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Crash Davis

Crash Davis

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In my opinion, it's Missouri. They were mediocre to downright bad for decades. Two things happened there that are what need to happen in Boulder:


A) The administration finally got fed up with being ****ty and made a serious capital investment in the program.

B) Equally important, they were patient and stuck with Pinkel even though his first 4-5 years were nothing special.


Hawkins was a fraud and a bozo and deserved to be fired, imo. Embree wasn't really given a fair chance, though I disagreed with the hire in the first place. Pinkel and HCMM actually have similiar backgrounds with building up mid-major programs before coming to BCS conferences. For better or worse, this is the path we are going to have to follow.
 
Spend $. CU has to invest money into the program from top to bottom. The administration needs to run this like a business. Money has to be invested. You have to spend money to make money.
 
Crash Davis said:
In my opinion, it's Missouri. They were mediocre to downright bad for decades. Two things happened there that are what need to happen in Boulder:


A) The administration finally got fed up with being ****ty and made a serious capital investment in the program.

B) Equally important, they were patient and stuck with Pinkel even though his first 4-5 years were nothing special.


Hawkins was a fraud and a bozo and deserved to be fired, imo. Embree wasn't really given a fair chance, though I disagreed with the hire in the first place. Pinkel and HCMM actually have similiar backgrounds with building up mid-major programs before coming to BCS conferences. For better or worse, this is the path we are going to have to follow.
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I think the bozos at the top are on board with a 4-5 year rebuild, but they don't give a **** about spending money on the program or doing other things to help, like freeing up more academic exceptions for the football team, improving the student experience etc. BB and DiS must go, but I don't think the regents care either or don't understand the issues.
 
One thing that I think this administration has never done is to look at what works elsewhere as a blueprint for success here. We seem to have this idea that things are so much different in Boulder.
 
pinkel was on the very precipice of getting fired a couple different times but won at just the right moments to save his job.

also, it is helluva lot easier to get guys in to mizzery than CU. we need to do something to correct that--- if cal, ucla, stanford, michigan, and virginia can get guys in (and all are higher ranked in academics than CU), then we should be able to address this issue if we wanted to.

i hate mizzery.
 
Damn.

I thought this thread would be about Alessandra Ambrosio or one of her cohorts and how we were adopting her as our site spokesmodel as an alternative to Stoudt since he can't talk. Heck, Heidi Klum would've been perfect. But this thread was nothing but a disappointment.[FONT=arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif][/FONT]
 
BuffClass90 said:
I think the bozos at the top are on board with a 4-5 year rebuild, but they don't give a **** about spending money on the program (1) or doing other things to help, like freeing up more academic exceptions for the football team (2), improving the student experience etc. BB and DiS must go (3), but I don't think the regents care either or don't understand the issues.
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1. Only time will tell, and this administration has A LOT of issues that they need to fix and fix ASAP, but they have been spending money on the coaching staffs and Rick George. CU nearly doubled Tad Boyle's salary back in July and then we are paying MacIntyre and his staff well above the market rate (especially his assistants which is why he needs to go out and grab a dynamic recruiter) and then Rick George is being paid $700K/year, which makes him the highest paid CU administrator ever. Bruce Benson also pledged $500K to the CU AD over the course of 5 years and then last week the Midget put facilities near the top of the fundraising priorities for the Unviersity. Talk is cheap and only time will tell if they are being serious or are just ****ing with everyone but they have been putting up the money recently.

2. Aside from JUCO entrance requirements, which have been amended and will be changing nationwide in 2015 which *should* even the playing field for us somewhat, getting people in. Crawley didn't get into Tennessee but he got into CU. Kisima got into CU and he was a big academic risk. It will never be like it was under Prop 48 in the 90's but it's not a problem for non-JUCO's.

3. Benson has actually put money into the AD and seems serious about his statements about treating the AD like a business, the Midget though needs to go.

Liver said:
pinkel was on the very precipice of getting fired a couple different times but won at just the right moments to save his job.

also, it is helluva lot easier to get guys in to mizzery than CU. we need to do something to correct that--- if cal, ucla, stanford, michigan, and virginia can get guys in (and all are higher ranked in academics than CU), then we should be able to address this issue if we wanted to.

i hate mizzery.
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I'll refer you to my second point on my first reply, it's really not an issue to get most athletes in who are non-JUCO and even the JUCO requirements are changing. Here are the transfer rules by the way...

Transferrable classes only. A non-qualifier student athlete(grades or SAT/ACT not high enough in high school) must graduate from the JUCO with a minimum of 48 transferrable hours with a 2.5 GPA that includes 6 hours of English, 3 hours of Math, 3 hours of Natural and Physical Science, no more than 2 hours of PE credit hours can be used. In other words, real academics. Each University has a different specific group of classes they will accept for transfer. That is why it is so important to have a dedicated Academic Advisor for student athletes in a JUCO that starts working with the student on day 1. Classes Included In 2.5 GPA
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http://melgru23.com/2013/04/06/ncaa-2-5-transfer-rules-for-jucosthree-part-series/
 
GoonieBuff said:
Damn.

I thought this thread would be about Alessandra Ambrosio or one of her cohorts and how we were adopting her as our site spokesmodel as an alternative to Stoudt since he can't talk. Heck, Heidi Klum would've been perfect. But this thread was nothing but a disappointment.
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It's Allbuffs, get used to it........I was disappointed by the "Space Porn" thread in the pub. Well, not entirely disappointed, because I'm basically a big science nerd, but I thought it was going to be about something else.
 
Crash Davis said:
It's Allbuffs, get used to it........I was disappointed by the "Space Porn" thread in the pub. Well, not entirely disappointed, because I'm basically a big science nerd, but I thought it was going to be about something else.
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I'm still disappointed in the space porn thread.

Thanks for the long UBL.
 
I noticed the Minnesota Gophers are currently 6-2 with last weekend's upset over the Cobsuckers, and the week before vs. Northwestern.

Jerry Kill is a very good football coach as he's proven at every level. But it's was a tough first 2 years, but now it's paying off. Despite his health issues.

This is the model CU has chosen. Good solid coaching and evaluation. No celebrity recruiters, no Kentucky-like recruiting classes. They are focused on building a foundation with solid D1 players, and it will work.

And they've had the absolute worst recruiting classes the last two years in the entire league, as measured by Rivals.
 
If only the pac12 sucked as much as the B1G.

Minny just built that stadium and their facilities are great. Not the same comparison.
 
NMBuff said:
If only the pac12 sucked as much as the B1G.

Minny just built that stadium and their facilities are great. Not the same comparison.
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Really weak year for the B1G, and a really strong year for the Pac. That being said, holic's got a point.
 
J.R. Ewing said:
Really weak year for the B1G, and a really strong year for the Pac. That being said, holic's got a point.
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Yeah despite the facilities, a quick look at their 2011 class looks a lot like our 2014 class. More 5.6's and a 5.7 but also a lot of 2*'s and MWC offers for kids. If we could keep kids in the program for three or four years and build a solid core off of them we would be in so much better shape.


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NMBuff said:
If only the pac12 sucked as much as the B1G.

Minny just built that stadium and their facilities are great. Not the same comparison.
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Are you suggesting that their new facilities are helping them play better? They were DEAD LAST in recruiting.

Good coaching and player development, keen evaluation, and blocking and tackling is making them a much improved program.
It remains to be seen if we can do the same, but certainly, that is the model we are following.
 
Not really, but it shows the school is behind the AD. CU is showing signs of life in this regard.

Fundamental football and solid coaching are key for our success right now. If we could have our guys play like a FSU/Boise (given our relative recruiting), then we could be more competitive (not the same as competitive, mind you). But yeah, it's going to take 3 years in the least to turn this around. It doesn't help that Pac12 teams can score 45+ points and that a lot of games are shootouts and we can't score 20 in just about every conference game. Teams like Wiscy were always blasted for running up the score in the B1G, while in the Pac12 that's just a normal week.

I wish we could red shirt a ton of guys and help our young guys get used to the speed of the college game. That also brings up the point that our guys aren't getting the same quality reps as they are in games just due to who is lining up against them. A Jake Locker type QB and a stellar recruiter looks like that is more of the "Pac12" way than a B1G team, tbh.
 
I think the main point is that we suck so very bad now that it's going to take a while to get back to being mediocre, to say nothing of competing with the top of the conference.

We all know that the administration is the main problem. I don't know how often we have to talk to anyone, send emails, not send checks, whatever, before we get the hint that Phil's going to be Phil as long as he's here, and he's going to be here until he decides he doesn't want to be anymore. It's also obvious that BB and Phil are in a little bit of a contest to see who can stay in his position longer. It might take one dying for the other one to give it up too.

I suppose holic has a point in that Minnesota has been able to do well despite recruiting poorly, but I don't really want to follow that model if we don't have to. I am giving MM the benefit of the doubt for the next couple of classes. It is possible also that we can improve simply by not having tremendous turnover and constant drama. Just keeping the kids we get and letting them focus on what they need to do could do a lot, most likely. At some point though - if we want to move away from the bottom of the Pac, our recruiting classes are going to have to improve, too.

IMO, facilities, longevity with the staff, and most of all, winning will have a dramatic effect on our recruiting, and therefore our competing. It's going to take time, especially if RG and MM are always going to have to swim against the administrative current, but it is possible.
 
I think people need to realiZe that the admin has shown signs of changing, and in a pretty big way ($$$). Only time will tell but early reports have been good from donors.

According to SD on Rivals we also could be hearing something regarding facilities and RG in general within a week.

We will also improve from the bottom of the PAC if we can get our attrition back to the average rate (we're roughly 20% higher than average) and play guys who are 21, 22, and 23 rather than 18, 19, or 20 year olds.


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buffaholic said:
I noticed the Minnesota Gophers are currently 6-2 with last weekend's upset over the Cobsuckers, and the week before vs. Northwestern.

Jerry Kill is a very good football coach as he's proven at every level. But it's was a tough first 2 years, but now it's paying off. Despite his health issues.

This is the model CU has chosen. Good solid coaching and evaluation. No celebrity recruiters, no Kentucky-like recruiting classes. They are focused on building a foundation with solid D1 players, and it will work.

And they've had the absolute worst recruiting classes the last two years in the entire league, as measured by Rivals.
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We aren't recruiting solid D1 players and haven't had a solid class of them since Hawk left.

I think the one thing people are missing is that Mizzu has done a very good job of keeping their best kids in state. In 2013 they had 9 3* or better, 2012 was 5, This year they only have 3 along with 3 2* guys. I think we really need to lock our borders down and we would see the program improve dramatically.
 
BuffNut99 said:
Agreed. We would be able to beat a handful of B1G10 teams.
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Not sure we would beat them but we would compete that's for sure. We definitely came into the Pac at the wrong time with Stanford and Oregon elite and almost everyone else borderline Top 25 programs annually.
 
'Tini said:
I think people need to realiZe that the admin has shown signs of changing, and in a pretty big way ($$$). Only time will tell but early reports have been good from donors.

According to SD on Rivals we also could be hearing something regarding facilities and RG in general within a week.

We will also improve from the bottom of the PAC if we can get our attrition back to the average rate (we're roughly 20% higher than average) and play guys who are 21, 22, and 23 rather than 18, 19, or 20 year olds.


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You make a good point, but outside of throwing money at it, are they the ones to lead us out of the doldrums they got us into? I really don't know...just asking the question.
 
BuffClass90 said:
You make a good point, but outside of throwing money at it, are they the ones to lead us out of the doldrums they got us into? I really don't know...just asking the question.
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Only time will tell. I think BB and RG are yes, not the Midget though. Throwing money at it can work, especially if it involves $200MM for facilities.


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o_robbie said:
We aren't recruiting solid D1 players and haven't had a solid class of them since Hawk left.

I think the one thing people are missing is that Mizzu has done a very good job of keeping their best kids in state. In 2013 they had 9 3* or better, 2012 was 5, This year they only have 3 along with 3 2* guys. I think we really need to lock our borders down and we would see the program improve dramatically.
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No we have, they just aren't in the program anymore for various reasons.


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