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This talk of band-aid fixes and how we can't afford a real HC.

Timbuff10

Timbuff10

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Getting sick of this. There is a lot of this talk on here about moving around assistants and trying to get some local guys to come in and help coach because we cant afford to hire a real head coach.

What happened to all this money that we are supposed to be getting from the PAC? These other schools are able to break the bank for coaches, and facilities yet people are trying to tell me we have no money to pay for any of this. As far as I remember, Embree is the lowest or at least one of the lowest paid HCs in the conference. We should be rolling in the freaking dough.

I would love to help keep contributing and see this team be back where it should and where it was when I was in school but since the people in charge can't stop tripping over their own feet, I am done until I see results.

If they can rebuild every damn building on campus in the last 10 years, they can surely find a HC with some proven experience to at least get us to a toilet bowl by year two.
 
I'm also curious as to what the money situation is in the AD. Are we still paying off loans that we borrowed from the school to fire Hawk? If the AD can pay for the firing of Embree itself, why the hell is Benson sticking his nose into it?
 
We actually don't know this yet. The talk has been generated by a Woody Paige article, and Ringo tweets. I think they may be feeling out the fanbase (at least with Ringo) to guage the temperature. I think Embree will do himself in with 3 more similar blow outs to end the season.
 
Wait a minute, we have a staff full of "real" head coaches, coached at the highest levels as a tight ends and running backs coach in the NFL........ just ask Benson
 
It's not about the cost of firing the coaches.

Is it really that hard to understand?
 
I'd argue that we can't afford NOT to hire a big name coach.

Even if it means going in the hole initially. How can we not tend to our revenue sport? How can we not cultivate our most visible public outreach program?
 
Orr said:
I'd argue that we can't afford NOT to hire a big name coach.

Even if it means going in the hole initially. How can we not tend to our revenue sport? How can we not cultivate our most visible public outreach program?
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Cost is absolutely not an issue anymore. The loss in revenue that Colorado is already experiencing and will continue to experience should Embree be retained will easily offset the cost of buyouts and new coaching salaries.
 
buffedup said:
Cost is absolutely not an issue anymore. The loss in revenue that Colorado is already experiencing and will continue to experience should Embree be retained will easily offset the cost of buyouts and new coaching salaries.
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What lost revenue?
 
DBT said:
What lost revenue?
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I have unsubscribed from all those emails about buying fan gear. Hard to bring myself from turning over $ to a program that has lost sight and has no goals + would be embarrassed to wear it around anyway ? Way to go Buffs !
 
DBT said:
What lost revenue?
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I'm a guest lecturer at George Washington, from time-to-time. I provide a slide with a brief bio on it, and of course I caught **** for being a CU grad last week. But one of the students (graduate level course, so he was probably about 26) mentioned in a discussion after class, that growing up in New Jersey, CU was always one of the non-local schools that he could buy gear for at the local mall. Hats, jerseys etc... He also mentioned Nebraska, Miami and Ohio State.

Then he said he couldn't remember the last time he saw someone wearing CU gear.
 
This is not a money issue (for once). The AD can financially afford to replace the current staff with a big time staff.

Other **** is at play.

One of those things (and this is going to piss people off) is that the facilities plan would be in serious jeopardy if Embree was fired after only 2 years.
 
This won't make sense, but we can afford to throw huge money at a new coach... but we (potentially) can't afford to buy out Embree. One decision is made by the people who get the Pac 12 check and who pump the donors, the other is made by Benson, who has to beg the state for money and has to defend every financial decision made.
 
Buffnik said:
This is not a money issue (for once). The AD can financially afford to replace the current staff with a big time staff.

Other **** is at play.

One of those things (and this is going to piss people off) is that the facilities plan would be in serious jeopardy if Embree was fired after only 2 years.
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Maybe the reports of the locker room coming apart can change the boosters minds. It seems things are getting real freaking ugly at this point.
 
Buffnik said:
This is not a money issue (for once). The AD can financially afford to replace the current staff with a big time staff.

Other **** is at play.

One of those things (and this is going to piss people off) is that the facilities plan would be in serious jeopardy if Embree was fired after only 2 years.
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You would think the boosters would rather invest in a great coaching staff and post-pone the facility upgrades. Facilities don't help recruiting enough to overcome getting blown out week in and week out. Recruiting is not all about winning, but winning plays a big role.
I imagine the booster don't want to admit the staff they pushed for isn't working. But, it has become so blatantly obvious, it is time to move on. No slam on Embree or Eb's passion, effort or past success as players. They are just not ready to be head coach and OC right now and we need a big upgrade.
 
Facilities are not going to take care of this mess. If it were my plan, it's definitely getting a quality HC. I hate to mention his name but I wish they would pay for Petrino. His name alone would bring enough interest; good and bad, to wake Boulder up. This is not a knife to a gunfight, this is an absolute assault to get this thing turned in the right direction. If they aren't taking that mentality from a money standpoint, then honestly shut the program down. UK fired Phillps at the end of game 9, season 3. Embree gets one more year but OC and DC need to be fired.
 
Wazzou coughed $2.5 million for Leech after the TV contract revenue. Where's our ****ing money? Why can't we hire a big name like Leech or Rodriguez?

Also need more academic exceptions and/or general studies major. Facilities upgrades would be a plus too. Not to mention retiring a couple dinosaurs at the top.
 
BuffClass90 said:
Wazzou coughed $2.5 million for Leech after the TV contract revenue. Where's our ****ing money? Why can't we hire a big name like Leech or Rodriguez?

Also need more academic exceptions and/or general studies major. Facilities upgrades would be a plus too. Not to mention retiring a couple dinosaurs at the top.
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Currently, not the most persuasive argument for opening the coffers.
 
I hope CU fans realize sooner rather than later that it is no longer a choice to postpone facilities upgrades or go out and pay big money for a big-time coaching staff. BOTH need to happen in the next five years.
 
Duff Man said:
I hope CU fans realize sooner rather than later that it is no longer a choice to postpone facilities upgrades or go out and pay big money for a big-time coaching staff. BOTH need to happen in the next five years.
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I'd say the coaching hire needs to happen within the month. A facilities announcement roughly the same time to entice a coach and players.

Normally I (and a lot of AB posters) would say "what the **** does BC90 know", but given the results on the field, I'd say my opinion is as valid as any.
 
----->YOU need more faith in the abilities of CU admins to conduct studies, explore options, collaborate in a bunker, come up with some wise and decisive decission by committee, spend money on a feasibility study, survey the important boosters and hug this thing out.
 
DavisBuff said:
You would think the boosters would rather invest in a great coaching staff and post-pone the facility upgrades. Facilities don't help recruiting enough to overcome getting blown out week in and week out.
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cubuffthis said:
Facilities are not going to take care of this mess.
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I hesitate to go this route, but if I had to choose between improving facilities next year and getting a new coach next year, I'm going to side with facilities. CU would be able to say they did everything they could to support the coaches. If it doesn't work, the next coach will have a lot more to work with.

If we roll the dice on a new coach next year and postpone facilities, odds are pretty high we'll be right back in this same boat in a few years, but with no new facilities and even more behind.

My top 3 hopes:
1. New facilities, new kick ass coaches
2. New facilities, same cheap-o coaches
3. New kick ass coaches

My worst fears:
1. No facilities, New cheap-o coaches
2. No change

I feel the two most likely scenarios are the last two I listed. :cry:
 
Does the admin view the PAC12 money as an injection and invest that money into football and other AD areas that they can get a return on?

Or do they plan to not invest that money, and use it to cover shortages?

It's really a question of investment vs. living off the trust fund.

They invested (when Jeff Bzdelik put the gun to their heads) in a new basketball facility. It's paying off now. Does anyone think they get that?

I got 4 tickets at the 50 yard line that has a donation tied to it. I'm pretty sure I'll just take my chances from here on out with the scalpers. Most games, I have trouble finding customers, clients and friends to fill these 4.
 
Getting a quality coaching staff is far more important than fancy facilities. No kid is coming to a school that has fancy TVs in the weight room but will lose every week by 55 points. You get a coach that can win! You don't have that guy and I don't care if you weights are made of gold bars you aren't going to get kids to come to school solely because of fancy facilities.
 
Again, why do CU fans view it as an either/or proposition? Why would we purposely try to be completely different from successful BCS football programs? It makes no sense to me.
 
Duff Man said:
Again, why do CU fans view it as an either/or proposition? Why would we purposely try to be completely different from successful BCS football programs? It makes no sense to me.
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Agree but have you not seen the last 10 years or so? I think we all know that both are needed but we will be lucky to get even half of one the way this program is run.
 
Timbuff10 said:
Have you not seen the last 10 years or so? I think we all know that both are needed but we will be lucky to get even half of one the way this program is run.
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You're posting that facilities don't matter much in a thread about band-aid fixes? Uh... what?
 
Duff Man said:
You're posting that facilities don't matter much in a thread about band-aid fixes? Uh... what?
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No, I said a quality coach is more important. Not much more, but a fancy weight room never had to decide what play to run on 3rd and 4 with two minutes left and down by 4.

My point is, a quality coach will get wins and bring in money for facilities. Do it the other way around and I don't see it working nearly as fast.
 
Duff Man said:
Again, why do CU fans view it as an either/or proposition? Why would we purposely try to be completely different from successful BCS football programs? It makes no sense to me.
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I agree with your frustration; but, I don't see the highest level admin at CU wanting to choose both.

A story similar to our current budget allocation problem... a young professional with a CU degree gets a major promotion. Her income has increased from $25K per year to $250k per year. Now that she has all kinds of money, she can afford to remodel her dilapidated house and buy two new high-end cars for herself and her fiance. But, instead of this plan, her fiance asks her to delay the remodel and buy used jalopies instead of the good vehicles. He wants to give the money to his in-laws because they don't make a lot of dough. She agrees to this plan to keep peace on the home front.

We have all kinds of new money. We CAN spend the money on facilities and getting better coaches. But, the current powers that be WON'T because the money has been promised to other parts of the university and the football team is not viewed as a top priority by a lot of folks in the greater university community. I happen to think that those people are myopic; but, I am not a decision maker when it comes to allocating revenues from our new conference.

I do not think Embo will be fired this year. Many of the coaches on staff will be retained. If they're terrible again next year, look for changes to be made then with a relatively inexpensive hire for around $1.75-$2mm. Let's just hope that person happens to be very good.
 
manhattanbuf said:
I agree with your frustration; but, I don't see the highest level admin at CU wanting to choose both.

A story similar to our current budget allocation problem... a young professional with a CU degree gets a major promotion. Her income has increased from $25K per year to $250k per year. Now that she has all kinds of money, she can afford to remodel her dilapidated house and buy two new high-end cars for herself and her fiance. But, instead of this plan, her fiance asks her to delay the remodel and buy used jalopies instead of the good vehicles. He wants to give the money to his in-laws because they don't make a lot of dough. She agrees to this plan to keep peace on the home front.

We have all kinds of new money. We CAN spend the money on facilities and getting better coaches. But, the current powers that be WON'T because the money has been promised to other parts of the university and the football team is not viewed as a top priority by a lot of folks in the greater university community. I happen to think that those people are myopic; but, I am not a decision maker when it comes to allocating revenues from our new conference.

I do not think Embo will be fired this year. Many of the coaches on staff will be retained. If they're terrible again next year, look for changes to be made then with a relatively inexpensive hire for around $1.75-$2mm. Let's just hope that person happens to be very good.
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You sexist ****
 
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