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So WTF happened?
- Thread starter Bufffan68
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Correct. Everyone knew depth would get tested with no bye during conference play and it got exposed in a bad way.
predictable offense. plus, injuries. plus, the tightness of a death spiral launched by an epic bad loss. recruiting, yes, strategically, that is the underlying issue on the ol. but, tactically, our demise was done by the first 3 things. once usc showed the way on how to beat our offense and defense, and we failed to adjust, that was pretty much where the season headed the wrong way.
Bliff Cranch
Well-Known Member
This. And the players knew the OL was the weakest of weak links on the team. As they began to see the OL getting owned play after play, the rest of the team’s confidence collapsed. It’s the spiral we all feared.
And runnng up the middle. Over. And over. And over. Then a naked screen on 3rd and 17. Rinse. Repeat.
Ripp
Woke bitch
People say how great Chev is as a recruiter but just how great is he? I don't see many 4* on the roster. The tragic thing is, he's probably the best recruiter on staff but here's what we know:
2018 Recruiting Class: Five 4*
2017 Recruiting Class: Seven 4* (granted, that's not bad for CU, sadly)
2016 Recruiting Class: Zero 4*
Is that great? I think not, and certainly not good enough to contend in the Pac-12, let alone the nation.
He's been pretty great. The thing is, you need 6 or 7 of your 10 assistants to be like Chev and a HC who lives and breathes recruiting as an organizational culture.
BlackNGold
Club Member
I just want to know where you are getting those stats from. Neither rivals nor scout are close to those numbers.
Ripp
Woke bitch
He's been the best by far, I agree with that. But we're still only getting occasional 4*s which can't happen if you want to contend. The rest of the staff is atrocious. Depending on circumstances, I wouldn't mid Chev hanging around with the new staff as WR coach but certainly NOT as OC or CO-OC.
He's the best we have right now and that makes me shake my head. I want championships. Whatever RG has to do, just do it.
Bufffan68
Club Member
I get that. I’m just shocked at the epic collapses. After Cal motorboats us, this team in 2 years will be 0-10 in games to become bowl eligible. I’m just stunned we could look so good then completely fall apart.
We have enough talent to win 6-8 games but 5 wins each season the last 2 years. Ugh.
I’m also surprised that Mac is looking more and more like a huckster salesman a la Hawkins. The whole thing is unbelievable given where we were 6 weeks ago. Sad. Come on RG...pull the trigger.
Master Blaster
Ramblin Wreck from Golden Tech
I like Chev's personality and recruiting ability, but I'm not a believer in his scheme and his playcalling is even worse. I think he could be a good coach in the future, but he really needs some help in some areas.
I wouldn't mind keeping him around IF we bring in an offensive specialist as HC that can teach him a thing or two
Ripp
Woke bitch
Those are ESPN numbers, if you don't like them just adjust them to your liking. Either way, it's not good enough.
Yeah, that. We haven't signed nearly that many 4* prospects. I wish we had. That's a Top 25 class.
I don’t want to go on a rant here but...........
1. Whoever was in control of the offense (Chev or HCMM) did a poor job of coaching the finer points of offensive execution (timing, blocking angles, touch passes etc).
2. There is a complete disregard for any type of offensive creativity, variety, or any real player development. Total and complete lack of a tight end. When was the last time we threw to a running back? Do we have any short yardage play besides a direct snap wildcat?
We are built to be a spread 4-5 wide set that was Folsom Fast and we tried to be Power I out the shotgun. Which of course we don’t have the personal for.
3. Absolutely brutal offensive line coaching. They were below average to begin with and got measurably worse.
4. Stuborn play calling that for some reason always seem to be trying to “establish the run.” Behind the worst O-line in the pac-12 no less. The ASU game was fools gold in that their D-line got tired at altitude and our O-line actually looked good for the second half of that game.
5. No established offensive identity. Basically we were a team with two plays.
a. Run between our very mediocre tackles
b. Go routes up the sideline
6. A ridiculous amount of dropped passes. For the second year in a row we had WAY too many drops at key moments in games that killed drives. Chev’s group have underperformed two years in row. There are two reasons for this:
a. Poor coaching
b. Montez doesn’t throw a very catchable ball. Everything is a rocket. (This will serve him well in the NFL. Pros will catch those)
7. Questionable talent evaluation. Given what I have seen this year, I cannot believe that Laviska as a freshman in 2017 was not better than any of our starters. All we heard all off season was that we had quality at the WR, Donavan Lee was a good running back etc. Yet every game all of this talent was either on the bench or not getting the ball.
You can’t have that much talent on the bench and keep everyone motivated.
8. Overcoaching. This offense was not “players making plays.” It was a bunch of guys overthinking their assignments instead of just playing football. Mike Leach’s offense works because it is simple. They don’t spend much time on “system” so their limited practice time is spent developing player’s skills. That is why they are the team that does more with less better than anyone in the country.
This is the opposite of our staff. Which is why we play worse as the season progresses.
9. Very poor tackling. The 2016 Defense was so good because their open field tacking skills were second to none. Outside of Landman and Johnson our tackling skills were very poor this year.
10. Injuries.
11. Poor recruiting. Although some part of me believes that we recruited as good as can be expected given where we were before HCMM. Having said that, WSU doesn’t recruit higher than us and they are #8 in the country.
Thanks for allowing me to get all that off my chest! I feel better.
1. Whoever was in control of the offense (Chev or HCMM) did a poor job of coaching the finer points of offensive execution (timing, blocking angles, touch passes etc).
2. There is a complete disregard for any type of offensive creativity, variety, or any real player development. Total and complete lack of a tight end. When was the last time we threw to a running back? Do we have any short yardage play besides a direct snap wildcat?
We are built to be a spread 4-5 wide set that was Folsom Fast and we tried to be Power I out the shotgun. Which of course we don’t have the personal for.
3. Absolutely brutal offensive line coaching. They were below average to begin with and got measurably worse.
4. Stuborn play calling that for some reason always seem to be trying to “establish the run.” Behind the worst O-line in the pac-12 no less. The ASU game was fools gold in that their D-line got tired at altitude and our O-line actually looked good for the second half of that game.
5. No established offensive identity. Basically we were a team with two plays.
a. Run between our very mediocre tackles
b. Go routes up the sideline
6. A ridiculous amount of dropped passes. For the second year in a row we had WAY too many drops at key moments in games that killed drives. Chev’s group have underperformed two years in row. There are two reasons for this:
a. Poor coaching
b. Montez doesn’t throw a very catchable ball. Everything is a rocket. (This will serve him well in the NFL. Pros will catch those)
7. Questionable talent evaluation. Given what I have seen this year, I cannot believe that Laviska as a freshman in 2017 was not better than any of our starters. All we heard all off season was that we had quality at the WR, Donavan Lee was a good running back etc. Yet every game all of this talent was either on the bench or not getting the ball.
You can’t have that much talent on the bench and keep everyone motivated.
8. Overcoaching. This offense was not “players making plays.” It was a bunch of guys overthinking their assignments instead of just playing football. Mike Leach’s offense works because it is simple. They don’t spend much time on “system” so their limited practice time is spent developing player’s skills. That is why they are the team that does more with less better than anyone in the country.
This is the opposite of our staff. Which is why we play worse as the season progresses.
9. Very poor tackling. The 2016 Defense was so good because their open field tacking skills were second to none. Outside of Landman and Johnson our tackling skills were very poor this year.
10. Injuries.
11. Poor recruiting. Although some part of me believes that we recruited as good as can be expected given where we were before HCMM. Having said that, WSU doesn’t recruit higher than us and they are #8 in the country.
Thanks for allowing me to get all that off my chest! I feel better.
Playing time confounds me?
Arias is a big time deep threat, like he beats his guy EVERY time. No dig to KD but he is not an outside deep threat, he is a slot guy.
Why we did not use quick dinks and dunks, then take shots will always amaze me.
Oh well
Season is over
MM is done
Arias is a big time deep threat, like he beats his guy EVERY time. No dig to KD but he is not an outside deep threat, he is a slot guy.
Why we did not use quick dinks and dunks, then take shots will always amaze me.
Oh well
Season is over
MM is done
Motorboats us? Um, I don't think that's the word you're looking for.
Motorboats us? Um, I don't think that's the word you're looking for.
I need a good motorboating.
we were ahead in each of the last 6 games
utah lost their starting QB and tailback within the past couple of weeks
a few players mentioned we started the game tough but came out flat in the 2nd half
the collapses yesterday and against wsu were total.
it would be nice to have better talent, but this 90% coaching (or lack thereof). I have never seen a more total lack of halftime adjustments, or inability to motivate a group of young men
utah lost their starting QB and tailback within the past couple of weeks
a few players mentioned we started the game tough but came out flat in the 2nd half
the collapses yesterday and against wsu were total.
it would be nice to have better talent, but this 90% coaching (or lack thereof). I have never seen a more total lack of halftime adjustments, or inability to motivate a group of young men
as stated the oline was just terrible and led to alot of us thinking the play calling was worse than it really was....i saw a whole batch of plays yesterday that were blown up in a second or less just due to outright whiffs by our oline or they were getting pushed back 2-3 yards right into the play call....now why the d just sucked as well in the 2nd half is beyond me....im sure they know we cant score so at 17-7 down they just gave up.
i think about 75% of this is on the staff however, look at some of the teams we beat this year
csu-getting better
nubs-getting better
asu- getting better
ucla-getting better
the total reggression this year and last year for that matter is on the staff!
i ask who would we beat if NOW if we replayed our whole schedule?
i think about 75% of this is on the staff however, look at some of the teams we beat this year
csu-getting better
nubs-getting better
asu- getting better
ucla-getting better
the total reggression this year and last year for that matter is on the staff!
i ask who would we beat if NOW if we replayed our whole schedule?
Master Blaster
Ramblin Wreck from Golden Tech
I think we could at least give New Hampshire a run for their money
yup my take is 1-11 or 2-10 would be a best case if season started today
The defense deserves credit for fighting hard to stem the tide until the dam generally broke in the 4th quarter.
aghcsm
Well-Known Member
Appreciate that the play-calling looks predictable, boring, unimaginative. But if you’ve got quality players (in every position) those plays work and the OC is a star. Starts with getting the players.
I recall when Oklahoma’s wishbone was the hottest thing (70’s). They would get to 3rd and 25, you knew they were running it, and you knew they’d make first down. It was the players.
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Point is, we don't. So that type of play call doesn't work. No ****, if we had Alabama's OL we could do anything we wanted.
Mb2658
Well-Known Member
You never know. Natural disasters can cause people to do some weird ****.Motorboats us? Um, I don't think that's the word you're looking for.