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Threats to Universities from the current Presidential administration

Not Sure

Not Sure

Sets low bar, barely exceeds it.
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Not putting this in the Politics forum mainly because I find it to be a cesspool. This is an issue that transcends politics, in my opinion. It goes to the very heart of the values that we and our University espouse. There's a serious threat to higher education from the occupant in the White House. Harvard has already told him to pound sand (bravo, Harvard), but some other schools are capitulating. It's worrisome to me. I've heard that some Big 10 schools are collaborating in a "attack against one is an attack against all" kind of alliance.
All this to say that A) I really hope CU (and any Colorado school for that matter) has the courage to stand up for what's right and B) I have no idea what I'd do if they fold. It would be devastating.
 
I'm hoping for some coordinated defense on the part of the AAU. All the B1G schools are, except the nubs of course, so it's a good start.
 
We have an administration that is doing something (or trying to) which I don't believe people voted for. So I'm not sure this is political, at least not partisan. It's a question of academic freedom.

In short, the executive branch is attempting to install federal auditors on college campuses to review all course materials and personnel to ensure that the college is aligned ideologically with what the administration deems appropriate. If the college doesn't capitulate, the repercussions threatened have included denial of federal money (research grants, student tuition assistance, etc) along with denying student visas to any international students the college tries to enroll.

If this is allowed to happen, I have no doubt that the US will quickly go from having the best universities in the world to seeing the best and brightest going to European colleges.
 
Burrito said:
How is this not political? I remember someone around here saying "elections have consequences."

A lot.
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Mostly because I have the politics forum on ignore, but also because this has a direct impact on CU itself and I believe that necessitates something more than the idiotic posturing of the Pol forum.

And yeah, elections have consequences, and this is one of those consequences. I think it’s worth discussing the potential this could have on not only CU, but on the entire system of higher education in the US.
 
IMO they ****ed up trying to go after Harvard first. Maybe they thought if they got Harvard to bend the knee first every other institution would fold, but they went at the big dog first and got embarrassed. I don’t see any serious Universities conceding to their demands. Maybe some southern schools with MAGA leaning leaders and some smaller schools who rely on federal funding, but I think the precedent is set for bigger Universities to tell them to **** off.
 
The Alabaster Yak said:
IMO they ****ed up trying to go after Harvard first. Maybe they thought if they got Harvard to bend the knee first every other institution would fold, but they went at the big dog first and got embarrassed. I don’t see any serious Universities conceding to their demands. Maybe some southern schools with MAGA leaning leaders and some smaller schools who rely on federal funding, but I think the precedent is set for bigger Universities to tell them to **** off.
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They went after Columbia first. Columbia folded like a lawn chair. That emboldened them to go after bigger fish.

But, you're right, they went too big too fast.
 
12 CU students have lost their visa

UCCS is targeted for using a hiring firm that talked about diversity or DEI

Tons of anschutz programs have a hold on funding.

The only thing that might sneak CU thru is they have horrendous and ridiculous Chair of Conservative Thought. Maybe that gets them out of the cross hairs.
 
dio said:
12 CU students have lost their visa

UCCS is targeted for using a hiring firm that talked about diversity or DEI

Tons of anschutz programs have a hold on funding.

The only thing that might sneak CU thru is they have horrendous and ridiculous Chair of Conservative Thought. Maybe that gets them out of the cross hairs.
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NIST and NOAA cuts are going to hit CU pretty hard. There are quite a few CU professors (including Nobel prize winners and finalists) whose entire salary is currently paid by those agencies.

Then the research grants from NSF - this in addition to the NIH research grants you already noted.

The administration's war on science is gonna hit all research universities pretty hard, and this is outside of the dei and cultural war crap.
 
skibum said:
NIST and NOAA cuts are going to hit CU pretty hard. There are quite a few CU professors (including Nobel prize winners and finalists) whose entire salary is currently paid by those agencies.

Then the research grants from NSF - this in addition to the NIH research grants you already noted.

The administration's war on science is gonna hit all research universities pretty hard, and this is outside of the dei and cultural war crap.
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This sucks so bad.
 
dio said:
12 CU students have lost their visa

UCCS is targeted for using a hiring firm that talked about diversity or DEI

Tons of anschutz programs have a hold on funding.

The only thing that might sneak CU thru is they have horrendous and ridiculous Chair of Conservative Thought. Maybe that gets them out of the cross hairs.
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Do you know where are the people who lost their Visa are from? And is there a way to find out the rationale for each Visa revocation? I'm curious.
 
Daaah said:
I think Rubio said today that they had revoked 300 visas. 12 from CU seems disproportionate to me.
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My mistake.

It is up to 22 now

Statement of the University of Colorado regarding recent visa revocations

April 17, 2025 (Updated from April 8) The University of Colorado System can confirm, as of this posting, that 22 international students across all four of our campuses have had their student visa status revoked. Federal agencies involved in these revocations are not sharing with CU the specific...
www.cu.edu www.cu.edu
 
Everyone that loves College, University, College Sports, and especially College Football should have never voted for Trump, as he will do irreparable damage to the strength of schools that are trying to figure out the new landscape of CFB. Thank goodness 2 Trans athletes cannot play volleyball so that they can do Billions of Damage to the entire College Landscape. Way to go
 
@Not Sure , love you man, but starting a political thread in this forum because you have the politics forum on ignore, but still want to discuss politics, is... something.

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I actually read an op-ed the other day that suggested the AAU schools just go ahead and cancel the football season to actually draw attention to what is being done to the universities by the administration. That would actually get some attention, and might drive some people who don't care to care.
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"we'll close our top revenue stream! that'll show 'em". that really seems like a "cut off your nose to spite your face" move.
 
hokiehead said:
"we'll close our top revenue stream! that'll show 'em". that really seems like a "cut off your nose to spite your face" move.
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1. At any real research institution, it's definitively NOT the "top" revenue stream. It may not even be top 10 depending on how the schools classifies its revenue streams.

2. At most schools, the football program runs at a deficit, and the AD does at nearly all schools. (I think canceling the football season would also entail cancelling all sports for the year - you could keep the athletes on scholarship and for most schools their budget would actually net out ahead.)

3. It wasn't necessarily a serious or practical suggestion, but just putting it on the table elevates the problem the universities are facing, and elevating this problem is helpful in and of itself.
 
I was a bit disappointed that nobody from CU signed the statement issued by the American Association of Colleges and Universities. The presidents of CC and DU signed. I'm aware that those are not similar to research institutions like CU, but still.
 
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Not Sure said:
Not putting this in the Politics forum mainly because I find it to be a cesspool. This is an issue that transcends politics, in my opinion. It goes to the very heart of the values that we and our University espouse. There's a serious threat to higher education from the occupant in the White House. Harvard has already told him to pound sand (bravo, Harvard), but some other schools are capitulating. It's worrisome to me. I've heard that some Big 10 schools are collaborating in a "attack against one is an attack against all" kind of alliance.
All this to say that A) I really hope CU (and any Colorado school for that matter) has the courage to stand up for what's right and B) I have no idea what I'd do if they fold. It would be devastating.
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Not Sure said:
Mostly because I have the politics forum on ignore, but also because this has a direct impact on CU itself and I believe that necessitates something more than the idiotic posturing of the Pol forum.

And yeah, elections have consequences, and this is one of those consequences. I think it’s worth discussing the potential this could have on not only CU, but on the entire system of higher education in the US.
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Snowflake
 
If you guys are concentrating on where I chose to put this thread as opposed to what the thread is about, you’re missing the point.
 
I think sometimes we forget that Dementia Don is a moron and the MAGA regime is entirely staffed by inept toadies.

Trump Stumbles—A Bit—in the Unis Wrestlin’ Match High-Stakes Drama​


This is one of the more direct cases of a major university attaching itself to Harvard’s actions and probably running a fair amount of risk for doing it. My sense is that the White House’s war on universities is at least partly slipping out of its grip. The whole game here is that the White House needs to mutilate a handful of universities but do so one by one, each isolated and on its own as it happens. I think it’s obvious that the White House cannot manage this if universities are banding together. It has to be one at a time. The Times did its best to put Harvard in a bad light (stubborn, not listening to reason). But Harvard has hit back hard at the White House and doesn’t seem inclined to pull back, even after what the Times says were quiet attempts on the White House’s part to bring them back to the table. The whole “Oh, we sent that letter by accident” thing was bizarre and made the White House look silly. “We didn’t mean to send it. And you should have known that. But also we meant it. And can you please start negotiating again?” That’s weak and pathetic.
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Had they not been so stupid, they could have probably kept Harvard on the line for months. Instead, they provoked a public moral beatdown (by a deeply immoral institution) that resulted in many other universities suddenly growing spines.
 
I have a friend and ex-colleague who was big in SDS at Columbia in the 60s. He took over the math building in 1968. His father was a faculty member at Columbia, and he tells a hilarious story about his mother telling his father that he would have to resign if they kicked my friend out. But he saved the day by wearing his letterman's sweater to court to get a plea deal to disorderly conduct. For years he said he lettered in football, only later did he let it slip that he played lightweight football.

Anyway, he ended up getting an undergraduate and a law degree from Columbia. Years after graduation, he was at some event with the then-president of Columbia and he brought up the 1968 protests. All the president had to say was that they set back fundraising for 25 years.

That is the encapsulation of elite higher education in this country today.

The Times piece linked in my post above just solidified this with (proud DU alumna) Condoleeza Rice's execrable quote: "In late March, a Harvard donor reached out to former Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice for advice. She urged the school to set aside politics and emotions and to think of the money the school could lose."

c u n t s all the way down
 
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