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Starting QB

NYbuffDIEHARD

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Let me preface this by saying I was pleased in pre season when Webb was named the starter. I figured his experience in games would give us the best chance to win. After seeing the first 3 games I am surprised he is still starting. I have to admit I didn't watch much of the 2nd half at Fresno as I couldn't stomach it so not sure what Wood did, or how he looked but clearly neither of them did a damn thing. So what are people thinking here, should Wood get the nod?
 
At this point I really don't think it matters. None of our QBs can move the ball, either b/c they suck, because our line sucks, because our coaches suck or all of the above.

Either way we are staring at potentially allowing an opponent to get to the century mark and likely not ever breaking the 20 point barrier on offense even when our opponents put in their 5th stringers and fans who play a little flag football on the weekends.
 
boydbuff said:
At this point I really don't think it matters. None of our QBs can move the ball, either b/c they suck, because our line sucks, because our coaches suck or all of the above.

Either way we are staring at potentially allowing an opponent to get to the century mark and likely not ever breaking the 20 point barrier on offense even when our opponents put in their 5th stringers and fans who play a little flag football on the weekends.
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This is why I say ditch the no huddle, we need to slow the game down as much as possible. I would much rather get a delay of game penalty than another false start because we are rushing things.
 
I thought Hirshman looked the best, personally. It wasn't a tough beauty contest to win, what with Webb and Wood both throwing Pick-6s and looking completely lost.
 
My preference would be for them to let Wood start the game, not come in when they're already down 21-0 after 5 minutes of play. He had good arm strength, but made weird decisions. Let him come in with the first 10-15 plays scripted and see what he can do. We know Webb isn't the answer, why does he keep getting chances to play when it matters and Wood/Hirsch come in when the game is over and the opponent doesn't have to respect anything the offense is doing?
 
wsp4820 said:
My preference would be for them to let Wood start the game, not come in when they're already down 21-0 after 5 minutes of play. He had good arm strength, but made weird decisions. Let him come in with the first 10-15 plays scripted and see what he can do. We know Webb isn't the answer, why does he keep getting chances to play when it matters and Wood/Hirsch come in when the game is over and the opponent doesn't have to respect anything the offense is doing?
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I think we know the answer to this.
 
Remember those couple of drives in the first half of the CSU game that actually had me excited for what may be ahead, we marched down and scored two td's consecutively. How did we do that? Well we called some simple WR screens and short pass plays designed to be completed for short gains, which they were. 4, 5 6 yard completions that kept us out of long yardage situations. It also opened up a few decent run plays and more importantly openened up longer pass plays that worked. I am no O coordinator but where did that play calling go?

It is win win! Plays like that, loosen up the defense, it gives our QB some confidence, it gets the ball out quick so our QB doesn't get killed with our lack of talent at O-line and it opens up the run game. It isn't rocket science, call some plays that will succeed early and give these guys some confidence and by all means give the defense some time to rest with a few sustained drives.
 
NYbuffDIEHARD said:
Remember those couple of drives in the first half of the CSU game that actually had me excited for what may be ahead, we marched down and scored two td's consecutively. How did we do that? Well we called some simple WR screens and short pass plays designed to be completed for short gains, which they were. 4, 5 6 yard completions that kept us out of long yardage situations. It also opened up a few decent run plays and more importantly openened up longer pass plays that worked. I am no O coordinator but where did that play calling go?

It is win win! Plays like that, loosen up the defense, it gives our QB some confidence, it gets the ball out quick so our QB doesn't get killed with our lack of talent at O-line and it opens up the run game. It isn't rocket science, call some plays that will succeed early and give these guys some confidence and by all means give the defense some time to rest with a few sustained drives.
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I think they tried that with the one or more of the following results on every play: wr drops ball, qb throws uncatchable ball, qb gets sacked, qb throws int, rb gets stuck behind line of scrimmage,
 
Embree's said that he'll keep the same rotation - all three, perhaps. What's that ancient proverb?

"When teams have two QBs, that means they don't have one. When they have three, it means they don't have a coach."
 
NYbuffDIEHARD said:
Remember those couple of drives in the first half of the CSU game that actually had me excited for what may be ahead, we marched down and scored two td's consecutively. How did we do that? Well we called some simple WR screens and short pass plays designed to be completed for short gains, which they were. 4, 5 6 yard completions that kept us out of long yardage situations. It also opened up a few decent run plays and more importantly openened up longer pass plays that worked. I am no O coordinator but where did that play calling go?
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Don't forget to add that CSU might be the worst team we play. They are better than us but so is Sacramento State. **** I can't believe we lost to another FCS school at home. I might be in the denial stage still.
 
Unbelievable. We have seen Webb. He isn't the answer. Wood and Hirsch have cannons for arms. They look tentaitve and make questionable throws (this comment applies mainly to Wood since Hirsch threw the ball a grand total of 3 times). We know the Jr. cannot be the guy, maybe one of the sophs can. Give them tons of game time reps with a view towards settling on one and moving forward. The season is shot, you might as well use this as time to see whether you have somebody, or you should use the sping to get Dillon ready.
 
if the old saying is "Playing 2 QB's means you dont have a QB" what does playing 3 mean ? Connor Wood had not taken a live snap in almost 3 years, and he played as well as Webb with his 20 starts. This should be a 2 horse race, and Webb should not even be in the discussion. JE is making decisions like a man that thinks he will be fired and needs to grasp at straws. If he really believed he was safe, he would put one of the kids in and let him have a game, he fails, get the next one ready for next week. This would be the drill all the way down to Schrock, and Doorman.
Leach hates CU we have consistently harrassed his wide spread OL and kicked ***** on his qb's, if he get the chance, he will throttle us like UH with David Klingler
 
leftybuff said:
Unbelievable. We have seen Webb. He isn't the answer. Wood and Hirsch have cannons for arms. They look tentaitve and make questionable throws (this comment applies mainly to Wood since Hirsch threw the ball a grand total of 3 times). We know the Jr. cannot be the guy, maybe one of the sophs can. Give them tons of game time reps with a view towards settling on one and moving forward. The season is shot, you might as well use this as time to see whether you have somebody, or you should use the sping to get Dillon ready.
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Gotta see what you have for the future at this point. I would recommend as much ball control as possible. Run the ball, short passes and the occasional long one to try and keep them honest. Easier throws and reads to get the new QBs some confidence. We need to keep posession as much as possible to minimize the damage from opponents offense. Sounds good on paper, but since we probably can't execute this plan, I don't know what to recommend. Nonetheless, a little experience for Wood, Hirsh, Schrock, Dorman (whoever), can't possibly hurt at this point.
 
CUFan said:
Gotta see what you have for the future at this point. I would recommend as much ball control as possible. Run the ball, short passes and the occasional long one to try and keep them honest. Easier throws and reads to get the new QBs some confidence. We need to keep posession as much as possible to minimize the damage from opponents offense. Sounds good on paper, but since we probably can't execute this plan, I don't know what to recommend. Nonetheless, a little experience for Wood, Hirsh, Schrock, Dorman (whoever), can't possibly hurt at this point.
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I think that this is where Hawk and Embree are causing a large part of their problems. The try to get "cute" with their offenses without ever establishing an offensive identity. Embree wants a smashmouth west coast offense, but then decides to implement a hurry up strategy when he has zero returning skill position players from last year, and a starting qb that had been in camp for 3 weeks. Smart coaching is playing conservatively, while building up your players and playbook through experience and success.
 
My first post didnt show for some reason, Id go with Wood from the get go. He needs live reps, of course he looked shaky, got thrown in already down and felt pressure to get it all back every throw. Id live and die with him, never gonna see what u got when u rotate. Webb weve already seen.
 
Buffs would be 2-1 if we had a decent QB. Since we don't, the buffs should be running 80% of the time. Give Hirshman or Dorman the start, at this point, it doesn't matter.
 
Time to see what we've got in Stevie and Schrock can do. I just hope that whatever they do, they don't take the redshirt off Dillon(He's almost healthy). That would kill his confidence and he would most likely get hurt. It's INSANE that we're starting Webb again. He's easily one of the worst QBs in Div-I.
 
Just run the wildcat the whole game. "Powell up the middle.." "Sweep right with Powell the ball carrier..." "And on third down it looks like the ball is going to Powell again..."
 
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