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Texas A&M About To Tell The Big 12 Bye Bye ?

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surprised this hasn't been posted yet-

http://tamu.scout.com/2/1090643.html

sounds like the damage may have already been done....
ESPN and Texas are in-bed with each other and the rest of the B12 are not pleased-

Are the dominoes about to be knocked over?


If the Pac 12 feels it has to go to 16 teams I'd be ok with OU, Okie St, KU & Mizzou- best of the remaining Big 8.
Put those teams in a 'Mid-West' POD- expand the PAC brand into the Central time zone- lock down Okie City, Tulsa,
KC and St Louis television markets and bring some good basketball into the conference.

I'd rather the Pac 12 stay at 12 but IMHO it's just a matter of time before Super Conferences are here.
 
It looks like MU and A&M talk is picking up serious steam right now. OU has been told by the SEC that they can't take Okie Lite with them. Texas Tech is putting out feelers to the Pac-12. KU & KSU to the Big East as well. Texas looks like they will have to go indpendent and the big question is who will the 16th Pac-12 school be? It would have to be New Mexico if Texas backs out.
 
surprised this hasn't been posted yet-

http://tamu.scout.com/2/1090643.html

sounds like the damage may have already been done....
ESPN and Texas are in-bed with each other and the rest of the B12 are not pleased-

Are the dominoes about to be knocked over?


If the Pac 12 feels it has to go to 16 teams I'd be ok with OU, Okie St, KU & Mizzou- best of the remaining Big 8.
Put those teams in a 'Mid-West' POD- expand the PAC brand into the Central time zone- lock down Okie City, Tulsa,
KC and St Louis television markets and bring some good basketball into the conference.

I'd rather the Pac 12 stay at 12 but IMHO it's just a matter of time before Super Conferences are here.

I think adding KU and Mizzou are good potentials. KU at least has the BBall tradition that will add to the Pac. I think the Pac would also welcome OU with their football tradition, and take Okie Lite if needed to seal the deal (although I don't think OU would be happy with the road travel). This is probably the ideal package for a Pac-16 all things considered...

The Pac would take Texas, but only if Texas submitted to all the Pac requirements (meaning they are a no go). Texas will never dictate terms to the Pac if they want to join. We wouldn't accept it. I don't know if any other Texas schools would be worthy or interested...

It will be very interesting to see how the dominoes fall if aTm leaves the Bix 12-2....

UNM would seal off the West, but I don't think their academics would ever pass for a Pac-level institution....

I don't see any other schools in the Mountain time zone or West that would be candidates either (and Boise St will never be invited due to poor academics).
 
I might come off as completely idiotic here but why not SDSU? Academics? I'm not too familiar with San Diego state. Are they better than New Mexico?
 
I might come off as completely idiotic here but why not SDSU? Academics? I'm not too familiar with San Diego state. Are they better than New Mexico?

There is already four California schools within the Pac-12 and I don't think there will be another one.
 
I might come off as completely idiotic here but why not SDSU? Academics? I'm not too familiar with San Diego state. Are they better than New Mexico?

I would think that Fresno State would have more of an appeal based on recent years performance. I know SDSU would potentially lock up a big media market, but FSU with their "take on all comers" stance the past dozen years has had a pretty wide appeal, and would give the PAC a lockdown on the entirety of the state, from LA to SF. But, like you with SDSU, I know nothing about FSU's academics.
 
I think adding KU and Mizzou are good potentials. KU at least has the BBall tradition that will add to the Pac. I think the Pac would also welcome OU with their football tradition, and take Okie Lite if needed to seal the deal (although I don't think OU would be happy with the road travel). This is probably the ideal package for a Pac-16 all things considered...

The Pac would take Texas, but only if Texas submitted to all the Pac requirements (meaning they are a no go). Texas will never dictate terms to the Pac if they want to join. We wouldn't accept it. I don't know if any other Texas schools would be worthy or interested...

It will be very interesting to see how the dominoes fall if aTm leaves the Bix 12-2....

UNM would seal off the West, but I don't think their academics would ever pass for a Pac-level institution....

I don't see any other schools in the Mountain time zone or West that would be candidates either (and Boise St will never be invited due to poor academics).

The reason why UNM keeps popping up is that they are Texas Tech's biggest non-conference rival. OU-OSU is already taken so they have to come up with somebody for TT. It won't be TCU for sure due to the Pac-12 refusing to accept BYU and Baylor. And the Pac-12 has Arizona State...
 
Was there a reason that a Pac-14 would not work? Like.. scheduling would only work with either a 12 or 16 team conference?
 
Was there a reason that a Pac-14 would not work? Like.. scheduling would only work with either a 12 or 16 team conference?

They can always put one LA school in each division. My belief is that we would get UCLA in the South and USC to the North. I don't think we will ever have a zipper format...screw that.
 
The reason why UNM keeps popping up is that they are Texas Tech's biggest non-conference rival. OU-OSU is already taken so they have to come up with somebody for TT. It won't be TCU for sure due to the Pac-12 refusing to accept BYU and Baylor. And the Pac-12 has Arizona State...

I didn't realize Tech every played New Mexico. It looks like the used to play them in the past, then didn't play them for some time, then started scheduling them again 2 years ago. They have actually played them 42 times (and only lost 6 haha).
 
I didn't realize Tech every played New Mexico. It looks like the used to play them in the past, then didn't play them for some time, then started scheduling them again 2 years ago. They have actually played them 42 times (and only lost 6 haha).

Something you will want to read: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Border_Intercollegiate_Athletic_Association

EDIT:

I have believed that the East or South division of a Pac-16 would be more of a southwestern conference and as someone who has a lot of connections to the SW, this is something that excites me and would be even better if UT wasn't part of that. This is what it would look like in this case:

SWC: UA, ASU, UU, CU, UNM, TT, OU, and OSU
Pac-8: USC, UCLA, Stanford, Cal, UO, OSU, UW, and WSU

Larry Scott has talked about pod scheduling. CU will be in the pod that contains UU, UA, and ASU so CU will play those three every year. Each other pod will have two games against members from that pod. For instance, CU could play one LA school and one NorCal school every year which means CU will still visit California every year. That also means CU will play one OK school and either TT/UNM in addition to two NW schools. But this must get approved by the NCAA.

The SWC division would be a powerful basketball division as well since you would have UA, UNM, OSU, and Utah...four traditional powers in basketball.
 
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I'm thinking we may have some new conference partners real soon. ESPN and the LHN is the 800 pound gorilla that Texas created that now has a life of its own. ESPN has basically told the Big 12 that they have absolutely no say in the network's programming and UT is just shrugging their shoulders saying "what can we do if they want to televise our recruits high school games?" ESPN needs to make a profit, and Texas wants the high school games. The Big 12 may, keyword may, survive this football season, best case scenario.
 
You could put Houston in place of UNM. Houston is now a Tier 1 research school and that will get the Pac's attention plus they will build a new stadium and if that doesn't work, they can play at where the Texans play.
 
We just got rid of ku and misery. I don't want to see them ever again.
 
Well good for texas they can play byu every year. If the ncaa lets texas get away with putting high school games on then im sure byu, notre dame will find a way also.
 
**** this. I don't want any part of being in the same division with our old Big 12 brethren.
 
So, you guys want our 3 billion divided by 12 to go to 3 billion divided by 16? Bullsquatchie!!!
 
Wait. Why are we doing this without ut? These schoola dont bring a lot of what the pac covets. Ut balanced that with cash.

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So, you guys want our 3 billion divided by 12 to go to 3 billion divided by 16? Bullsquatchie!!!

I haven't seen anywhere in this thread where anybody said they wanted the expansion. We are just discussing the possible fallout of the situation. Pay attention. In all honesty, I'm betting there is a 99% chance that the PAC 12 TV contracts are renegotiable given expansion. Larry Scott has been pretty blunt about the fact it is going to happen, and the dude is nothing if not prepared.
 
None of the Calif schools have the academics. Anything with "state" in it's name is not a high level academic/research institution. So cross off SDSU, Fresno State, Sacramento State, etc.

Now, Washington State, ASU and Oregon State really don't fit that bill either, but they have been in for awhile. Not really sure how important this is, but I still think it's important. That probably rules out UNM and Texas Tech, along with OSU, KSU, ISU.

Religion eliminates TCU, SMU, Baylor, BYU.

That leaves UT, UM, KU and OU. Might see Air Force considered as well.

Also, the reason the Pac12 expanded was for TV $$$. It gave them a conf championship game. Why go to 14 or 16? Only if you can add some large media markets.
UT would be huge.
Texas Tech - not so much. Mizzou gives you something there. KU gives you something, especially with hoops - they are more of a nationwide draw.
OU has a large and loyal following, but it's not Tejas.
UNM? no.
 
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I'd be perfectly happy staying at 12. I see no real reason to expand, frankly.
 
**** this. I don't want any part of being in the same division with our old Big 12 brethren.
No to all SWC trash like Texas and Texas Tech. I'm okay with former Big 8 schools that we have a history with.
 
The fun part of this is reading Baylorfans. Here is the latest gem:

[h=2]Baylor's Future/Realignment Endgame Thoughts?[/h]
Realignment talk has been going on alot lately, and while I find it fascinating I have seen few people talk about the worst case scenario for Baylor and what the future holds from there. That being, Baylor does not get a seat at the table, the BCS system folds to the power of the new superconferences and Baylor (along with others) now compose the new Div. II.

This is a LONG LONG post BUT I think alot about this stuff and I think this may be a good plan for Baylor protecting its future interests in not only the worst case scenario but in our current situation as well.

IF the Big XII and the current BCS system falls apart with the realignment to create a new power division in college football with the four 16 team superconferences. And IF Baylor has NO options to be apart of this new power league (through the creation of a 5th conference or otherwise).

I believe Baylor needs to start following plan of action:

Macro:
1. Accept the reality that the college football landscape has changed. It may not be all bad, the lower division would be more balanced than in the past with all the major state schools gone, and conferences might have a chance to start fostering regional rivalries and get back to the point of college athletics, that being STUDENT-athletes.

2. Be prepared to make this new division not only worth watching but arguably more entertaining by building up the schools, pagentry, and tradition in the new landscape. Baylor would be one of the Big dogs in the new division, along with old friends SMU, TCU, and Houston.

3. Encourage strong academic and athletic ties within the new division and conferences. That means schools should be pushing for more research dollars, AAU membership, and establishing new academic and research circles to rival the CIC.

4. Grow school alumni bases. While this isn't impossible this will take the longest to do. Slowly increasing size to something along the lines of 30k or 35k seems big now but will do wonders in the future. UT and TAMU can only hold and educate so many people before they have to start turning them away. There is no way for those flagship schools to meet the demand of higher education. And in a growing state like Texas, schools like Baylor and TCU can benefit by taking on those extra students to grow their student bodies.

5. Use new found influence and size, along with other member institutions, to help push for and cause a new realignment era.

Micro:
1. Baylor needs to go about creating a conference with TCU, SMU, Houston, Rice, and other geographic Tier 1 universities. Some like Baylor and TCU will be left out when the Big XII and Big East crumble, others can be drawn from the CUSA and MWC. It might be easiest for Baylor to join the CUSA (MWC is not what it was, and our natural geographic rivals are in CUSA already) and have TCU join along (MWC may still have some bad blood left over)

2. Continue expanding Baylor's reputation as an elite research and academic university and start looking into bids for AAU membership. Seek help with this from Rice and Texas and TAMU (if we can see the end is coming as inevitable and we cannot go anywhere no matter what, we could try to leverage this as a requirement from those two for being complacent in their leaving us behind)

3. Warning Controversy: Seek aid from the Baptist conventions for Truett and Religion departments, could be financial, could be in finding well learned professors, but the idea would be to make that aspect of Baylor paid for by the church and hopefully open up funds for other aspects of the university. (I know some don't like Baylor holding onto to its Baptist ties but I think its a great strength if played right, see Notre Dame)

4. Seek means and methods of reattaining the medical school. We already have a top notch law school and medical school to compliment would be all the better. Again all in the name of promoting Baylor as an ELITE University.

5. Continue expanding the campus and the dorms to accommodate larger student populations.

6. Consider opening branches of the university in other areas (ie Baylor-Dallas, Baylor-Arkansas, etc.). Create an identity for Baylor that moves beyond Waco, and Central Texas but one that is a national university with a flagship campus in Waco, Texas.

7. Build the on campus stadium for the future, IF the donations are exclusively for it. IE I'm only giving my money for a new stadium and nothing else. If the money is able to go toward renovating Floyd Casey, and bettering Baylor's academic programs and status, then put it toward that. Remember, the school will be getting bigger but we will also be getting smarter. And all that requires money. Also a new stadium is great for nowbecause we are trying to preserve, if everything changes, then we too must change our plans accordingly. There is no sense in building a monolith to the past like Rice's stadium if we are to be left out anyways.

8. Establish and continue community outreach programs for Baylor alums that promote the school and the schools identity to the general population. Baylor Awareness.

9. Work on a new tv network with the new confernces. Money won't be as good as it is now, but every little bit helps. Get BYU in here and we could stand to make more.

10. Refocus Baylor tradition to emphasize our heritage not only as a Baptist university (as we tend to do now) but also a Texas university.

11. Bury the hatchet with TCU. I realize this is a two part deal, and that Baylor was only protecting its own interests, and most Baylor fans don't care about the what happened. BUT all the same, if these two schools are to succeed in the future, they will need to cooperate.

12. Improve alumni donations (Baylor's alums suck at giving back and I don't want to hear the whole BAA vs. BOR thing. If Baylor is left in the cold, its time to think about the schools future and bury past differences). I'm talking by alot. You could do this incrementally, you could put student dorm deposits toward the senior class gifts, something. The school needs to ease off of federal student loans slowly, but surely, because that is a bubble waiting to pop, and when it does the more self sufficient Baylor is the better.

Endgame:
The goal of all this is to bring Baylor and college football into a new era. Right now Baylor and others are ignored due to their size, and lack of influence. By moving the new division to a point where there are enough teams around the country that can hang with the Big Boys, have schools of equal size as the Big Boys, and are in essence worth as much as the Big Boys, we will see change. This will be slow, and these schools will all be playing catch up against larger, wealthier schools, but it is not impossible. The idea is creating a group of schools that cannot be ignored. Money always talks, and eyeballs bring revenue, get your school to where it can start challenging the power system in terms of quality and revenue and change will happen. Baylor will be in a position to be a leader in this new format and to help bring about that change, but only through hardwork and dedication. Baylor and TCU could both be leaders in the new format, no one has a larger chip on their shoulder than TCU, and no one knows how to keep improving their situation better than TCU. These schools could be valuable partners in the move ahead.

This process would take, literally decades to pull off, but I take solace in the fact that the flagships can only get so big and that nothing is permanent. When they start reaching that point, hopefully Baylor and their new conference mates won't be just nipping at the heels of those schools, but hopefully kicking the door down.

TL;DR Baylor is boned if the current system collapses but can build itself to be a leader in the new football world.

Thoughts? Ideas? What else could be done to protect and foster the university we all care about?​
 
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