Was Dyer down?

[Buffnik]

Pulled this from Rivals:

 

[The Guest]

I don't think he was. Sadly.

 

[fatbuff]

Not from that picture, but it looked like his wrist was on the ground on the replay. What bowl was it that a TD got called back when the runner's back of his hand/wrist touched the ground on the same kind of play? I think it may have been aTm.

 

[Rraalph 3000]

Every angle I saw of the video (and there were many angles)....no way he was down....good call on the field

 

[PhillyBuff]

There is such a fine line between the hand and the wrist. I think that picture shows that his wrist was not really touching....

It was a hairline decision....

This is sorta deja vu for the 2001 Fiesta where Oregon's RB did the same thing....

 

[SuperiorBuff]

And if they call him down based on his wrist hitting, why wasn't the Oregon pick upheld when his forearm clearly hit the ground prior to him landing out of bounds?

 

[The Guest]

And if they call him down based on his wrist hitting, why wasn't the Oregon pick upheld when his forearm clearly hit the ground prior to him landing out of bounds?

That is a great point! I thought it was a kick-ass interception.

 

[wsp4820]

And if they call him down based on his wrist hitting, why wasn't the Oregon pick upheld when his forearm clearly hit the ground prior to him landing out of bounds?

The Oregon guy didn't maintain control of the ball all the way to the ground. He bobbled it after his wrist was on the ground but before he was all the way out of the air and then regained control after he was out of bounds.

 

[SuperiorBuff]

The Oregon guy didn't maintain control of the ball all the way to the ground. He bobbled it after his wrist was on the ground but before he was all the way out of the air and then regained control after he was out of bounds.

That would explain a lot. I heard the announcers say that after the replay but missed the actual replay.

 

[The Guest]

That would explain a lot. I heard the announcers say that after the replay but missed the actual replay.

I heard the announcers say it, but I didn't see the bobble when I watched the replay. To me it looked as though he had control when his arm dragged the ground.

 

[Hank]

And if they call him down based on his wrist hitting, why wasn't the Oregon pick upheld when his forearm clearly hit the ground prior to him landing out of bounds?

It probably has to do with the standard of proof needed to overturn a call. If I remember correctly, the play you are referring to was not ruled a pick on the field. Although on that play, there may have been enough on the replay to overturn the call on the field. But I'm also not sure that he had possession. It was a close call.

Overall, I thought the game was well officiated. They got a bunch of close calls correct. The only questionable call I can remember is the personal foul following the Matthews-forced fumble. There could have been something going on that the cameras did not show.

 

[wsp4820]

I heard the announcers say it, but I didn't see the bobble when I watched the replay. To me it looked as though he had control when his arm dragged the ground.

If I remember correctly, he did have control as his arm was dragging on the ground, but then he lost control as the rest of his body hit down on the boundary line. He rolled over and regained full control. It would be no different than if his knee hit in bounds as he was on the way down but then he lost control when the rest of his body hit the ground. I think that's a dumb rule, but that's the rule.

 

[Jackal]

I don't think Dyer was down unfortunately. The oregon pick that was called back... was a pick. No Doubt about it! I don't really care for either of those teams, but I did notice through the game that Auburn seemed to get the benefit of nearly all the calls in the game.

I also noticed Fairley from Auburn... plays dirty.

 

[The Guest]

I don't think Dyer was down unfortunately. The oregon pick that was called back... was a pick. No Doubt about it! I don't really care for either of those teams, but I did notice through the game that Auburn seemed to get the benefit of nearly all the calls in the game.

I also noticed Fairley from Auburn... plays dirty.

I think "Herbie" and Brent even called him dirty when he got flagged for the personal.

Nothing about the officiating really bothered me last night.

 

[Lt.Col.FrankSlade]

I think the difference in last night's game, and the Arkansas bowl game (where the player was ruled DOWN) is that in the Arkansas game - it was the ball carrier's BALL CARRYING HAND / WRIST that was on the turf. Last night - the hand that is allegedly "down" is the NON-BALL CARRYING HAND / WRIST.

[video=youtube;VqkAEWVNj6I]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VqkAEWVNj6I&feature=player_embedded#![/video]

 

[Daaah]

I can't see that picture, but I never saw anything made it looked like he was down during the game. That being said, I've always thought that it was a stupid rule that you could basically be tackled, but not called down. But I guess since it doesn't happen much, it's not that big of a deal. And to make another rule about landing entirely on the defender's body or whatever would probably just complicate things.

It is, however, unfortunate that the game was decided by a fluke play.

 

[Buffnik]

Great youtube, slade. It makes absolutely no difference whether we're talking about the arm carrying the ball or not.

 

[BehindEnemyLines]

There is such a fine line between the hand and the wrist. I think that picture shows that his wrist was not really touching....

It was a hairline decision....

This is sorta deja vu for the 2001 Fiesta where Oregon's RB did the same thing....

Ah, poetic justice at play. Same bowl, same team, same type event, but different outcome. Sorry duckies.

 

[GoBuffs08]

I thought he was down but after watching the replays it is pretty clear that he was not. My issue with this type of play is if a second defender would have come in and drilled the RB 99 out of 100 he gets a personal foul and the announcers are telling everyone what a stupid penalty it was.

 

[Daaah]

I thought he was down but after watching the replays it is pretty clear that he was not. My issue with this type of play is if a second defender would have come in and drilled the RB 99 out of 100 he gets a personal foul and the announcers are telling everyone what a stupid penalty it was.

Good point. Also, if the ball is knocked out and then the defender rolls over him, i bet it's not a fumble.

 

[Lt.Col.FrankSlade]

One thing this bowl season has CLEARLY demonstrated is that there is NO CONSENSUS among the officiating -- it is a very SUBJECTIVE part of the game of football.

Not only do we have the differing calls re: whether a player was down (or not) - we also have the varying penalties on the touchdown celebrations. KSU's player gets a huge penalty on the final KSU touchdown, meanwhile the Tennessee QB celebrates 10x more in his bowl game, with no penalty whatsoever.

 

[Lt.Col.FrankSlade]

I thought he was down but after watching the replays it is pretty clear that he was not. My issue with this type of play is if a second defender would have come in and drilled the RB 99 out of 100 he gets a personal foul and the announcers are telling everyone what a stupid penalty it was.

My local radio station was making that point today -- that the defensive players today are so afraid of coming in and making a big hit - because they don't want to get a 15 yard personal foul penalty -- that there were probably some Oregon defenders thinking they couldn't hit Dyer because they might draw a flag.

 

[Buffarino]

So does the ankle count as being down? Because clearly his knee did not touch, but it looked like the ankle did from what i saw last night.

 

[96 Buff]

He wasn't down. The officiating last night was the best I've seen in a long time.

 

[buff4bcs1985]

So does the ankle count as being down? Because clearly his knee did not touch, but it looked like the ankle did from what i saw last night.

this and it looks like the wrist and part of the forearm was down in slades video...

 

[BuffLuke80]

Gotta say no and if something did touch, like ankle or wrist, I dont think it was clear enough to change it. For the record, I didnt think anything touched and it was a good call. Oregon should blame themselves for not finishing the play.

 

[Duff Man]

Hell if I know. They could have called him down and I might well have agreed it. Thank God he was near the sidelines for the coaches to tell him to keep going.

 

[fatbuff]

Doesnt matter. UO deserved to lose for thinking its cool to have the duck ride in on the back of a green Harley. They might as well put the mascot in acid wash 501s. The only thing that I have seen as dumb as the Harley entrance is the KState mascot playing guitar.

 

[Buffarino]

I just wanted OT. Didn't really care who won.

 

[Wyo Buff]

I don't think Dyer was down unfortunately. The oregon pick that was called back... was a pick. No Doubt about it! I don't really care for either of those teams, but I did notice through the game that Auburn seemed to get the benefit of nearly all the calls in the game.

I also noticed Fairley from Auburn... plays dirty.

The sad thing is. . . .Fairley is pretty average other than his dirty reputation. Just another 6"2 fat dude who can move a little. Most of his "TFL's" came when Oregon's QB made the wrong read on the spread option. That guy is no Suh.