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The Mayor - did he make a mistake?

sackman

sackman

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Getting taken in the second round means no guaranteed money. Possibly a lot of time spent in the D-League unless he really shines. Hindsight being 20/20, would he have been better off waiting a year? Were there issues with the knee that drove potential first round picks away? Would he have helped his draft position by staying an extra year? I don't know what next years' draft looks like, but I guess this was a pretty deep draft.

Discuss.
 
Assuming he is healthy, he should at least play ahead of Peyton Siva. The depth chart there is pretty favorable to play early
 
sackman said:
Getting taken in the second round means no guaranteed money. Possibly a lot of time spent in the D-League unless he really shines. Hindsight being 20/20, would he have been better off waiting a year? Were there issues with the knee that drove potential first round picks away? Would he have helped his draft position by staying an extra year? I don't know what next years' draft looks like, but I guess this was a pretty deep draft.

Discuss.
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Often early in the second often results in guaranteed contracts as well so that ship has not sailed yet. I couldn't find the number for last year but in 2012 is was roughly 12 second rounders that signed guaranteed deals. While Spencer *may* have played himself into a bigger rookie scale deal he could also have played him self out of the draft all together.
 
We need to end this notion that 2nd round picks don't get guaranteed multi-year contracts.

Nate Wolters was the 38th selection last year. Here is his contract:

2013-14: $500,000
2014-15: $816, 482
2015-16: $947 276
2016-17: $1,215, 696

  • 2015 non-guaranteed, fully guaranteed if not waived on or before 7/15/15
  • 2016 restricted free agent
 
Even if he gets that exact contract, he made the right choice. Even if he doesn't. Mentally Spencer had made his decision at the beginning of this season regardless of the outcome. He was gone. Him sticking around would have likely resulted in him falling further because he would not have mentally been into the college basketball season 100%.
 
Buffnik said:
We need to end this notion that 2nd round picks don't get guaranteed multi-year contracts.

Nate Wolters was the 38th selection last year. Here is his contract:

2013-14: $500,000
2014-15: $816, 482
2015-16: $947 276
2016-17: $1,215, 696

  • 2015 non-guaranteed, fully guaranteed if not waived on or before 7/15/15
  • 2016 restricted free agent
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Thats a nice little paycheck. Maybe even better than his field of study could provide.
 
Shldr2Shldr said:
Even if he gets that exact contract, he made the right choice. Even if he doesn't. Mentally Spencer had made his decision at the beginning of this season regardless of the outcome. He was gone. Him sticking around would have likely resulted in him falling further because he would not have mentally been into the college basketball season 100%.
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Spencer's a competitor. If he had decided to come back, he would have been all in.

He made the right decision for other reasons.

1. He was ready to take on the new challenge of measuring his skills against the very best in the world. Fulfillment of life-long dreams.

2. He can get paid for playing next year while starting his free agent clock. While some folks on message boards are focused on how much guaranteed money he'd get as a 1st round pick in case he failed in the NBA, that is not the way a competitor thinks. His mindset, as it should be, is that he'll earn a starting job and land a huge deal in 3 years.

Only on fan message boards would someone suggest that a guy should work for free in an amateur environment when the professionals are willing to guarantee over a million bucks for doing basically the same job.
 
We'll never know. Would he've parlayed a return into a high to mid first round selection? If so, he may have made a mistake. But, alas, we will never know. We can only speculate. So I'll speculate and say if he'd have returned he would have been drafted in the mid first round next yer with a guaranteed $3 million to $4million contract so, yes, I speculate he made a mistake. But we will never know.
 
As I stated before Spencer is a first rounder who dropped for one reason, the knee.

Nothing against what he would get at CU but Detroit will provide him with the very best medical attention and rehab on the knee that money can buy and they will pay him while they are doing it.

Simply put if Spencer recovers from the knee he will have every opportunity to play and earn big in Detroit, if for some reason he doesn't he wouldn't have been getting drafted higher next year anyways.
 
He's going to get paid. Whether that's in the NBA or the developmental league or in a foreign country - he's going to get some money. Hard to argue with that.

I do think if he had come back for another year, and shown no after-effects of the knee injury - he could have made a lot more money, and guaranteed money at that.
 
He made this choice because of the resources he'd have at his disposal to rehab his knee while working on his game full time. The contract or round he was picked in never really mattered to him. Good choice for him.
 
I believe only a couple SR's were drafted in the first 20. Add in Emmanual Mudiay (6'5 PG, #2 overall in '15 mock) and the Harrisons' coming out, and Dinwiddie's chance of being a top 20 pick would be pretty slim next year
 
It's hard to know either way. This was his decision all the way and in the end he had to live with it either way. The NBA drafts on potential and coming into the draft as a senior would have made it more difficult, IMO. Any way you get drafted in the NBA is a good decision. He landed in a great spot by the way.
 
It will be a few years down the road before we know this answer, but I think the timing was right.

First, the Mayor has a chip on his shoulder. He wasn't paid much attention by the local colleges coming out of hs. He arrived at CU with a bit of an "I'll show you" attitude. Yesterday, he gets passed by several teams and falls to round 2. Methinks that shoulder chip just grew another size or two.

Secondly, don't most people go to college to work (earn $) in the field they want to (even if that field changes a few times in the years on campus)? He now gets to earn some coinage doing exactly what he wants to do.

Finally, if the scouts/docs/gm's had advised him to forego the draft this year, I'm not certain he would have given the mental 100% back at CU. Hear me out before you start shooting at me -- it's human nature. When you're so close to reaching your dream, and then someone pulls it out of reach, there's bound to be an emotional letdown. SD might not have been the same on the court or in the lockerroom if he felt like he had to be here. We'll just never know.

Right choice, right time. Best of luck in the league, SD.
 
Nba loves drafting guys in their teens. They would rather develop a raw player themselves than let a player mature in college. A raw 19 year old is better is better than a 23 year old who dominated in college in an nba executives eyes.

Just imagine how much more time dre spent working on his game this season than he would have if he stayed another year.
 
If his goal was to be a first round draft pick, then it wasn't the right choice. If he's okay getting less guaranteed money, then it was the right choice.

I do think initially he plays SG for Detroit. There is more of an opening there, then at PG. Pistons have a lot of cap space available and about 5 roster spots to work with, so he likely has a good chance to get some guaranteed money. Will be interesting to see who the Pistons decide to sign in free agency.
 
sliderNcider said:
I believe only a couple SR's were drafted in the first 20. Add in Emmanual Mudiay (6'5 PG, #2 overall in '15 mock) and the Harrisons' coming out, and Dinwiddie's chance of being a top 20 pick would be pretty slim next year
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I dunno about that. Think he had a good chance to be the best PG in the country next year. Weaker draft as well. If healthy, I think he definitely goes in the Top 20 next year. But on the flip side, if he had come back, and got hurt his value would have been shot. Hard to blame him either way. Did what he thought was best, and hopefully it works out for him.
 
I don't understand the thinking of those who think it was a mistake...he got drafted 38th and was Detroit's only draft pick...he goes to a roster that needs guard help and has a good front line. He has a very good coach and now has team doctors to get his knee stronger. His rookie year can't be any more difficult than Andre Roberson's was...he was a 1st round draft pick and he went to the D-League. Terrance Jones from Houston was the 18th pick in 2012 and he played in the D-League. He will get paid and if he plays like he is capable, his 2nd contract (the most important one) will take care of itself.
 
rolandftw said:
I dunno about that. Think he had a good chance to be the best PG in the country next year. Weaker draft as well. If healthy, I think he definitely goes in the Top 20 next year. But on the flip side, if he had come back, and got hurt his value would have been shot. Hard to blame him either way. Did what he thought was best, and hopefully it works out for him.
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Was gonna respond with what you basically wrote. But yes, he made a good decision.
 
Spencer is also a bit unconventional with his offensive game and I think a lot of basketball gurus have trouble picturing what type of player he will be in the NBA. At least the dumb ones.
 
Goose is crammed into a smart car driving across california looking for Liver, but Liver is still on BART. It's not a good situation.
 
Darth Snow said:
Goose is crammed into a smart car driving across california looking for Liver, but Liver is still on BART. It's not a good situation.
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:lol:

Oh ****! Is that this weekend? He and Swan are going to need a vacation after this vacation.
 
It's not a stupid thread. There was absolutely no doubt that Dre made the right choice. He got drafted in the first round by one of the best teams in the league. There can be an argument made that had Spencer stayed, he could have parlayed his senior year into a top 20 pick. Of course, we will never know that for sure, but it's not outside of the realm of possibility. Had Spencer gotten picked in the first round, yes, this would have been a stupid topic. But that's not what happened.

My personal thought is that he landed right on the dividing line between good and bad decision, and that had he fallen any further, it would have been a mistake. I would have liked to see what he could do next year at CU, but I understand the desire to get paid. It helps CU to have guys drafted into the league, too.
 
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