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Did these last two games expose a big problem for this team? We don't seem to have any natural shooters. Yeah, we hit outside shots when we are wide open, but the ASU and UA defenses just shut us down. Especially from beyond the arc. Do we just not have guys that can shoot OT is it more that we can't create open shots against tough defenses?
 
DBT said:
Did these last two games expose a big problem for this team? We don't seem to have any natural shooters. Yeah, we hit outside shots when we are wide open, but the ASU and UA defenses just shut us down. Especially from beyond the arc. Do we just not have guys that can shoot OT is it more that we can't create open shots against tough defenses?
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Another thread about a shooter after a loss?

I'm in favor of adding a pure shooter- a catch and shoot guy with a quick trigger. It wouldn't have made any difference last night though. We played selfish, one on one basketball offensively, did nothing to create open looks for teammates, and had a number of careless turnovers. If anything, we needed more size and athleticism to counter the Cats.
 
We need to keep in mind that Arizona's defense is #1 in the country in defensive efficiency


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UA doesn't have dedicated shooters. They've got basketball players, some of whom are pretty good shooters. But they haven't been a good team from 3pt range this year.
 
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We need to keep in mind that Arizona's defense is #1 in the country in defensive efficiency


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Or just admit that we played like ****. That was a great defensive effort, but we made almost no attempt to run an offense at all. After the strides we'd seen Ski make as a PG, tjat was biggest disappointment last night. I don't care about the shooting percentage, it was the shots he was taking. That went back to last year when, if the shot wasn't falling, he was completely ineffective. He's better than that.
 
Buffnik said:
UA doesn't have dedicated shooters. They've got basketball players, some of who are good shooters. But they haven't been a good team from 3pt range this year.
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Elliott Pitts? I think that's the role he was recruited for, although he's a pretty good athlete too.

Edit- Pitts had done nothing before last night, so I'm talking about a future role, not this year's team.
 
AZ just outworked us at both ends. They were willing to elbow and pound to make the additional pass. Several times last night we needed one more pass and the shot would have been there. It really seemed like AZ capitalized on our frustration and discomfort, impatience, as witnessed by the pulling away late in the game.

We may have ok shooting or not, but you have to work for the open look and last night we just did not accomplish this. Lots of frustration on the offensive end.
 
mattrob said:
Elliott Pitts? I think that's the role he was recruited for, although he's a pretty good athlete too.

Edit- Pitts had done nothing before last night, so I'm talking about a future role, not this year's team.
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4* recruit. Length at 6'5" and a great first step to go with it. And he's a good shooter. This isn't a case of recruiting a Brady Heslip like some CU fans seem to want.
 
Well if Buff fans want a Heslip type player, they will not get it in Tad's system. Might as well quit wishing for something that is not going to happen. Unless he is long, athletic and has the potential to play defense.
 
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Or just admit that we played like ****. That was a great defensive effort, but we made almost no attempt to run an offense at all. After the strides we'd seen Ski make as a PG, tjat was biggest disappointment last night. I don't care about the shooting percentage, it was the shots he was taking. That went back to last year when, if the shot wasn't falling, he was completely ineffective. He's better than that.
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I'm not in anyway saying we didn't play like ****, we absolutely did. Probably the worst I've ever seen a CU team play with Tad as the HC. I'm just saying that we need to keep in mind that Arizona is a excellent defensive team. The does not excuse how we played on both sides, just something to keep in mind.


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I've seen CU play worse at home. 2 years ago against Stanford in a similar situation of a huge, hyped-up crowd.
 
Buffnik said:
4* recruit. Length at 6'5" and a great first step to go with it. And he's a good shooter. This isn't a case of recruiting a Brady Heslip like some CU fans seem to want.
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I think everyone would prefer someone like Pitts, who is more well-rounded, but if we can't land that type of player, we've seen worse uses of the 13th scholly than someone who can hit 40-50% from behind the line.
 
I got the impression that the team was overwhelmed by the game. Played tight, as said earlier, didn't play team basketball and didn't match the effort or intensity of the opponent.
 
Last night felt more like us beating ourselves than some inherent deficiency in the team. Came out dumbstruck, fought back a bit but came out from the half the same way and then everything got worse and overwhelmed them.

Not it saying we don't need another piece but this felt more like mental prep and that could be related to youth and inexperience
 
I think the difference between the two games was obviously defense. This team is going to have some struggles offensively, but if they play defense they will have a chance to beat most teams.

Just looked rattled much of the night. Maybe Gameday was too much of a distraction, maybe CU just played a bad game, or maybe Arizona just had one of their best halves of the season. It's probably a combination of factors. It does suck that there was so much attention on Colorado, and an impressive win might have changed some perceptions in recruiting
 
I wasn't referring to just last night. I can take just last night. We shot the same against ASU. What is frustrating is that we looked so good on the road trip and I expected that to carry over at home. Our last two home games of the year and we looked like we were the road team.
 
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I wasn't referring to just last night. I can take just last night. We shot the same against ASU. What is frustrating is that we looked so good on the road trip and I expected that to carry over at home. Our last two home games of the year and we looked like we were the road team.
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We did beat Arizona State.....before this week started that is what 99% of Buffs fans were hoping would happen...we just didn't expect last night to be so bad
 
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We did beat Arizona State.....before this week started that is what 99% of Buffs fans were hoping would happen...we just didn't expect last night to be so bad
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Yeah splitting this week wasn't so bad against these two teams even at home. If we split the Bay Area trip I'll be good. Beating Utah on top of that, icing on the cake.
 
Tad just hasn't done the job. We need to go out and recruit somebody who can score within the offense that Tad likes to run slashing to the basket and also develop into a pretty decent (doesn't have to be great) outside shooter. It would help if he were tall enough to defend some wing players (maybe like a 6'5" guy) but also be able to handle the ball well enough and pass well enough to take some responsibility at the point. I know that those guys are fairly rare and usually end up getting mentioned as NBA prospects but it sure would be nice if we could ever get one of those guys.

Maybe Tad should have recruited that Dinwiddie kid a couple years ago, he could have really helped us out. Whatever happenend to him by the way?

Outside shooting has been an issue with this program. Coming in it looked like a couple of our freshmen this year could shoot it fairly well in HS but the first year of college ball is a major adjustment, wouldn't be surprised to see one or more of the young guys step up in the future and show some outside shooting ability. Also Dom Collier coming in next year has shown some ability at the HS level. Tad is also after some kids for the upcoming class who in addition to have the athletic ability to play his system also can shoot from outside.

I don't see him ever compromising on ability to do the other things he expects just to be able to shoot.
 
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