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Ted Miller and Pac-12 attendance

NashBuff

CSU Knob-Slobberer
http://espn.go.com/blog/pac10/post/_/id/19026/attendance-and-passion-in-pac-12#comments

Gotta love this comment from Miller (I believe he is telling the truth here):

Still, in terms of considering the Pac-12's new members for a potential road trip, you might want to prepare for an environment that equates more to Autzen and Husky Stadiums than for a more subdued venue.
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Can't wait 'till Cal (if they play at CU), WSU, Oregon, USC, and Arizona visit Boulder.

I want to give UW Husky fans props for supporting their team during those lean years just like we have supported our team during the Hawkins years.
 
Miller got on my bad side the other day:

But there's annually a little of the ole "throw them into the hat" in the middle of the Pac-12. It's easy to see a top (Oregon and Stanford) and bottom (Colorado and Washington State), but the middle is a bit of a muddle, and that's the case most years.
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must be nice as a writer/speculator to get your audience to accept the "muddle" as a "go-to analytic" to describe your topic. takes the pressure off to be accurate or even close. your own inaccuracy is wired into the concept. if you were "right", you'd be the wrench in the system..."knowing" would thereby be the condition of insanity in the operation!

"Hey, it's a muddle, what can you do?...."....."it's always a muddle!".

we won't finish 2nd to last. FACT.
 
Ted Miller is a jack ass you can tell he thinks that the PAC 10 is too good for CU but his views are typical of any national sports writer these days. If you are not in the top 25 and did not have a good record last year then they throw everything else regarding your program out the window. Screw him, I look forward to him eating some crowe next year.
 
87% of capacity with a Hawkins coached team is a testament to Mike Bohn. Can you imagine what that figure would be if Dick Tharp were still the AD?
 
NashBuff said:
We would be preparing for our first season in the MWC.
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:lol:

Actually, I heard through a completely unreliable source that one of the people directly involved in getting CU to move to the Pac was none other than Dick Tharp himself. The story goes that CU didn't want to have Bohn directly involved and subject to airport spies and such. Tharp was able to do a lot of behind the scenes stuff to get CU the bid. Tharp definitely has his talents, but putting butts in the seats and handling a media shizznitstorm aren't among them.
 
Stanford fans are pretty weak in my opinion. I went to the finale against OSU this year over Thanksgiving while visiting family in San Jose and there were multiple sections of empty stands - in their 50k+ brand new stadium there was not more than 30 thousand people there. I could understand if it was empty in the third quarter - we left then because the score was like 31-0 but I'm talking at the start of the game.

Sure Stanford is a smaller private school but it was the last home game of their best season in program history and up to that point, it would have been Luck's last home game. Pretty lame if you ask me. -- Don't get me started on UCLA ha - I guess they don't carry the LA market with their 65 percent attendence either.
 
Stanford's problem with attendance stems from their location, IMO. They're not a very large school, which means they don't have a large alumni base. They are located in an area with two NFL teams and a much larger D-1 school all within an hour drive. We like to lament that there are too many options for the leisure dollar here, and that's why we have a hard time selling out our stadium. Well, they have all that and more in Palo Alto. In terms of football offerings, Stanford is a distant #4 in the Bay Area.
It's kind of a shame, though. The game-day experience is much better in Palo Alto than in Berkley. Stanford offers a fantastic tailgating scene. You can't tailgate at all at Cal. Tickets are inexpensive, parking is cheap, the weather is nice, and the football (at least under Harbaugh) is fantastic.
 
BuffNut99 said:
Miller got on my bad side the other day:
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It's mind-boggling to me how short a memory people have, acting like we've typically always been a doormat. It was a miserable run under Hawk, but I don't think the damage is so bad that the 17th (still 17th after these 5 miserable years) ranked program in all-time wins is destined to forever be a doormat. Only one Pac-12 school is ahead of CU in that regard -- USC. It's going to be so fulfilling when this ridiculous perception is put to rest.

CU definitely has one of the strongest fan-bases in the Pac-12. As was mentioned above, it's very impressive that attendance was able to hold up the way it did given our miserable record under Hawkins. When other Pac-12 schools have gone through tough times recently, things have gotten far worse in terms of attendance. As terrible as the Cal game was, it was awesome to see so many Buff fans on the road supporting their team. If we can do that at Cal under Hawk, I can't wait to see what we bring once Embree & Co get us rolling again. Can't wait to flood Pasadena with Black and Gold for Slick Rick to behold this November
 
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sackman said:
Stanford's problem with attendance stems from their location, IMO. They're not a very large school, which means they don't have a large alumni base. They are located in an area with two NFL teams and a much larger D-1 school all within an hour drive. We like to lament that there are too many options for the leisure dollar here, and that's why we have a hard time selling out our stadium. Well, they have all that and more in Palo Alto. In terms of football offerings, Stanford is a distant #4 in the Bay Area.
It's kind of a shame, though. The game-day experience is much better in Palo Alto than in Berkley. Stanford offers a fantastic tailgating scene. You can't tailgate at all at Cal. Tickets are inexpensive, parking is cheap, the weather is nice, and the football (at least under Harbaugh) is fantastic.
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Another issue that compounds football attendance at Stanford is that they are on the quarter system, which means the students aren't in until the last week of September, typically their first 2 home games are played long before classes start. Combine that with a school that is about the size of a class at CU and you have a hard time putting up any attendance numbers.

UCLA is in a tough spot stadium way off campus, been terrible for god knows how many years, bad sight lines, 100K seat stadium. Sacky mentioned to the tailgate at Stanford, it is just as good at UCLA.
 
sackman said:
:lol:

Actually, I heard through a completely unreliable source that one of the people directly involved in getting CU to move to the Pac was none other than Dick Tharp himself. The story goes that CU didn't want to have Bohn directly involved and subject to airport spies and such. Tharp was able to do a lot of behind the scenes stuff to get CU the bid. Tharp definitely has his talents, but putting butts in the seats and handling a media shizznitstorm aren't among them.
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Tharpe being the chief negotiator was reported by both the Camera and the Post.
 
absinthe said:
Another issue that compounds football attendance at Stanford is that they are on the quarter system, which means the students aren't in until the last week of September, typically their first 2 home games are played long before classes start. Combine that with a school that is about the size of a class at CU and you have a hard time putting up any attendance numbers.
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Yep. Plus, a lot of the alumni that they do have don't consider football to be much more than a game played by neanderthals and not worthy of any serious attention on their part. My B-I-L got his masters from Stanford and I think he's been to more CU games than Stanford games since he left there. He lives about 30 minutes from the Stanford campus. Football just isn't his thing.
 
sackman said:
Stanford's problem with attendance stems from their location, IMO. They're not a very large school, which means they don't have a large alumni base. They are located in an area with two NFL teams and a much larger D-1 school all within an hour drive. We like to lament that there are too many options for the leisure dollar here, and that's why we have a hard time selling out our stadium. Well, they have all that and more in Palo Alto. In terms of football offerings, Stanford is a distant #4 in the Bay Area.
It's kind of a shame, though. The game-day experience is much better in Palo Alto than in Berkley. Stanford offers a fantastic tailgating scene. You can't tailgate at all at Cal. Tickets are inexpensive, parking is cheap, the weather is nice, and the football (at least under Harbaugh) is fantastic.
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Plus, Cal has Tightwad Hill - endless humor there
 
Got a Buffs question in Yoda-Webster-Ubben's chat today:



Brad (Denver)

Since this may be your last chat before Colorado (and Nebraska) officially go to the other blogs (CU's logo already in Ted Miller's blog)... Do you have anything nice to say about the Buffs, past or present? Not as hard as some may think... Thanks.

David Ubben (3:45 PM)

Really enjoyed getting to know some of their players and coaches this year. Scotty McKnight and Nate Solder are both class acts. And Boulder was the Big 12's most gorgeous campus by far.
 
sackman said:
:lol:

Actually, I heard through a completely unreliable source that one of the people directly involved in getting CU to move to the Pac was none other than Dick Tharp himself. The story goes that CU didn't want to have Bohn directly involved and subject to airport spies and such. Tharp was able to do a lot of behind the scenes stuff to get CU the bid. Tharp definitely has his talents, but putting butts in the seats and handling a media shizznitstorm aren't among them.
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Glad you found the MWC thing funny...DH3 would go bersek.

Tharp being the lead man for the P10 stuff...that explains why it seems like CU did this move quietly. I wonder if Tharp is still encouraging Bohn to finsih the 2010 plan he had for the Buffs?
 
AustinBuff03 said:
Screw him, I look forward to him eating some crowe next year.
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Oy! what's that you're sayin' about that nancy eatin' me?!
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BuffNut99 said:
Got a Buffs question in Yoda-Webster-Ubben's chat today:



Brad (Denver)

Since this may be your last chat before Colorado (and Nebraska) officially go to the other blogs (CU's logo already in Ted Miller's blog)... Do you have anything nice to say about the Buffs, past or present? Not as hard as some may think... Thanks.

David Ubben (3:45 PM)

Really enjoyed getting to know some of their players and coaches this year. Scotty McKnight and Nate Solder are both class acts. And Boulder was the Big 12's most gorgeous campus by far.
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Weak.
 
sackman said:
87% of capacity with a Hawkins coached team is a testament to Mike Bohn. Can you imagine what that figure would be if Dick Tharp were still the AD?
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Gotta give Bohn credit for getting butts in the seats for sure even though he was giving tickets away I still appreciate the efforts.
 
Folsom is the Carnigie Hall of college football stadiums.

It's not the biggest and it doesn't have all the bells and whistles of the newer facilities.

But it's a classic venue in a great setting. It's tough to beat the CU and Boulder experience on a football Saturday.
 
Skidmark said:
Folsom is the Carnigie Hall of college football stadiums.

It's not the biggest and it doesn't have all the bells and whistles of the newer facilities.

But it's a classic venue in a great setting. It's tough to beat the CU and Boulder experience on a football Saturday.
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And it's in the process of getting better without the types of renovations that would compromise its character and charm. I can't wait to see new scoreboards and hear a new audio system.
 
Ya the new Video Board going up in the North Endzone is going to be nuts. Bout three times bigger than the current one and all screen (not framed in by ads)
 
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sackman said:
Stanford's problem with attendance stems from their location, IMO. They're not a very large school, which means they don't have a large alumni base. They are located in an area with two NFL teams and a much larger D-1 school all within an hour drive. We like to lament that there are too many options for the leisure dollar here, and that's why we have a hard time selling out our stadium. Well, they have all that and more in Palo Alto. In terms of football offerings, Stanford is a distant #4 in the Bay Area.
It's kind of a shame, though. The game-day experience is much better in Palo Alto than in Berkley. Stanford offers a fantastic tailgating scene. You can't tailgate at all at Cal. Tickets are inexpensive, parking is cheap, the weather is nice, and the football (at least under Harbaugh) is fantastic.
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Just when I thought we were going to be friends... ;-)

Stanford doesn't have a huge alumni base, that's true. The bigger problem is that they have no idea how to be a fan -- that you go no matter how good the team is or isn't, that you go because going to a game is awesome.. They are just lame fans. Also their marketing department is horrendously bad. They had billboards all over the Bay Area a year or so ago with their genius slogan "We Work". This is at the Harvard of the West. Gimme a break.

As for the game experience at Cal, I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. It's not the same as what I'm sure you're used to, but I would say it's still a great experience. There's no other stadium that I'm aware of that you can see one of the world's major cities from, the ocean, and 3 bridges. And tailgating at bars is fun once you get used to it (I hope you went to Top Dog last year before or after the game).
 
Shldr2Shldr said:
Ya its part of the Glory Colorado project that was responsible for renovating the CEC and adding the new Practice Facility. Idk when they are going to start it but its supposed to cover the width between the two "chimneys" . Will replace the entire board that is up there now

http://www.cufund.org/wp-content/themes/cufoundation/images/brochures/Glorycolorado.pdf

in there on page 8
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I notice how when trying to sell the work they want to do they put in page 7 a cute girl--and a bit of a butt shot. Wonder why they didn't use BCS or TG?
 
Darian3Hagan said:
Gotta give Bohn credit for getting butts in the seats for sure even though he was giving tickets away I still appreciate the efforts.
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Jesus Christ D3H, will you ever remove your lips from Bohn's ass?

Look, I think he's doing a bang-up job, but sometimes you embarrass me when you go on and on.
 
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