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Shedeur Sanders - 2023-25 Tracking History Thread - Drafted by the Cleveland Browns (NFL)

hokiehead said:
@Buffnik , my memory is different from yours. When DS was a player, I was following sports closer than at any other point in my life. I don't recall vitriol at all over the two sport playing. I recall tons of hype and positive pop publicity.

I'm sure there were some haters, but my memory is most of the sports world watching him and going, "damnnnn".
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Falcons management was at odds with him most of the time. It’s how he ended up with the 49ers.
 
PAHIBuff said:
It’s unsettling that a college sophomore would have a “favorite superhero”. Is 19 the new 10? JFC….
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Times they are a changin.

Pulp Fiction Film GIF by The Good Films
 
Medford M. said:
Tim McCarver is the only guy I really remember going after him.
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That was the example of it going public. But there was a lot of attitude about "Neon Deion" acting like he was bigger than either sport and that he was selfish despite the fact that he was generally the guy in the locker room quietly reading his Bible while working harder in his practice reps, film study and off field conditioning than anyone else.
 
Highlander said:
Falcons management was at odds with him most of the time. It’s how he ended up with the 49ers.
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Yep. And at the end, he expected to be paid as one of the most valuable players in the league due to his performance and marketability while getting organizational commitment to build a team that could win a championship. It's no accident that the 3 organizations he signed with after Atlanta (SF, Dallas & Baltimore) all fit the ownership and organizational culture he demanded.
 
Buffnik said:
Everyone needs to understand how organizations like this think. It's a culture set at the top and how ownership looks at employees and players.

They are not people. They are either performing assets or non-performing assets on a cost/benefit scale. Zero fvcks are given about whether a guy is a criminal, abuses women, or whatever, as long as he doesn't get caught and/or have it impact his availability or performance. The greater the performance or higher the potential performance, the more bullsh!t management, coaches and/or teammates are expected to put up with and even be enablers for.

What they have little patience for are guys who are aware of the culture and don't humble themselves and kiss the ring. Guys who know the score and will butt heads with coaches if they're not being utilized in a way that maximizes their stardom & earning potential and butt heads with management if they're not being paid market value or aren't being provided teammates that are good enough... those are the guys who they see as having attitude problems and being disruptive influences who get coaches and executives fired. It's why even the elite talents in pro sports can end up being run out of town, end up playing for multiple teams during their careers, and have their character assassinated even though they perform and don't have off-field issues (i.e., Randy Moss, Jimmy Butler, etc).

Heck, consider how much vitriol Deion Sanders was subjected to because he was playing 2 pro sports while being very focused on what he was being paid and maximizing his endorsements and celebrity.

This is what they saw with Shedeur and why they decided that the bulljunk, from the perspective of ownership/ management/ coaches exceeded the talent in their cost/ benefit analysis. The fact that he would be good, draw a lot of attention, and have the support of teammates (who support another player getting his and live by a code of never getting between another player and his money) because he's a great teammate from their perspective... they saw it as a negative. The analysis was, "Yes, we can win with Shedeur as our QB. But we don't want to and he's not a generational talent so we can justify a strategy of trying to win a different way without him."
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The NFL runs one of the most exploitive business models in the United States. Anything that threatens that model is dealt with harshly by the cartel.
 
Buffnik said:
Yep. And at the end, he expected to be paid as one of the most valuable players in the league due to his performance and marketability while getting organizational commitment to build a team that could win a championship. It's no accident that the 3 organizations he signed with after Atlanta (SF, Dallas & Baltimore) all fit the ownership and organizational culture he demanded.
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Really resonates about his perfect fit with the culture of Rick George and Todd Saliman.

What an amazing set of circumstances that had led CU back to the top. I mean, we were beyond flat-lining. They already announced time of death. Family was already notified.

And in walks Prime
 
rosstr said:
Really resonates about his perfect fit with the culture of Rick George and Todd Saliman.

What an amazing set of circumstances that had led CU back to the top. I mean, we were beyond flat-lining. They already announced time of death. Family was already notified.

And in walks Prime
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While we are obviously competitive and I believe we have a bright future. Missing the conference championship while laying eggs against Nebraska, Kansas, and BYU is not what I would describe as being "back to the top".
 
Buffnik said:
Everyone needs to understand how organizations like this think. It's a culture set at the top and how ownership looks at employees and players.

They are not people. They are either performing assets or non-performing assets on a cost/benefit scale. Zero fvcks are given about whether a guy is a criminal, abuses women, or whatever, as long as he doesn't get caught and/or have it impact his availability or performance. The greater the performance or higher the potential performance, the more bullsh!t management, coaches and/or teammates are expected to put up with and even be enablers for.

What they have little patience for are guys who are aware of the culture and don't humble themselves and kiss the ring. Guys who know the score and will butt heads with coaches if they're not being utilized in a way that maximizes their stardom & earning potential and butt heads with management if they're not being paid market value or aren't being provided teammates that are good enough... those are the guys who they see as having attitude problems and being disruptive influences who get coaches and executives fired. It's why even the elite talents in pro sports can end up being run out of town, end up playing for multiple teams during their careers, and have their character assassinated even though they perform and don't have off-field issues (i.e., Randy Moss, Jimmy Butler, etc).

Heck, consider how much vitriol Deion Sanders was subjected to because he was playing 2 pro sports while being very focused on what he was being paid and maximizing his endorsements and celebrity.

This is what they saw with Shedeur and why they decided that the bulljunk, from the perspective of ownership/ management/ coaches exceeded the talent in their cost/ benefit analysis. The fact that he would be good, draw a lot of attention, and have the support of teammates (who support another player getting his and live by a code of never getting between another player and his money) because he's a great teammate from their perspective... they saw it as a negative. The analysis was, "Yes, we can win with Shedeur as our QB. But we don't want to and he's not a generational talent so we can justify a strategy of trying to win a different way without him."
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Highlander said:
While we are obviously competitive and I believe we have a bright future. Missing the conference championship while laying eggs against Nebraska, Kansas, and BYU is not what I would describe as being "back to the top".
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I’d concur. We are back to the good, but not the top, not even on our own conference. However, I firmly believe that is coming within the next two years.
 
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