Someone tell me: How is Baylor doing it?

[DBT]

I'm no basketball guy. But I just looked T ESPN's top 60 for 2014. Baylor has the, I think, #11 guy and is in on, like 2&4 as well as several others. What is their secret. Their bball scandal made our football scandal look like a Boy Scout jamboree. What they are doing is unfathomable to me.

Meanwhile, we are doing great. We have, I think, 3 in the 20-30 range and several in the top 60. But Baylor! Man! What are the doing? It is ****ing Waco!

 

[Daaah]

Baylor sucks. We kicked their sorry ass.

"We don't live in Waco."

 

[CVilleBuff]

It's the worst kept secret in college basketball that Baylor under Scott Drew is one of, if not THE dirtiest program there is. They've had some bump-ins with the NCAA over moderate matters, and it's only a matter of time before they get busted for something far more serious. That program reeks under Scott Drew. Here's some numbers: In their entire history, Baylor has 7 NCAA Tournament appearances: 1946, 1948, 1950, 1988, 2008, 2010, 2012. And Baylor fans want to try and tell us with a straight face that Drew just waltzed in after the Dennehy faisco, and within a few years has produced the best teams in Baylor history, stacked his rosters with countless NBA talent, and done this all without breaking NCAA rules?? In '05/'06 Baylor was banned from playing any out of conference games, yet just two seasons later he's got them as a top 20 team and in the NCAA Tournament?? Come the **** on :rofl:

 

[NashBuff]

Some questions about BU has to be raised due to that quick ascent. But let me be the BU apologist here.

BU has a 5,000 sq foot weightroom that is only for the programs that use the Ferrell Center. Also they opened their basketball practice facility in 2006 which would be five years ahead of us. Also in the state of Texas where football is king, doesn't Baylor stick out of the Texas crowd where basketball is perhaps prioritized more than football? You could make a similar argument for Kentucky in the SEC. UCLA in that Cali group in the P12. 'Cuse in New York and Pitt in PA could be a good example. tOSU in Ohio as well UF in Florida.

Haven't we experienced a rise in basketball with Tad and the practice facility? Drew could be BU's Boyle.

Also isn't Bohn trying to emulate a clean version of Baylor where the football team follows the success of basketball? Something to chew on here. At the same time, the OKC Thunder might have taken some support away from OSU and OU. Texas has been beating KU in the basketball revenue but just like in football, money hasn't led to more conference titles in basketball. TCU and WVU clearly have football as #1 on the list. Let's say BU is one of the top three programs in the Big 12 along with UT and KU. Isn't that where we could be at in the P12 with UCLA and Arizona?

Nine of their players are from Texas and where would CU will be without Roberson who is from Texas? They even have a player from XJ's HS in CA.

After they lost half of the season, don't you think they were still on probation for like five years? I don't think the NCAA would take their eyes off of what BU is doing

CVille, when you bring up BU's NCAA tourney appearances, how does that actually compare with CU during that same time frame?

BU does have history of NCAA RVs against them but there are some factors that could be in play here: a school in a large populated state that has basketball ahead of football in the pecking order, impressive facilities, and a winning culture within ther basketball programs. I believe that is what is happening at CU and that winning culture eventually made its way onto the football team at BU...all it took was one special player in RG3. I know that a few MWC schools are doing well in basketball but they don't have the money that CU has and we will eventually come out ahead of those schools.

I know there is a lot of dislike for BU but they could be an example to follow for CU. The P12 schools seem to be investing heavily in football and as a byproduct, basketball has been neglected to a degree.

If BU is cheating, they will eventually get caught but at the same time, I think it is more like :dead-horse-fast2: Over something that happened seven seasons ago and basketball is a sport where quick turnarounds in fortune is easier to accomplish. We got going with Alec Burks then got Roberson and it will keep getting better.

 

[30Something]

I don't intent do come off as a Bailer apologist, but I have a feeling there are fan board for other schools who are, or soon will be, having the same discussion about CU basketball. How the **** is Tad Boyle doing it in Colorado? They've sucked forever. CU must be dirty.

Just sayin'...

 

[MtnBuff]

I don't intent do come off as a Bailer apologist, but I have a feeling there are fan board for other schools who are, or soon will be, having the same discussion about CU basketball. How the **** is Tad Boyle doing it in Colorado? They've sucked forever. CU must be dirty.

Just sayin'...

Difference is that Baylor is . . . . well . . . .Baylor.

This is a former SWC school, a school that had a player kill another player in a drug related incident, a school that has a history of hiring dirty coaches, and overall it is Baylor.

You can ask how is Boyle doing it at CU as well but the answer is different, the culture is different, CU isn't a Baylor which has already proven that it is willing to cheat, with the knowledge of the administration, to achieve its goals.

Baylor may be another schoool like SMU was believing that the NCAA doesn't have the guts or ability to stop them and that the risk is worth taking to get the wins.

 

[Uncle Ken]

DBT,

They sacrifice babies and their pagan goat god delivers highly-ranked recruits.

"But, but...but, they Baptists!" you might say. Well, it's a Young Goodman Brown sorta deal, it turns out..

 

[Buffnik]

I don't intent do come off as a Bailer apologist, but I have a feeling there are fan board for other schools who are, or soon will be, having the same discussion about CU basketball. How the **** is Tad Boyle doing it in Colorado? They've sucked forever. CU must be dirty.

Just sayin'...

Fans are one thing. I don't want to get into this, but there is a major difference between the way other coaches talk about Tad vs how they talk about Drew.

 

[Mick Ronson]

you have to admit what BU has done with their athletic department is pretty impressive over the last few years. HOWEVER, the smoke about Drew has been out there for a while. i used to read UT, ATM, OU, and OSU hoops boards and almost from day 1 there were rumors about Drew being dirty. he and Rick Barnes basically dared each other to go mutually assured destruction in the media a few years ago....as far as recruiting.

i also suspect in a moron-driven place like Texas, the private school world of BU seems like some elite island of prestige even though BU is a good but not great school. i think that appeals to some kids....like USC does in the real world, non-texas version of reality. Baptist bling.

strange world these days.

Tad won an NCAA game with a rag tag crew with almost no real outside shooting or big man. few years ago Drew missed the NCAA with Curtis Jerrells, Aaron Bruce, and Tweety Carter....Jerrells was a helluva player.

 

[fwbuff]

NashBuff, I can promise you that basketball is not bigger than football at Baylor. It's Texas, football will still always be king.

As for their basketball ascendancy, perhaps it can be partially traced to the collapses of every other (former) Big XII South program, all of whom have had decent to good programs in the recent past. So a little less competition for top talent. Although Okie St seems to be getting back on track this year. But as others have pointed out, I think the biggest reason is there is A LOT of smoke that Drew is as dirty as they come.

 

[Quattro]

I don't intent do come off as a Bailer apologist, but I have a feeling there are fan board for other schools who are, or soon will be, having the same discussion about CU basketball. How the **** is Tad Boyle doing it in Colorado? They've sucked forever. CU must be dirty.

Just sayin'...

You cannot tell me that Drew can these kinds of classes to Waco ****ing Texas after a murder scandal...

5* - 3 (0.3/year)
4* - 18 (1.8/year)
3* - 15 (1.5/year)
2* - 3 (0.3/year)

And then there's also this (they polled different coaches in D1 basketball):

The question: Who is perceived by college coaches to be the biggest cheater in the sport?

• John Calipari (Kentucky): 36 percent
• Scott Drew (Baylor): 34 percent
• Ben Howland (UCLA): 12 percent
• Jim Calhoun (Connecticut): 7 percent
• Tom Crean (Indiana): 3 percent
• Dave Rice (UNLV): 3 percent

On Scott Drew: "I don't even have to blink when I say the answer. He's despised by a lot of people because he comes off holier than God. Meanwhile, everyone knows he's had to cheat big-time to get the program to where it's at. If it wasn't for the God stuff he wouldn't rub people the wrong way as much."

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebas...ceived-to-be-the-biggest-cheater-in-the-sport

There is not a doubt in my mind that Baylor is the second biggest cheaters in college basketball behind Kentucky.

 

[NashBuff]

One other explaination: Waco is 1 1/2 hour away from Dallas, College Station, and Austin. Since there is nothing to do, perhaps all they can do is practice.

George W. Bush's Crawford home is 20 minutes west of Waco...not a bad idea if you want people to leave you alone.

 

[Goose]

There is not a doubt in my mind that Baylor is the second biggest cheaters in college basketball behind Kentucky.

I'd put them #1. Kentucky cheats (hell, EVERYONE cheats), but they at least try to hide it. Baylor is out in the open.

 

[GoBuffs!!]

I'd put them #1. Kentucky cheats (hell, EVERYONE cheats), but they at least try to hide it. Baylor is out in the open.

At this point, how much does Kentucky really need to cheat? Everyone knows that you can go there, play a year and go to the NBA. I dont think they need to cheat as much as other programs trying to rebuild (Baylor).

I mean, who's parent would even let your kid look at a school like Baylor after a MURDER Scandal, we arent talking about guys getting some hookers and blow, its a MURDER scandal.

 

[Quattro]

I'd put them #1. Kentucky cheats (hell, EVERYONE cheats), but they at least try to hide it. Baylor is out in the open.

Well I'm convinced.

**** Bailor!