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Texas and ESPN $300 Million Network

Yep - Chipper was gloating all over himself this morning about breaking the news on that one too.

He thinks it gives UT the chance to go indy when the Big XII(-2) invariably goes nuclear in 2016. My question is, if UT gets the conference $$$$ on top of the network cash, why the **** would they ever leave?

Good thing is, this pretty much seals the deal on us ever seeing those f***s in a Pac16 superconference down the road.

Good riddance.
 
I am wondering how this will work out with the Big 12. I bet Beebee game they control of their own broadcast rights in order to keep them in conference. So not only do they get the cash from the other schools broadcasts, but they get their own too.
 
I am sure the orphaned nine are pretty psyched about this development. Their gift baskets to other conference commissioners are surely larger than what they send Beebe, I mean Dodds.
 
I'm with Navy on this one. This means there's no way in HELL they'll ever be admitted into the Pac 12. I'm fine with it. Let them kill off another conference. I'm glad we're gone.
 
This will be interesting to watch. You can't blame Texas for being able to pull this off--we'd kill to be able to do something like that.

However, you have to wonder how much of an advantage Texas really needs. When you consider their resources and local talent, they should be dominant in pretty much every sport. Maybe that's not realistic, but looking specifically at football, a 5-7 record is criminal.

Success rolls in cycles. However, Texas may be on a trajectory that supercedes a normal cycle, considering the advantages they enjoy. Bad coaching and NCAA sanctions are about the only things that can derail them at this point.

But then there's the curious case of Notre Dame to consider. At least in football, they should be unsinkable, but they haven't been able to pull it together in nearly 20 years.

How does NBC feel about that Notre Dame contract? Will ESPN soon feel the same way about their 5 and 7 gamble? I hope so.
 
So as a cable/DirecTV subscriber we will be subsiding UT sports. **** THAT ****. I'm sure ESPN will be real unbiased in their coverage going forward. ESPN should not be making side deals with particular schools.
 
So, how long until the SEC phones start ringing with Aggie on the line? Okie Lite? What does OU do now? The move just accelerated a second round of conference realignment. I bet the calls have already been made. What is the over under on the first move as a result? I give it 45 days or less.
 
The Walrus said:
This will be interesting to watch. You can't blame Texas for being able to pull this off--we'd kill to be able to do something like that.

However, you have to wonder how much of an advantage Texas really needs. When you consider their resources and local talent, they should be dominant in pretty much every sport. Maybe that's not realistic, but looking specifically at football, a 5-7 record is criminal.

Success rolls in cycles. However, Texas may be on a trajectory that supercedes a normal cycle, considering the advantages they enjoy. Bad coaching and NCAA sanctions are about the only things that can derail them at this point.

But then there's the curious case of Notre Dame to consider. At least in football, they should be unsinkable, but they haven't been able to pull it together in nearly 20 years.

How does NBC feel about that Notre Dame contract? Will ESPN soon feel the same way about their 5 and 7 gamble? I hope so.
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It will be interesting to see what kind of ratings they get outside of the state of Texas. If this is another step towards independence, they'll want to know that they can make it work on their own. The problem is that by doing what they're doing, they're effectively killing the Big 12. So they better hope they can make it work, because once the Big 12 is dead, they'll be scheduling the likes of UTEP, Texas State, and NMSU. Try selling that to viewers.
 
chipwich said:
So as a cable/DirecTV subscriber we will be subsiding UT sports. **** THAT ****. I'm sure ESPN will be real unbiased in their coverage going forward. ESPN should not be making side deals with particular schools.
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No different than ND/NBC's arrangement. Here's the kicker, though - ND made less last year from it's TV contract than Northwestern did from the Big 10 contract. As we continue down this conference realignment path, I think UT is making a huge tactical error. They're going to pull in gazillions of dollars in the short term at the expense of their conference. Then they'll kick the conference to the curb and go indy. That's when it gets really interesting.
 
better keep winning 10 every year or their t shirt fans will go bye bye and the stadium will be 60% full with tv ratings that suck azz outside the state
 
66BUFF said:
better keep winning 10 every year or their t shirt fans will go bye bye and the stadium will be 60% full with tv ratings that suck azz outside the state
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about 1/3 UT fans in Texas were ATM fans in the 90's when they were winning the SWC.
 
I wonder if anyone in the Mac 10 have thought about legally challenging this. I don't know how, but the Kansas, Mo & IA teams are going to get seriously downgraded in the near future with this.
 
Lets keep this in perspective folks... these are STUDENT athletes and the number one motivation is education.....

The real upside here is that KSU students and A&M students will learn to count to 300 million....
 
PhillyBuff said:
Lets keep this in perspective folks... these are STUDENT athletes and the number one motivation is education.....

The real upside here is that KSU students and A&M students will learn to count to 300 million....
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No they won't. They'll learn to count to nothing and like it.

I'm not sure you understand this contract.
 
The Walrus said:
No they won't. They'll learn to count to nothing and like it.

I'm not sure you understand this contract.
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There are students right now at KSU and A&M figuring out how hard Texas is pounding 300 million in their rear end.....
 
One thing that is a bit confusing for me...For each TV game, don't the home team and visitor split some of the TV revenue? How does this work if the right have already been sold to UT? Do they have to negotiate their own contracts with each opponent?
 
I think Texas will go independent just prior to 2015 or at least seriously consider it. If they do go, I guarantee they will have annual games with Aggy, Tech, and Baylor because it will be some type of back room legislator deal. They won't allow Texas to go independent unless there is some type of agreement to schedule these guys every year - OU will continue to schedule them because of the rivalry and they are in Texas' back pocket.

So now you are looking at 4 guaranteed games every year - throw in some cash strapped schools and an alternating deal with BYU, ND and maybe Navy and you've just about got your scheduling covered for every year.

I'm pretty sure that they won't ever get invited to the Pac 10 because Uncle Larry is going to bring home the bacon with these new negotiations and close the revenue gap. That leaves other conferences like the SEC or Big Ten - not sure about these. I could see Texas trying to dump their non revenue sports into another cash strapped league and they will be the public version of Notre Dame.

They were talking about how they are going to give some of the money to academics - something like 5 million a year and have 1 million dollar tenured department positions in Physics etc -- shows what you can do if you kick ass at sports. Too bad the Boulder academics are too stupid to realize this. Not that we could have pulled something like this off but if they would have decided to invest in facilities and salaries for coaches back in the early 90's things could really look a lot different.

Bottom line is at least CU is safe for the foreseable future in a conference that values teamwork and the value of the product they are putting on the field in games and not just one member. That's what makes the SEC such a great league because there are always at least 4 teams that have a legit shot at the title every year.
 
Any openings for Don King inside the UT ath£eti¢ department?

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PhillyBuff said:
There are students right now at KSU and A&M figuring out how hard Texas is pounding 300 million in their rear end.....
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And again, you're missing the fact that UT will pull out at the last minute and leave nothing in their rear end except a torn sphincter muscle.
 
Afternoon drive guys brought up a good point that ties in with earlier talk about a 5-7 team landing this type of deal...

So let's assume this "crack" staff Mack Brown hired turns things around for a little while and Mack rides out into his $5M sunset, but things start going sour with the new guy. Sour = sub-10 win seasons (which was one of the reasons ESPN stated they wanted to sign UT up for the deal - proven, consistent winner)

This contract is for TWENTY years, my friends. At what point does the president/CEO of ESPN look to ensure a return on his investment and pressure UT to ****can the coach who while leading the mighty 'Horns to winning seasons, is sub-10 wins, and UT ratings are slipping, a la Notre Dame the last few years? Discuss amongst yourselves, I'm a little verklempt....
 
The Walrus said:
This will be interesting to watch. You can't blame Texas for being able to pull this off--we'd kill to be able to do something like that.

However, you have to wonder how much of an advantage Texas really needs. When you consider their resources and local talent, they should be dominant in pretty much every sport. Maybe that's not realistic, but looking specifically at football, a 5-7 record is criminal.

Success rolls in cycles. However, Texas may be on a trajectory that supercedes a normal cycle, considering the advantages they enjoy. Bad coaching and NCAA sanctions are about the only things that can derail them at this point.

But then there's the curious case of Notre Dame to consider. At least in football, they should be unsinkable, but they haven't been able to pull it together in nearly 20 years.

How does NBC feel about that Notre Dame contract? Will ESPN soon feel the same way about their 5 and 7 gamble? I hope so.
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Other than its extremely short sighted. Sure, Notre Dame has made it as an independent all these years with football and NBC. But they had to join the Big East because all off their other sports that NBC does not cover had a very very hard time filling a schedule. Like the basketball team that needs 30 games. If the Texas 10 falls apart and loses even 1 other major (A&M or OU) or two minor teams Texas' other sports are going to be hard off. If the SEC comes caliing to get to 14 teams UT might have a big problem on their hands. Then again they might not.
 
Does this mean Texas gets $33M per year in network revenue?
$18M from the SWC2.0 and $15M from ESPN?
 
if there is an influx of indies (BYU, UT, Hawaii, ?)....in a few years it will resemble a conference since they'll all only have each other, ND, and the service academies to play in late October and November while everyone else plays conference slates (and SEC teams work in Chattanooga or La-Lafayette).
 
Skidmark said:
Does this mean Texas gets $33M per year in network revenue?
$18M from the SWC2.0 and $15M from ESPN?
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That's what they think. But the question becomes whether the Big 12 tv deal is worth anything close to previous forecasts if it doesn't include all the Texas games. ESPN didn't pay $300 million for Longhorn golf and 3rd tier football rights.
 
Buffnik said:
That's what they think. But the question becomes whether the Big 12 tv deal is worth anything close to previous forecasts if it doesn't include all the Texas games. ESPN didn't pay $300 million for Longhorn golf and 3rd tier football rights.
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They deal is only guaranteed to carry 1 UT football game.
 
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