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Three Scenarios

TimmyDUBs

TimmyDUBs

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With recruiting in mind, under the following three scenarios, how possibly and how quickly could we return to competence/relevance/prominence/championships?

A) We fire Embree next week and start a coaching search with "big name" candidates.

B) We wait until the end of the season, fire him, and then start a hire a "big name" guy within a couple weeks.

C) We keep Embree another year, and he makes the best staff changes one could possibly hope for.​
 
"B" is the best plan you listed.

May I suggest "D":

Fire Embree after the Utah game. Hire a big name coach with a blank check for hiring his staff. Announce a transformational facility project in January. Push through a "General Studies" major at CU between our new athletics-friendly Regents we vote in next week and a coach who can lobby that through (i.e., a guy like Tedford who can directly use the Cal example).

We'd close recruiting strong with a class in the 40s that had some quality, keep all of the grayshirts we were worried about losing, keep all the current players we were worried would transfer, pick up some transfers, and be positioned for a Top 25 recruiting class next year.
 
Buffnik said:
"B" is the best plan you listed.

May I suggest "D":

Fire Embree after the Utah game. Hire a big name coach with a blank check for hiring his staff. Announce a transformational facility project in January. Push through a "General Studies" major at CU between our new athletics-friendly Regents we vote in next week and a coach who can lobby that through (i.e., a guy like Tedford who can directly use the Cal example).

We'd close recruiting strong with a class in the 40s that had some quality, keep all of the grayshirts we were worried about losing, keep all the current players we were worried would transfer, pick up some transfers, and be positioned for a Top 25 recruiting class next year.
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Pretty good! I'd also allocate more admission exceptions for the football team...at least until we are good again, then let them compete with all applicants.
 
No big name would come here right now. This place is becoming career suicide with the admin.
 
Really, another fire JE thread...... what makes you think this AD is going to do anything after this season?? They held onto Hawkins for five years. Went out and hired a TE coach for the next head coach at CU. I just don't see any changes after this year, unless JE himself makes the changes.
 
hefdub said:
No big name would come here right now. This place is becoming career suicide with the admin.
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Bulls**t, money talks. If we're willing to pay, we can land a big name. It's why football wastelands like
Washington State, Arizona, and CSU were able to land big names.
 
SINKRATZ said:
Bulls**t, money talks. If we're willing to pay, we can land a big name. It's why football wastelands like
Washington State, Arizona, and CSU were able to land big names.
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Washington State took the Pirate who no one wanted to hire for putting that kid in the wood shed. Arizona hired Rodriguez who was viewed as destroying Michigan. CSU hire MCweanie because they had administrative support and a vision.
Look at our last three coaches.
Gary Barnett — unemployed won't get another job.
Hawkins — unemployed won't get another job.
Embree — employed, but if fired won't get another job.

I'd be all for throwing big money at whoever would take it. But with the administration, lack of facilities, cost of higher education in Colorado, lack of guarantees to assistants and lay of the last seven years who would jump at that?

CU's best bet — if they can Black Hawk — is to hope to hit a young hungry coordinator. Look at Tad Boyle. There weren't schools across the country banging on his door. We got lucky with him. Football needs a similar approach because the reality is no big names are coming to this.
 
Nik's plan is forgetting the Junta winning powerball. And hookers and blow.
 
hefdub said:
Washington State took the Pirate who no one wanted to hire for putting that kid in the wood shed. Arizona hired Rodriguez who was viewed as destroying Michigan. CSU hire MCweanie because they had administrative support and a vision.
Look at our last three coaches.
Gary Barnett — unemployed won't get another job.
Hawkins — unemployed won't get another job.
Embree — employed, but if fired won't get another job.

I'd be all for throwing big money at whoever would take it. But with the administration, lack of facilities, cost of higher education in Colorado, lack of guarantees to assistants and lay of the last seven years who would jump at that?

CU's best bet — if they can Black Hawk — is to hope to hit a young hungry coordinator. Look at Tad Boyle. There weren't schools across the country banging on his door. We got lucky with him. Football needs a similar approach because the reality is no big names are coming to this.
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Be clear, Leach and Rich Rod would absolutely have been scooped up by someone regardless of their prior misdeeds. Winning tends to trump bad behavior which is why people keep hiring guys like Calipari.
 
hefdub said:
If nothing else a serious look as offensive coordinator.
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Hire Sonny Dykes. His current OC, Tony Franklin could stay behind at Louisiana Tech to keep the success going. Dykes could hire fellow new school offensive mind down the road, Bob Stitt, to be his OC at CU. All we'd have to do is make damn sure Dykes hires a solid DC to run the defense.
 
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Dunken said:
Really, another fire JE thread...... what makes you think this AD is going to do anything after this season?? They held onto Hawkins for five years. Went out and hired a TE coach for the next head coach at CU. I just don't see any changes after this year, unless JE himself makes the changes.
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Not a fire him thread, I am laying out the three apparent options that I think would appeal to recruits the best. I will support Embree as much as is humanly possible, but at some point real talent will ignore the team, which is why we have virtually no talented upperclassmen. It is not even about how good Embree might be anymore, it is about players needing to see the admin or AD make whatever moves make us better at whatever upfront costs it takes to get there.
 
It's discouraging that scenarios A, B and D are unlikely to happen. D really needs to happen for any hope of long term success.
 
TimmyDUBs said:
Not a fire him thread, I am laying out the three apparent options that I think would appeal to recruits the best. I will support Embree as much as is humanly possible, but at some point real talent will ignore the team, which is why we have virtually no talented upperclassmen. It is not even about how good Embree might be anymore, it is about players needing to see the admin or AD make whatever moves make us better at whatever upfront costs it takes to get there.
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I understand that, but there lies the problem.....the AD. No big time coach is going to take a chance on the head coaching job at CU as long as the current AD is still in place.
 
Dunken said:
I understand that, but there lies the problem.....the AD. No big time coach is going to take a chance on the head coaching job at CU as long as the current AD is still in place.
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Depends on what you mean by "big time coach". If you mean a young Saban, then you are absolutely correct. He left Michigan State for LSU because he didn't want to be the 2nd fiddle program in his own state. He went where there were tons of recruits and no in-state competition. Or the case of Urban Meyer, devout Catholic named for a Pope who had coached at Notre Dame... but wouldn't even take that job because the administration wouldn't relax admission standards so Florida was a much better situation when he was looking to leave Utah.

But there are tons of excellent coaches who would love a crack at 1 of the 12 HC jobs available in the Pac. They don't open up that often. We may have to hire a HC from the MWC or C-USA. We may have to hire a BCS coordinator. We may have to hire an NFL guy with previous BCS coordinator experience. But we sure as **** can get a name guy with one hell of a resume to be our HC at CU.
 
Buffnik said:
Depends on what you mean by "big time coach". If you mean a young Saban, then you are absolutely correct. He left Michigan State for LSU because he didn't want to be the 2nd fiddle program in his own state. He went where there were tons of recruits and no in-state competition. Or the case of Urban Meyer, devout Catholic named for a Pope who had coached at Notre Dame... but wouldn't even take that job because the administration wouldn't relax admission standards so Florida was a much better situation when he was looking to leave Utah.

But there are tons of excellent coaches who would love a crack at 1 of the 12 HC jobs available in the Pac. They don't open up that often. We may have to hire a HC from the MWC or C-USA. We may have to hire a BCS coordinator. We may have to hire an NFL guy with previous BCS coordinator experience. But we sure as **** can get a name guy with one hell of a resume to be our HC at CU.
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But there's only one named after the guy that started The Crusades.
 
Buffnik said:
We may have to hire a HC from the MWC or C-USA. We may have to hire a BCS coordinator. We may have to hire an NFL guy with previous BCS coordinator experience. But we sure as **** can get a name guy with one hell of a resume to be our HC at CU.
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Hinges on the extent to which we open up the check book. I agree with you, most anyone would come here, if we paid enough.
 
I think you could get a guy like Gary Anderson at Utah St. to take this job, or a guy like Craig Bohl at North Dakota State. bottom line is they are Head Coaches with a proven track record.
 
exxon said:
Not saying he should be our next HC, but the mines coach has been getting some good pub.
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Just to let you know that John Wristen and his CSU Pueblo team held Mines to 46 yards rushing and beat them 35-21 this year in Golden. Mines had just one sustained drive all game. Yes CSU Pueblo is ranked #1 in the nation but the CSU Pueblo defense is not that great.
 
Who are these "big names" who would have any interest in CU?

I don't care if it is somebody I've never heard of - bring in a guy who has mastered the X's and O's and has 100% faith and confidence in their own system. We tried the opposite approach with guys who are good recruiters but inexperienced coordinators and it has failed miserably.

Bring in a gameday coach and let the recruiting pieces fall where they may.
 
Buffnik said:
Depends on what you mean by "big time coach". If you mean a young Saban, then you are absolutely correct. He left Michigan State for LSU because he didn't want to be the 2nd fiddle program in his own state. He went where there were tons of recruits and no in-state competition. Or the case of Urban Meyer, devout Catholic named for a Pope who had coached at Notre Dame... but wouldn't even take that job because the administration wouldn't relax admission standards so Florida was a much better situation when he was looking to leave Utah.

But there are tons of excellent coaches who would love a crack at 1 of the 12 HC jobs available in the Pac. They don't open up that often. We may have to hire a HC from the MWC or C-USA. We may have to hire a BCS coordinator. We may have to hire an NFL guy with previous BCS coordinator experience. But we sure as **** can get a name guy with one hell of a resume to be our HC at CU.
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I don't know, can't argue with that.........but........I just don't see it happening, not with the lack of commitment from this AD. They had a chance to do that after the firing of Hawkins, but once again failed.
 
Can ANYONE present a valid argument than "replacing current staff" will solve problems in their very next year? Gee - if that was the case, why didn't it happen in 2011, when Embree & Co arrived with a "new staff"?

"Well, because Embree hired the wrong people." Ah. So NOW he knows all about Good Coaches from Bad? Why is that? Because he's "been in the field" headhunting so much more diligently? He's suddenly going to have an incredibly great new trust level with all the new hires?!! They're all going to make the 100% Absolutely Correct Choices?!!

Uh. Yeah. Riiiight.
 
pwbuffan said:
Just to let you know that John Wristen and his CSU Pueblo team held Mines to 46 yards rushing and beat them 35-21 this year in Golden. Mines had just one sustained drive all game. Yes CSU Pueblo is ranked #1 in the nation but the CSU Pueblo defense is not that great.
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That Pueblo staff has some serious Buff bloodlines.
 
I see Embree staying, but with a major changes made under him. He has potential to be a good coach given time. Only he knows if he has what it takes to fire and hire the right assistants.
 
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