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We now go to Stillwater, OK
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and unless there is video tape authorized by a notary public or someone turns over the financial records and is willing to give up the goods there is nothing the NCAA will do about it.
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That would be a great fit for them. And if that domino fell, it could break the Big 12 and deliver Larry Scott's wet dream: OU to the Pac-12 without having to shoehorn OSU into the conference.
everyone said the same thing about A&M and UT
This. Why would a conference go after OSU but not OU? They wouldn't.
Exactly.
The better question is, "Why would a single conference want 2 teams from the state of Oklahoma in this era of media markets driving revenue?".
That answers your own question though. A&M is attractive enough in its own right, simply because the population of Texas. Okie Lite isn't. OU is attractive because of its history and status, much like the Nubs. Without that, they're KU, stuck without a prayer other than the Big 12 staying alive. Okie Lite doesn't have that status or history, no matter how much T Boone spends. They're just a little brother school in a small market state. Their entire existence as a school at the level they're at depends on their ties to OU.
Damn...sounds like SI is going to rake them over the coals and drag the process out over a 5-story series. Though it sounds like almost all of this is past the NCAA statute of limitations.
"Part 1(of a 5 part series) will be released tomorrow.
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"The Dirty Game," a SPORTS ILLUSTRATED special investigative report that looks into the transformation of a struggling college football program into a national powerhouse, is set to launch tomorrow morning on SI.com. The series is the result of a comprehensive 10-month investigation into the Oklahoma State University football program. It includes independent and on-the-record interviews with more than 60 former OSU football players who played from 2001 to '10, as well as current and former OSU football staffers.
The findings will be presented in a five-part series across SI's family of platforms, beginning with Part 1 (money), which launches on SI.com tomorrow at 9 a.m. ET and is this week's magazine cover story, on newsstands and tablets Wednesday. Additional live coverage can be found on SI Now, SI.com's live daily talk show (weekdays at 1 p.m. ET) and across SI's social media outlets.
After 11 losing seasons in 12 years, OSU turned itself into one of the top programs in the nation. Since 2002, OSU has had 10 winnings seasons, earned its first Big 12 title and went to its first BCS Bowl. The report reveals that OSU went to extreme measures to build a winning program, with an increased willingness to cut corners and bend rules. The transgressions began under former coach Les Miles, who was the head coach in Stillwater from 2001 to '04 and is now the head coach at LSU, and continued under current head coach Mike Gundy, who was promoted from offensive coordinator in 2005.
"We wanted to take a comprehensive look at a big-time program, particularly one that made a rapid ascent," says Wertheim. "There's obviously a steady drumbeat of scandal in college sports ? improper benefits here; a recruiting violation there ? and plenty of rumor and hearsay about the unseemly underbelly. For this piece, we were more about venturing inside the factory and seeing how the sausage is made."
Parts 2 ? 4 of the report continue on SI.com this week and the series culminates in next week's SI issue and on SI.com. In addition, SI.com will feature videos of former Cowboys talking about their experiences in Stillwater. SI Now will have live coverage and reaction throughout the week. The series will run as follows:
?Part 1: Money (On SI.com Tuesday, 9/10 and in the 9/16/13 SI issue): SI finds that OSU used a bonus system orchestrated by an assistant coach whereby players were paid for their performance on the field, with some stars collecting $500 or more per game. In addition, the report finds that OSU boosters and at least two assistant coaches funneled money to players via direct payments and a system of no-show and sham jobs. Some players say they collected more than $10,000 annually in under-the-table payouts.
?Part 2: Academics (On SI.com Wednesday, 9/11): Widespread academic misconduct, which included tutors and other OSU personnel completing coursework for players, and professors giving passing grades for little or no work, all in the interest of keeping top players eligible.
?Part 3: Drugs (On SI.com Thursday, 9/12): OSU tolerated and at times enabled recreational drug use, primarily through a specious counseling program that allowed some players to continue to use drugs while avoiding penalties. The school's drug policy was selectively enforced, with some stars going unpunished despite repeated positive tests.
?Part 4: Sex (On SI.com Friday, 9/13): OSU's hostess program, Orange Pride, figured so prominently in the recruitment of prospects that the group more than tripled in size under Miles. Both Miles and Gundy took the unusual step of personally interviewing candidates. Multiple former players and Orange Pride members say that a small subset of
the group had sex with recruits, a violation of NCAA rules.
?Part 5: The Fallout (On SI.com Tuesday, 9/17, and in the 9/23/13 SI issue): SI finds that many players who were no longer useful to the football program were cast aside, returning to worlds they had hoped to escape. Some have been incarcerated, others live on the streets, many have battled drug abuse and a few have attempted suicide."
"Part 1(of a 5 part series) will be released tomorrow.
quote:
"The Dirty Game," a SPORTS ILLUSTRATED special investigative report that looks into the transformation of a struggling college football program into a national powerhouse, is set to launch tomorrow morning on SI.com. The series is the result of a comprehensive 10-month investigation into the Oklahoma State University football program. It includes independent and on-the-record interviews with more than 60 former OSU football players who played from 2001 to '10, as well as current and former OSU football staffers.
The findings will be presented in a five-part series across SI's family of platforms, beginning with Part 1 (money), which launches on SI.com tomorrow at 9 a.m. ET and is this week's magazine cover story, on newsstands and tablets Wednesday. Additional live coverage can be found on SI Now, SI.com's live daily talk show (weekdays at 1 p.m. ET) and across SI's social media outlets.
After 11 losing seasons in 12 years, OSU turned itself into one of the top programs in the nation. Since 2002, OSU has had 10 winnings seasons, earned its first Big 12 title and went to its first BCS Bowl. The report reveals that OSU went to extreme measures to build a winning program, with an increased willingness to cut corners and bend rules. The transgressions began under former coach Les Miles, who was the head coach in Stillwater from 2001 to '04 and is now the head coach at LSU, and continued under current head coach Mike Gundy, who was promoted from offensive coordinator in 2005.
"We wanted to take a comprehensive look at a big-time program, particularly one that made a rapid ascent," says Wertheim. "There's obviously a steady drumbeat of scandal in college sports ? improper benefits here; a recruiting violation there ? and plenty of rumor and hearsay about the unseemly underbelly. For this piece, we were more about venturing inside the factory and seeing how the sausage is made."
Parts 2 ? 4 of the report continue on SI.com this week and the series culminates in next week's SI issue and on SI.com. In addition, SI.com will feature videos of former Cowboys talking about their experiences in Stillwater. SI Now will have live coverage and reaction throughout the week. The series will run as follows:
?Part 1: Money (On SI.com Tuesday, 9/10 and in the 9/16/13 SI issue): SI finds that OSU used a bonus system orchestrated by an assistant coach whereby players were paid for their performance on the field, with some stars collecting $500 or more per game. In addition, the report finds that OSU boosters and at least two assistant coaches funneled money to players via direct payments and a system of no-show and sham jobs. Some players say they collected more than $10,000 annually in under-the-table payouts.
?Part 2: Academics (On SI.com Wednesday, 9/11): Widespread academic misconduct, which included tutors and other OSU personnel completing coursework for players, and professors giving passing grades for little or no work, all in the interest of keeping top players eligible.
?Part 3: Drugs (On SI.com Thursday, 9/12): OSU tolerated and at times enabled recreational drug use, primarily through a specious counseling program that allowed some players to continue to use drugs while avoiding penalties. The school's drug policy was selectively enforced, with some stars going unpunished despite repeated positive tests.
?Part 4: Sex (On SI.com Friday, 9/13): OSU's hostess program, Orange Pride, figured so prominently in the recruitment of prospects that the group more than tripled in size under Miles. Both Miles and Gundy took the unusual step of personally interviewing candidates. Multiple former players and Orange Pride members say that a small subset of
the group had sex with recruits, a violation of NCAA rules.
?Part 5: The Fallout (On SI.com Tuesday, 9/17, and in the 9/23/13 SI issue): SI finds that many players who were no longer useful to the football program were cast aside, returning to worlds they had hoped to escape. Some have been incarcerated, others live on the streets, many have battled drug abuse and a few have attempted suicide."
So they are saying that attractive young women sometimes "know" strapping young football stars in Oklahoma and that some of those football stars also sometimes cheat on exams? Oh the horror! And the poor guys who do not end up playing inevitably go back to their lives of abject poverty, drug addiction and crime? Sounds like another fluff piece to me that uses hyperbole to blow-up common infractions that happen everywhere. So sick of the sanctimonious bull**** that comes out of the sports media these days.
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?Part 4: Sex (On SI.com Friday, 9/13): OSU's hostess program, Orange Pride, figured so prominently in the recruitment of prospects that the group more than tripled in size under Miles. Both Miles and Gundy took the unusual step of personally interviewing candidates. Multiple former players and Orange Pride members say that a small subset of
skinamax will be signing up for that one
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... with a mouthful of grass.
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Mike Holder (OSU AD) has already apologized for what has happened in advance of the SI release. Must be worse than everyone thought?
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http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/co...a-state-part-1-money/?sct=hp_t11_a2&eref=sihp
First part is out.
I remember Bobby Reid at OSU as the starting QB from CU's days in the Big 12. Gifted athlete. Then after that "I'm 40! I'm a Man!" rant by Gundy, Reid was hardly heard of again and I believe he transferred to Texas Southern.
The reason why the athletes were paid in cash is to simply evade not only tracking by the school itself but the IRS because one of the basic understandings as an accountant is that tracing cash isn't possible. The boosters know this and probably do not report it on their taxes. If the players were in compliance with the IRS, chances are good that the NCAA could obtain the tax information of that player and have the smoking gun to declare that player permantely inegibile due to the violation of the rules of amauterism. Even if you are paid in cash, the IRS still expects to collect taxes from you. So as a college athlete, you have some choices: follow the law and risk being inegible from playing for your school or accept the money and risk an IRS audit down the road which the NCAA could pick up on and whack the program for past violations such as the ones alleged by OSU. The player is put in a no win situation.
I'm not claiming to know what it's like to be a D1 athlete because I was never one but I believe I do understand some of their plights because some of them are shared by students of many colleges. I did recieve public assistance for school along with student loans even if I didn't work the summer before school started. Even after all of the expenses have been paid for, if you get more money than necessary, the school sends you a check and sometimes you do get up to several thousand dollars...some time just a few hundred bucks to live on. It varies by insitution. Some insitutions might see those students get more money paid to them after all expenses have been accounted for than other instutions. There are many factors involved in how much money you get. Sometimes the student will live in an area where it is cheap to live and eat. Sometimes not especially if you are in high cost cities such as Denver, Los Angeles (you hear their stories from Californians who moved to CO), Washington DC, etc.
Should it be an issue to anyone who gets paid $400.00 to move a Christmas tree as one OSU player got for just doing that? Would a normal student get that kind of money from that same booster? Probably not but should it be anyone's business outside of the athlete's and booster's?
But when it comes to coaches paying players, I think that is where the line has to be drawn. With the fast rise of coaching salaries, could it be attributed to the increase of payments to athletes? Is it time to clamp down on such salaries?
So many questions and so little answers.
First part is out.
I remember Bobby Reid at OSU as the starting QB from CU's days in the Big 12. Gifted athlete. Then after that "I'm 40! I'm a Man!" rant by Gundy, Reid was hardly heard of again and I believe he transferred to Texas Southern.
The reason why the athletes were paid in cash is to simply evade not only tracking by the school itself but the IRS because one of the basic understandings as an accountant is that tracing cash isn't possible. The boosters know this and probably do not report it on their taxes. If the players were in compliance with the IRS, chances are good that the NCAA could obtain the tax information of that player and have the smoking gun to declare that player permantely inegibile due to the violation of the rules of amauterism. Even if you are paid in cash, the IRS still expects to collect taxes from you. So as a college athlete, you have some choices: follow the law and risk being inegible from playing for your school or accept the money and risk an IRS audit down the road which the NCAA could pick up on and whack the program for past violations such as the ones alleged by OSU. The player is put in a no win situation.
I'm not claiming to know what it's like to be a D1 athlete because I was never one but I believe I do understand some of their plights because some of them are shared by students of many colleges. I did recieve public assistance for school along with student loans even if I didn't work the summer before school started. Even after all of the expenses have been paid for, if you get more money than necessary, the school sends you a check and sometimes you do get up to several thousand dollars...some time just a few hundred bucks to live on. It varies by insitution. Some insitutions might see those students get more money paid to them after all expenses have been accounted for than other instutions. There are many factors involved in how much money you get. Sometimes the student will live in an area where it is cheap to live and eat. Sometimes not especially if you are in high cost cities such as Denver, Los Angeles (you hear their stories from Californians who moved to CO), Washington DC, etc.
Should it be an issue to anyone who gets paid $400.00 to move a Christmas tree as one OSU player got for just doing that? Would a normal student get that kind of money from that same booster? Probably not but should it be anyone's business outside of the athlete's and booster's?
But when it comes to coaches paying players, I think that is where the line has to be drawn. With the fast rise of coaching salaries, could it be attributed to the increase of payments to athletes? Is it time to clamp down on such salaries?
So many questions and so little answers.
All osu fans: "totally worth it"
All recruits: Totally worth it. (though maybe not as enthusiastically as Auburn recruits...)
Was that also a quote from the article?
Dude! You didn't eat both bags did you?
