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Should 8 Pac-12 teams make the Dance?

Buffnik

Buffnik

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Entering tonight, here are the D1 Records, RPIs, and SOSs of the Top 8.

Team
D1 Record
RPI
SOS
Arizona
28-2
1
9
UCLA
22-7
21
19
Colorado
21-9
29
11
Oregon
21-8
31
37
Arizona State
21-9
33
40
Stanford
18-11
46
15
Cal
18-12
60
39
Utah
18-9
73
95

Clearly, there's no reason to even debate the Top 5 teams making the Dance. Arizona, UCLA, Colorado, Oregon and Arizona State have done enough to be stone cold locks. So let's focus on the other 3:

Stanford: The committee wants teams to schedule a challenging non-conference schedule. The SOS of 15 shows that they were willing to compete against quality teams this season. Non-conference losses were BYU, Pitt and Michigan. They also won at UConn. Importantly, no bad losses (worst is at Oregon State, which is nothing to be ashamed of).

Cal: Good schedule, not great. Lost to Syracuse, Dayton, @ Creighton, and @ UCSB. Nothing bad there. Best OOC win was Arkansas. And they beat Arizona.

Utah: Awful non-conference scheduling. Played 2 challenging games - winning vs BYU and losing at Boise State. Only other OOC game worth mentioning was a win against Fresno State. Every other OOC opponent is over 200 in RPI (or D2). Ugh. But they've got a lot of quality Pac-12 wins, highlighted by beating UCLA.

With all that, maybe the best argument for 8 teams is USC. Trojans have 1 Pac-12 win and will finish in last place. Despite that, this is a team that still has a Top 200 RPI. Why? They beat Xavier on a neutral court and won at Dayton in the OOC. That's the bottom of the Pac-12 barrel this year. There were no easy outs.

Pac-12 is the #3 RPI conference this season.

All of the above teams (and maybe Washington sitting at 8-8 with its RPI of 80) will finish .500 or better in conference play. All proved on top of that that they could beat tourney teams while avoiding bad losses.

Bill Walton is right. Pac-12 deserves to be an 8-bid league in 2014.
 
Not unless Utah wins the Pac-12 tournament, or at least gets to the title game. Stanford should probably make it as long as they get another win. Cal needs a couple tourney wins imo. Can't afford a loss to Utah.
 
I have a hard time finding any sympathy for Utah. Utes chose their fate when they scheduled the 346th strongest OOC SOS.

I believe Cal should make it over a team like Missouri, but they won't without another win (probably need two).
 
CVilleBuff said:
I have a hard time finding any sympathy for Utah. Utes chose their fate when they scheduled the 346th strongest OOC SOS.

I believe Cal should make it over a team like Missouri, but they won't without another win (probably need two).
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I think you're right. And I won't shed a tear for them. The tournament doesn't claim to be the 68 best teams, but there's no doubt in my mind that Utah is easily within the best 68 this year. They hamstrung themselves with that schedule, though.
 
CVilleBuff said:
I have a hard time finding any sympathy for Utah. Utes chose their fate when they scheduled the 346th strongest OOC SOS.
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Given what Utah thought they had coming into the season and where they are in a total re-build, the fact that we are even talking about them tells me this was the perfect schedule for them. Do i have any sympathy if they get left out of the dance? No.

Do i understand why they drew up this schedule and what Coach K-lite was doing? Yes. Did it work? Hell yes. People need to layoff the harping on their terrible schedule, it was a very smart, very purposeful move.
 
absinthe said:
Given what Utah thought they had coming into the season and where they are in a total re-build, the fact that we are even talking about them tells me this was the perfect schedule for them. Do i have any sympathy if they get left out of the dance? No.

Do i understand why they drew up this schedule and what Coach K-lite was doing? Yes. Did it work? Hell yes. People need to stop knocking their terrible schedule it was a very smart very purposeful move.
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It's great for something to build on, but for making the dance they're getting what they deserve. All I'm saying. It's kind of a shame because they didn't need to go *quite* as weak as they did in retrospect.
 
I think California has put themselves in a tough situation...they need to win Saturday and probably get 2 more wins in Tournament

Utah needs to improve OOC schedule....anything short of winning Pac 12 Tournament keeps them out I believe
 
I just don't see the case for Utah. At all. The numbers speak for themselves, an RPI of 75 simply isn't tournament worthy and it's not like they done great in conference play.
 
Utah **** the bed with their schedule, but I agree with Nik- they're legit. I would venture a guess that their SOS improves a lot next year. They're quietly asserting themselves as a very tough team to beat and a top half of the conference team.


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The only way the 12PAC gets 8 tourney teams is this scenario -- the Yoots (or another cellar dweller) beat Cal in the conference tournament title game.
 
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