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Shedeur Sanders - 2023-25 Tracking History Thread

What would lead you to believe that Shedeur will not respond to NFL coaching?

When guys come into the league dependent on their physical skills those are the guys who don't improve with pro level coaching. I earlier used the example of Paxton Lynch with the Broncos. He was the combine prototype, big, fast, strong arm, above average accuracy in drills. What he didn't do was study the offense he was in and the defenses he faced, he didn't work to make the adjustments he needed to make.

The offenses Shedeur ran at Jackson and at CU were obviously built around him because it would have been dumb not to take advantage of an elite talent, and especially at CU because other than Shedeur the elite talent CU had was at the WR positions. Even there though, and @#1 pick can go deeper into this than I because he watched him closely at Jackson State, Shedeur both adapted to adjustments and changes in the offense and made leaps in his abilities to read and attack defenses.

The hardest thing to build at the major college level is an offensive line. You not only have to fill five positions but you have to get those five to play in unison, as a single unit. If a receiving corps is lacking talent at one position or has a guy who doesn't meet the mental demands of the position you can go elsewhere. I.E. the Buffs never found a TE who was really a P4 level multi-dimensional threat. Compared to the Dorrell years the OL has made huge leaps but it was still grossly imcomplete. If your OL has one or more weaknesses quality DCs will see them and attack them.

As a result of all of this the reality was that if CU was going to win it wasn't going to be with a running game and a quick passing game. They had no choice but to put their fortunes on the ability of Shedeur and his WRs to make game breaking plays with the deep passing game. Result an offense that ask him to play hero ball holding the ball until he could find big plays deep.

In the pros he will be trained to more often go to his quick read, find and go to the shorter breaking receiver, to use his TEs and his slot WR instead of depending on waiting for somebody to get open deep. He has already shown clearly he can make those throws and even his critics acknowledge that he has above average intelligence as a QB.

He will have to improve his footwork in the pocket and learn to trust his early reads, those are things that plenty of young QBs have had to do. Zero reason to believe that Shedeur can't or won't do the same.

The media people who are talking about him falling out of the 1st round are making stuff up for clicks, that isn't happening. He may fall some in part because the teams that are at the top of the draft are frequently teams that have a history of making mistakes.

This isn't just Buffs fan talking but I believe he is a better pro prospect than Cam Ward. He isn't as good as some of the highly drafted guys in recent years drafts but he is a first round worthy QB and QB is far and away the most valuable position in the game. He will go high. Travis may be the best football player in the draft in a number of years but not being a QB and the confusion about exactly how to use him will likely drop him a few spots.
Pretty much this. In college, he had to play hero ball. We weren't equipped to play to his strengths and he still produced but he got some bad film.

Shedeur excelled on film and data wise at the quick game. His numbers are off the charts at it. 91.7 adj under 2.5 is world class, some of the best we have ever seen. Good TTT under 2.5 seconds. What's most impressive is even with a low ADOT, Shedeur is similar to Mahomes as he's throwing it to the weakside of the field. That requires a lot of arm strength to do. Something that makes his quick game special.

To me, he's Chris Paul. Same questions. Every teammate says the same thing, he just wants to win and he's so smart and calm. His clutch rating with PFF to end halves under 2 minutes is 94 overall. His stats when it's a one score game is insane. Shedeur doesn't get enough credit for just being an extremely consistent QB who just elevates when his team needs him the most to do so. 97 positive play rate via PFF. He leads at all these random charts. Mahomes was doing that too his last year at TT. He was off the charts. His TTT under 2.5 seconds was 1.66. Guess who's always elite at it in the NFL?
 
I know it was only one play, but look at this play against Kansas last year. It’s a perfect encapsulation of his game. He doesn’t pass it unless it’s perfect. It took him 13 seconds to get a pass off (that ended up being incomplete) and risked a major injury. Just stupid!



How about this game against Oregon in the first half? I’d say at least two of those were on him.


Cherry picking plays to make a general assessment is corny. They always lack context, always lack situation, always lack the follow up aka reflect.
 
Nice dodge of my first question!

IMO Travis should be the #1 pick and it’s not even close.

Shedeur not getting him (the Heisman winner) the ball more, when he knows he doesn’t have much time, is pretty much malpractice. It’s not like he was constantly doubled or anything. Travis was our best player, Shedeur was just along for the ride.

You gloss over all of Shedeur’s weaknesses as not a big deal, when, in fact, they’re a huge deal in the NFL.

If he gets drafted in the top 10, he’ll face similar challenges as he did with us and, without Travis, it’s not gonna look pretty. I thought that he would adapt last year after the year prior to that, but he got even worse and was primarily hero ball the entire year.

Zero pocket awareness, would get out of sacks to take even worse sacks, not ever taking what’s there, it was super ****ing frustrating.

Hopefully, he’ll improve vastly with NFL coaching, but I have my doubts.
Holy ****, dude
 
I know it was only one play, but look at this play against Kansas last year. It’s a perfect encapsulation of his game. He doesn’t pass it unless it’s perfect. It took him 13 seconds to get a pass off (that ended up being incomplete) and risked a major injury. Just stupid!



How about this game against Oregon in the first half? I’d say at least two of those were on him.


You should check out Dan Orlovsky’s Twitter post about Shedeur from a few days ago. Multiple clips of Shedeur having to make plays happen because right at the top of his drop there were missed blocks and pressure in his face.

Nobody has said he is a perfect or generational QB prospect. He will need to improve in multiple areas to have an elite NFL career, but you are going overboard on your critiques.
 
I feel like JonSergeantMajor and I aren't watching the same sport.

I agree he holds onto the ball too long - but that's pretty much the only thing I agree with
I also felt he was uncomfortable with and resistant to immediate throws off presnap hot reads. This was a thing with both Lewis and Shurmur where he didn't get comfortable with those types of plays that don't give a pass rush a chance and are designed to use the pass game as a running game.
 
You should check out Dan Orlovsky’s Twitter post about Shedeur from a few days ago. Multiple clips of Shedeur having to make plays happen because right at the top of his drop there were missed blocks and pressure in his face.

Nobody has said he is a perfect or generational QB prospect. He will need to improve in multiple areas to have an elite NFL career, but you are going overboard on your critiques.
204 dropbacks with pressure but a 19.4 P2S% in 2024 is exceptional.

Someone with zero pocket awareness would be living on the IR.
 
Maybe Shedeur is purposefully tanking his interviews so he doesn’t have to go to a ****ty organization.
I think that may be part of it but there’s not a ton of franchises that are in the market for a QB early in the draft, so I’m not sure he can afford to be picky
 
I also felt he was uncomfortable with and resistant to immediate throws off presnap hot reads. This was a thing with both Lewis and Shurmur where he didn't get comfortable with those types of plays that don't give a pass rush a chance and are designed to use the pass game as a running game.
Intermediate passing game generally needs a TE who has receiving skills and a capable running game. Its optimal when the RB is all propose. Hence why McCord was miles better this year with Cuse than at Ohio State even if he has better players around him at OSU. Cuse had Quint Allen and Gadsden who fit the quick passing game style. Losing Dyl Edwards hurt because teams had to scheme for him. None of our backs were schemed for and it put a lot on our passing game. The TE position was downgraded and that made things that was bleak much worse.

A lot of us would love to see more of a pro style we saw at JSU in year 1 but we just didn't have the personnel. We didn't have the personnel at JSU either but JSU margin of error was vastly higher than at Colorado.

Another thing I've been hearing that's wrong is we don't run pro concepts. We do run a lot of pro concepts for 10 personnel. Sure, we aren't running 11 or 12 personnel but when you watch 10 or empty, the plays Shurmur runs are similar to what you will see on Sundays. Identical for the most part. What Bryce was doing to the Falcons in week 18 was similar to Shedeur at CU.
 
I also felt he was uncomfortable with and resistant to immediate throws off presnap hot reads. This was a thing with both Lewis and Shurmur where he didn't get comfortable with those types of plays that don't give a pass rush a chance and are designed to use the pass game as a running game.
I'm not saying he is perfect or anything - but the stuff he does felt mostly right to get us wins. And you hope in the NFL is is more coachable to the various systems, while keeping that natural ability to extend plays and make magic.

But maybe he isn't coachable and doesn't improve in those areas - but it doesn't seem like such a big deficiency compared to most any other QB picked over the years.
 
You should check out Dan Orlovsky’s Twitter post about Shedeur from a few days ago. Multiple clips of Shedeur having to make plays happen because right at the top of his drop there were missed blocks and pressure in his face.

Nobody has said he is a perfect or generational QB prospect. He will need to improve in multiple areas to have an elite NFL career, but you are going overboard on your critiques.
Just a general trend.

The guys who I see trying to move Shedeur down, trying to generate these criticisms of him to justify their hot takes against him tend to be the general reporters/personalities, the guys who are a "baseball expert" in baseball season, "basketball expert" in basketball season, "hockey expert" once the Stanley Cup is under way.

You are mentioning Orlovsky. All he focuses on is pro football and college football, logical because he spent 12 years as a pro QB after playing college ball. He spent his pro career bouncing around as a backup. To do that as long as he did means he watched a lot of film and was responsible for not only knowing his teams offense but simulating the opponents offense and QB. Guys don't last that long if they don't know what they are doing.

If you don't think Orlovsky is qualified enough take a look at what Joel Klatt has to say. Klatt is a former Buff but is known for going out of his way to be objective about the Buffs. He is the lead college football analyst for Fox Sports as well as a being seen and heard on multiple other outlets.

Klatt's take

He is another guy who if not for his concussion issues would have been in the league as a backup, Sean Payton who is known for demanding his QBs know the game wanted him and remains a friend.

This is that time of year when we are past the combine but not quite yet to the draft. We have some pro days (CU Buffs is March 19-20) but that like the combine is basically underwear Olympics. The hot takes guys are digging for something to talk about even if they don't know anything. Shedeur is a great target because he is a QB, he is outspoken and flashy, his dad is one of the best known names in football.

For the critics get back to us when somebody who actually knows what they are talking about has something to say.
 
Maybe Shedeur is purposefully tanking his interviews so he doesn’t have to go to a ****ty organization.
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