compares well, he hit a lot of deep balls. Short to intermediate his ball placement is elite. He did not display good skills in going to the outlet receiver or in using the short middle of the field with a RB or TE. These are things that can be learned.

At this point most of what is being written about the draft, Shedeur or otherwise is clickbait. There are no real insights that come out in January about how pro teams see draft prospects. They will write about Shedeur and even Shilo because their last name is Sanders and that last name draws clicks, the same as mentioning Prime for other coaching jobs.
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I disagree with some of your negatives
 
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