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We need some stars

wyomingBUFF

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Just re-watched the Stanford game, and I think that is the difference. We don't break big plays, but routinely get smoked on big plays. Outside of the big plays our D looks pretty solid.

What if we had a stud LB, and dangerous pass rusher on D? We could probably replace Crawley with a solid corner as well.

Remember what life was like on a terrible team but with P Rich at WR? Let's get a legit WR threat. I love Sefo and don't think we currently have better options, but throw in all of the above with an explosive QB and we're there.

It's not coaching, it's recruiting.

Fire away...
 
That's a given, but I'm just saying that a few stars in the mix would be huge. We have none. Think of P Rich's impact. We have nobody at LB. Just a few playmakers and things are a lot different. Obvious, i know. But we are missing playmakers in a big way. Duh, i know...
 
Just when I was getting persuaded into believing stars don't matter.
 
wyomingBUFF said:
Just re-watched the Stanford game, and I think that is the difference. We don't break big plays, but routinely get smoked on big plays. Outside of the big plays our D looks pretty solid.

What if we had a stud LB, and dangerous pass rusher on D? We could probably replace Crawley with a solid corner as well.

Remember what life was like on a terrible team but with P Rich at WR? Let's get a legit WR threat. I love Sefo and don't think we currently have better options, but throw in all of the above with an explosive QB and we're there.

It's not coaching, it's recruiting.

Fire away...
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So aside from difference makers at LB, DL, CB, WR and QB (I'll throw in the OL for you as well), we are all set... Hot takez!
 
TSchekler said:
So aside from difference makers at LB, DL, CB, WR and QB (I'll throw in the OL for you as well), we are all set... Hot takez!
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Yea, yea, i get it.

Not well articulated on my part. My point was just looking at what McCaffery was doing for Stanford and thinking what P Rich did for us when we were so bad (SO much worse than we are now), and thinking that we have ZERO playmakers on this current team.

If we had just ONE, we would be so much better off. Maybe I got a little greedy, but one on D and one on O would make worlds of difference.

We have a bunch of guys that work hard 9-5 and stay late, but nobody that is innovative or a true leader if you want to draw parallels in the business world.

But I'm done, I'll let you guys roast if you want. But I think you know what I mean.
 
wyomingBUFF said:
Yea, yea, i get it.

Not well articulated on my part. My point was just looking at what McCaffery was doing for Stanford and thinking what P Rich did for us when we were so bad (SO much worse than we are now), and thinking that we have ZERO playmakers on this current team.

If we had just ONE, we would be so much better off. Maybe I got a little greedy, but one on D and one on O would make worlds of difference.

We have a bunch of guys that work hard 9-5 and stay late, but nobody that is innovative or a true leader if you want to draw parallels in the business world.

But I'm done, I'll let you guys roast if you want. But I think you know what I mean.
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Just giving you a hard time. I think McCaffrey would be a really good player for CU right now, but he would not be leading the nation in all-purpose yards. He is a very explosive player, but Stanford also has the horses up front to open holes for him and a QB that consistently puts the offense in good positions.

I think CU has a player in Donovan Lee that has the ability to take it to the house on any given play, but he doesn't have close to the supporting cast that CMac does. I think between Donovan Lee, Shay Fields, Devin Ross and even Patrick Carr, the Buffs have explosive potential on offense. The offense simply lacks the consistency and awareness at the QB position, as well as the talent along the OL, to see these explosive players reach their potential at this time.
 
TSchekler said:
Just giving you a hard time. I think McCaffrey would be a really good player for CU right now, but he would not be leading the nation in all-purpose yards. He is a very explosive player, but Stanford also has the horses up front to open holes for him and a QB that consistently puts the offense in good positions.

I think CU has a player in Donovan Lee that has the ability to take it to the house on any given play, but he doesn't have close to the supporting cast that CMac does. I think between Donovan Lee, Shay Fields, Devin Ross and even Patrick Carr, the Buffs have explosive potential on offense. The offense simply lacks the consistency and awareness at the QB position, as well as the talent along the OL, to see these explosive players reach their potential at this time.
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Extremely well put. We have "stars" but the problem is we don't have the smart QB or the road grading/fortress OL that Stanford has.
 
Two top flight o linemen would make a huge difference. Of course a couple of beastly DLinemen wouldn't hurt.
 
lvbuff said:
Two top flight o linemen would make a huge difference. Of course a couple of beastly DLinemen wouldn't hurt.
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While I'm not going to turn down a top flight OL, it is the one position on the field where you are only as good as the weakest link. One missed block blows up many/most plays. Unfortunately, we've seen this time and again this year.
 
We need the horses on the OL and DL. We don't have those horses right now. Maybe they are developing, but between those two positions and LBs, that was the difference between a bowl and where we are now. Yes, better QB play would be nice, but still think outside of a game changer QB those three positions just killed us this year.
 
We have a few difference makers (Fields, Lee, Carr on offense, Thompson and Awuzie on defense) but clearly not enough yet to get over the hump. We need a guy on DL that unless is double teamed, will disrupt plays consistently. If Topou comes back next year maybe he can be the guy. The OL has had so many injuries it's hard to really tell what we have there yet. We can still win with a game manager at QB but we need the rest to click so we are not always playing from behind because, let's be honest, Sefo isn't someone that has shown he shines in crunch time.
 
I do agree that just one BIG star can mask a lot of deficiencies. A couple of stars and you start looking like a good team, of course the more * the better. next.
 
Shldr2Shldr said:
So what you are saying is we need better recruiting to increase the overall talent level on the roster?
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Totally obvious point, but a more nuanced point is that I think many coaches tend to put too much emphasis on, and faith in...well...coaching. Tight control, structure, order, system, practice, playbooks, etc. etc. That's the big difference maker at some levels of football, above and below, but in p5 football, generating and maintaining a pipeline of talent rules (there are exceptions, of course). There is only so much time to practice. It's not the NFL. There are huge disparities in talent in P5, unlike the NFL with free agency, salary caps, etc. Maybe it's a humility thing, coaches thinking that it's all about the coaching. But the savvy head coaches OBSESS on recruiting. They know where their bread is buttered and it's not planning the perfect two minute drill.
 
my only problem with the OP is the implication that recruiting is not part of coaching -- I believe it's the most significant aspect of the job in modern college football.
 
Colorado Track Fan said:
Everything else should take a back seat to recruiting. Everything.
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and my only problem with this post is everything. extreme, exclusive words like 'everything' should be used very carefully when making declarative statements. Recruiting is important. arguably the highest correlating factor to wins, but its not everything.
 
hokiehead said:
and my only problem with this post is everything. extreme, exclusive words like 'everything' should be used very carefully when making declarative statements. Recruiting is important. arguably the highest correlating factor to wins, but its not everything.
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Well, I stand by my statement that recruiting is priority one; therefore, everything else is of a lesser priority, a back seat if you will. I'm certainly not saying that all other aspects of the job/operations should be ignored.

Again, I think there is a tendency for many coaches to focus on the "serious" work of coaching (the "real" job, the "real" work) over recruiting, over the understandably unappealing work of schmoozing some inflated ego punka$$ 17 year old who is playing you off of 20 other schools. But the reality is that I would rather see an obsessive focus on recruiting efforts vs. the film room. I think many coaches are inclined to think the opposite, to their detriment.
 
TSchekler said:
Just giving you a hard time. I think McCaffrey would be a really good player for CU right now, but he would not be leading the nation in all-purpose yards.
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No doubt. Adams would have him in the rotation along with the other RB's on the roster.
 
Big Jim said:
No doubt. Adams would have him in the rotation along with the other RB's on the roster.
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Not sure I'd go that far. He is far and away more talented than any player, let alone RB, we have on the roster at this point. Even the most mediocre offensive coaches would have had him starting from day one.
 
hokiehead said:
my only problem with the OP is the implication that recruiting is not part of coaching -- I believe it's the most significant aspect of the job in modern college football.
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Fair point. I meant game day coaching and "coaching up" players, but yes, see your point.

I think the coaching staff has done a GOOD (not great) job with what they have but the next step totally relies on recruiting. I think the incoming recruiting actually looks pretty solid, but the difference is going to be if a few of those players end up being actual STARS, and not Rippy, Yuri Wright (too soon? no) types.

As far as those referencing OL and DL line play, I do agree. And I think we do have some talent currently on the roster. BUT, remember what P Rich was like. Those teams were SO BAD, there was NO talent around P RICH but he was still a huge threat and made big plays. That's the kind of star I'm referencing.

I hope I'm wrong, but I think we are going to see some stars against USC tonight and they will be the difference
 
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