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A few random notes:

* Last night UCONN allowed only 0.9 points per possession to Kentucky. Prior to last night, Kentucky had put up 1.21, 1.32, 1.16 and 1.26 in the previous four games. They averaged 1.18 for the year.
* In fact, after giving up 1.15 ppp to ISU (the #6 team in the nation in offensive ratings in KenPom), UCONN allowed 0.9 ppp to Michigan State and 0.93 ppp to Florida. Even with the ISU game, UCONN finished below 1.0 ppp on defense for the tourney.
* UCONN only shot 31.6% from 3 last night, and only 36.3% from 3 in the tourney.
* UCONN was 230th in bench minutes this season.
* Kentucky was 306th in bench minutes this season.

Having top line starters who are smart and play great D wins. TadBall wins.
 
Tadball lost in the 1st round by 30 points.

It's good that Boyle's teams generally play good defense. But if they don't start doing something on the offensive side of the ball they are never going to get any better than they are right now.
 
Lt.Col.FrankSlade said:
Tadball lost in the 1st round by 30 points.

It's good that Boyle's teams generally play good defense. But if they don't start doing something on the offensive side of the ball they are never going to get any better than they are right now.
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They were better offensively this year than the year they beat UNLV in the tournament
 
Lt.Col.FrankSlade said:
Tadball lost in the 1st round by 30 points.

It's good that Boyle's teams generally play good defense. But if they don't start doing something on the offensive side of the ball they are never going to get any better than they are right now.
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That wasn't tadball, yo.
 
Defend, rebound and get to the FT line.

We didn't do any of those things consistently well this season and Tad still coached the team to the Dance. Amazing.

Next year should be a major step forward. Buffs will be a dangerous team.
 
Buffnik said:
Defend, rebound and get to the FT line.

We didn't do any of those things consistently well this season and Tad still coached the team to the Dance. Amazing.

Next year should be a major step forward. Buffs will be a dangerous team.
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I will believe it when I see it. Need a lot of guys to really improve, and some of them need to make revolutionary, not evolutionary, improvement for that to the be case.
 
Buffnik said:
Defend, rebound and get to the FT line.

We didn't do any of those things consistently well this season and Tad still coached the team to the Dance. Amazing.

Next year should be a major step forward. Buffs will be a dangerous team.
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Define "dangerous" please.

If you mean - "finish in the top 6 of the Pac-12" -- I agree with you.
If you mean - "compete to win the Pac-12 regular season title" -- I disagree and find that very unlikely.
 
Lt.Col.FrankSlade said:
Define "dangerous" please.

If you mean - "finish in the top 6 of the Pac-12" -- I agree with you.
If you mean - "compete to win the Pac-12 regular season title" -- I disagree and find that very unlikely.
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With Spencer, I mean "compete to win the Pac-12 regular season title and position for the seeding to make a deep tourney run".

Without Spencer, I mean "finish in the top 4 of the Pac-12 and make the Dance again with a good shot to get a win".
 
Buffnik said:
With Spencer, I mean "compete to win the Pac-12 regular season title and position for the seeding to make a deep tourney run".

Without Spencer, I mean "finish in the top 4 of the Pac-12 and make the Dance again with a good shot to get a win".
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Wow. I think both of those are unlikely. My expectations for the future of the Buff basketball program haven't quite reached that high. I am still thrilled just to get NCAA tournament invites. There will have to be significant progress in talent and coaching (schemes, offense, etc) to get to the level you are thinking of.
 
Darth Snow said:
I will believe it when I see it. Need a lot of guys to really improve, and some of them need to make revolutionary, not evolutionary, improvement for that to the be case.
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This. Outside of (good) Ski and Jelly, there are just waaay too many question marks. High upside, yes.
 
Lt.Col.FrankSlade said:
Wow. I think both of those are unlikely. My expectations for the future of the Buff basketball program haven't quite reached that high. I am still thrilled just to get NCAA tournament invites. There will have to be significant progress in talent and coaching (schemes, offense, etc) to get to the level you are thinking of.
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I think you're selling this team short. They're better than you give them credit for. They got waxed in the tournament and that's our lasting memory of them. The team we see next year has the potential to be a lot better than the one we saw this year. I tend to agree with Nik's assessment. With or without Spencer, this is a team that can do a lot of damage.
 
Lt.Col.FrankSlade said:
Wow. I think both of those are unlikely. My expectations for the future of the Buff basketball program haven't quite reached that high. I am still thrilled just to get NCAA tournament invites. There will have to be significant progress in talent and coaching (schemes, offense, etc) to get to the level you are thinking of.
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Is top 4 and top 6 all that different? Recent results suggest it's not. We were 14-2 with Spencer with wins over Oregon, Kansas and Harvard. We still finished in 5th despite losing Spencer a handful of games into an 18 game conference schedule.

Not too shabby, iyam. I also don't think your expectations are all that different from nik's.
 
I'm probably drinking some major kool aid here, but let me ask this: If Spencer Dinwiddie returns at 100%, how is Colorado much different from UConn this year? The Buffs would have a lot of experience in the backcourt and probably a better front court.

Granted, there's probably at least a 50% chance Dinwiddie leaves and it took a lot of things to fall right for UConn to win it all, but theoretically it's possible.
 
Lt.Col.FrankSlade said:
Wow. I think both of those are unlikely. My expectations for the future of the Buff basketball program haven't quite reached that high. I am still thrilled just to get NCAA tournament invites. There will have to be significant progress in talent and coaching (schemes, offense, etc) to get to the level you are thinking of.
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What? You just saw the team do Nik's 2nd scenario without Dinwiddie for the most part. Tied for 3rd in the conference and got a 5 seed by way of tiebreakers, and came within an OT loss at CAL of winning 3rd place outright. Tad has a good track record with player development, and the only player they lose from the post injury team is Mills.
 
Scotch said:
Tad has a good track record with player development, and the only player they lose from the post injury team is Mills.
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I agree. I just don't know if we'll see the development we hope for by next season. For that reason, I'm leaning in the direction of snow and the show-me camp. For all the back and forth on the board about offense vs. defense, this team just wasn't as good at Tad Ball as the last two. I did a half-assed search for points allowed per possession and couldn't find it (not a ken pom subscriber). But our defensive FG% bears that out.
 
rolandftw said:
I'm probably drinking some major kool aid here, but let me ask this: If Spencer Dinwiddie returns at 100%, how is Colorado much different from UConn this year? The Buffs would have a lot of experience in the backcourt and probably a better front court.

Granted, there's probably at least a 50% chance Dinwiddie leaves and it took a lot of things to fall right for UConn to win it all, but theoretically it's possible.
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UConn is a major anomaly and like you said it took a lot for them to win. They won their first round game in OT after all. It's always nice to dream, but I sure as hell wouldn't be counting on that.
 
cubuffs85 said:
UConn is a major anomaly and like you said it took a lot for them to win. They won their first round game in OT after all. It's always nice to dream, but I sure as hell wouldn't be counting on that.
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Beating St Joe's, Villanova, Iowa St, Michigan St, Florida and Kentucky is no fluke though. Everyone was talking about Kentucky's run, but damn that's impressive.
 
CUwhit21 said:
Beating St Joe's, Villanova, Iowa St, Michigan St, Florida and Kentucky is no fluke though. Everyone was talking about Kentucky's run, but damn that's impressive.
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They got hot at the right time, they weren't the best team this year. I doubt they could duplicate that again, they weren't much better than St. Joes after all.
 
cubuffs85 said:
They got hot at the right time, they weren't the best team this year. I doubt they could duplicate that again, they weren't much better than St. Joes after all.
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Most years, if you replayed the tourney you would get a different champion. It's maybe 1 out of 4 years there's a team that's dominant enough that they'd likely win every time they laced em up. (Kentucky a few years ago wasn't getting beat, for example.)
 
Buffnik said:
Most years, if you replayed the tourney you would get a different champion. It's maybe 1 out of 4 years there's a team that's dominant enough that they'd likely win every time they laced em up. (Kentucky a few years ago wasn't getting beat, for example.)
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Fair point and it was definitely relatively speaking wide open this year but UConn was still an unlikely champion. My point with UConn here is it's much more likely they would've lost earlier than the typical champion.
 
For all the defense/TadBall haters out there go look up the records of team who hold their opponents to under .9 Points per Poss.
 
cubuffs85 said:
UConn is a major anomaly and like you said it took a lot for them to win. They won their first round game in OT after all. It's always nice to dream, but I sure as hell wouldn't be counting on that.
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Wasn't trying to imply that I was expecting that, just that it could happen. Colorado, with a healthy Dinwiddie, could be an Elite 8/Final 4 type of team.
 
rolandftw said:
Wasn't trying to imply that I was expecting that, just that it could happen. Colorado, with a healthy Dinwiddie, could be an Elite 8/Final 4 type of team.
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Are people seriously trying to compare Colorado's basketball program to UConn's basketball program? As though with a bounce here or there, CU might have won this tournament?

Tad Boyle has built Colorado into a nice basketball program - but they are a long ways from an elite basketball program. CU as a team has gone 1-3 in the NCAA tournament in the past 10 years, and 2-5 in the past 20 years. Colorado hasn't made it past the 2nd day of the tournament since the 1950's.

UConn has won 4 NCAA tournament championships in the past 15 years.
 
rolandftw said:
Wasn't trying to imply that I was expecting that, just that it could happen. Colorado, with a healthy Dinwiddie, could be an Elite 8/Final 4 type of team.
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Yeah, I agree here. Pre-injury, we all thought this could be a S16 team and possibly longer. If we got a few breaks, I could see it.
 
Lt.Col.FrankSlade said:
Are people seriously trying to compare Colorado's basketball program to UConn's basketball program? As though with a bounce here or there, CU might have won this tournament?

Tad Boyle has built Colorado into a nice basketball program - but they are a long ways from an elite basketball program. CU as a team has gone 1-3 in the NCAA tournament in the past 10 years, and 2-5 in the past 20 years. Colorado hasn't made it past the 2nd day of the tournament since the 1950's.

UConn has won 4 NCAA tournament championships in the past 15 years.
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Everyone would argue that UConn has accomplished a lot more then Colorado in the last 15 years. Not really debatable. They've had more success then any team in College Basketball during that stretch. Obviously, UConn has the better program. Just not sure the National Champs are much, if any, better then a 2014 Buffs team with a 100% Dinwiddie returning.

My point is that CU's 2014 team, possibly, might not be much worse talent wise then the current National Champions.
 
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