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Buffnik

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The University of Missouri did not investigate or tell law enforcement officials about an alleged rape, possibly by one or more members of its football team, despite administrators finding out about the alleged 2010 incident more than a year ago, an "Outside the Lines" investigation has found. The alleged victim, a member of the swim team, committed suicide in 2011.

http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_...ot-pursue-rape-case-lines-investigation-finds

There are scandals and there are scandals. As we well know, sex scandals sell. Throw in "cover-up" and "suicide" and this has all the ingredients to end up somewhere between CU's scandal from a decade ago and Ped State's from a couple years ago. ESPN better be careful with this one and give it the attention it warrants or they risk allegations of them protecting their SEC brand.
 
Sh*tty situation all around. I feel like Mizzou will be able to hide behind bureaucratic process on most of this though. How a rape gets reported in a newspaper, and noone asks whether it was being investigated or not is ridiculous.
 
This statement bothers me (along with the rest of the story): "An important consideration in deciding how to address a report of a sexual incident is to determine what the alleged victim wants," Moller wrote in an email.

Are they not legally bound to disclose to police once they suspect something? You can't choose non-action based on the supposed wishes of the victim. Once a crime is believed to have occurred they are responsible to investigate. Am I right?
 
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goalline said:
This statement bothers me: "An important consideration in deciding how to address a report of a sexual incident is to determine what the alleged victim wants," Moller wrote in an email.

Are they not legally bound to disclose to police once they suspect something? You can't choose non-action based on the supposed wishes of the victim. Once a crime is believed to have occurred they are responsible to investigate. Am I right?
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I've always thought that it was strange in our legal system that all sorts of assaults occur without any penalty because it's up to an intimidated, traumatized and afraid victim to decide whether or not to press charges.
 
Buffnik said:
I've always thought that it was strange in our legal system that all sorts of assaults occur without any penalty because it's up to an intimidated, traumatized and afraid victim to decide whether or not to press charges.
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byproduct of the legal system. You don't need the victim to win at trial... but it generally makes it a lot harder to win.
 
Gut wrenching. And yet I am taken back in our own history and don't want to rush to judgement. If true, some people belong in jail.

At what cost winning? Certainly not at that cost.
 
pcbuff said:
Gut wrenching. And yet I am taken back in our own history and don't want to rush to judgement. If true, some people belong in jail.

At what cost winning? Certainly not at that cost.
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We don't know that one or more Missouri football players committed rape.

What we do know is:

1) School administrators chose not to investigate or report an allegation.
2) The alleged victim was traumatized enough by events in her life to commit suicide.

That's enough to get me pissed off at Missouri on this one.
 
goalline said:
This statement bothers me (along with the rest of the story): "An important consideration in deciding how to address a report of a sexual incident is to determine what the alleged victim wants," Moller wrote in an email.

Are they not legally bound to disclose to police once they suspect something? You can't choose non-action based on the supposed wishes of the victim. Once a crime is believed to have occurred they are responsible to investigate. Am I right?
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The statement is bad, but the context is horrifying (for those of you who haven't read it). The Mizzou representative is justifying the fact that they are STILL declining to launch an investigation AFTER seeing the OTL report because they believe the victim wishes it not to be investigated due to the fact she never reported it to police when alive.

Horrible.

I know from CU's "scandal" that there may or may not be football players who did bad things. But the absolutely terrifying part is that officials are looking the other way and continuing to look the other way.
 
That's why I said, "investigate" - not prosecute. Although, in this case, if they could ID the men in the video, that would be a pretty strong case for prosecution. Surely, someone (the boyfriend at the time or the camera man) knows who they are.
 
pcbuff said:
Gut wrenching. And yet I am taken back in our own history and don't want to rush to judgement. If true, some people belong in jail.

At what cost winning? Certainly not at that cost.
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And what is it about CU's history that takes you back? What facts do you have that would cause you concern?
 
Buffnik said:
We don't know that one or more Missouri football players committed rape.

What we do know is:

1) School administrators chose not to investigate or report an allegation.
2) The alleged victim was traumatized enough by events in her life to commit suicide.

That's enough to get me pissed off at Missouri on this one.
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Mizzou has released an e-mail exchange with the ESPiN reporter where they lay out some concerns. Just at first reading, some of their points seem like they make some sense.
 
When the coach referenced that what if a person needed surgery but was unable to decide if they needed it but the consensus was that they needed it they should do it. Well why didn't people around her determine that same thing with regards to her sexual assault/rape? This whole situation is saddening, she was correct saying the system failed her.
 
Buffnik said:
I've always thought that it was strange in our legal system that all sorts of assaults occur without any penalty because it's up to an intimidated, traumatized and afraid victim to decide whether or not to press charges.
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I think the victims or their families should have a say so to speak. But ultimately, the prosecuting authority should press charges when appropriate with or without their support.
 
Darth Snow said:
byproduct of the legal system. You don't need the victim to win at trial... but it generally makes it a lot harder to win.
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Yeah that's all true, still bad though. Take the Castro thing -- one of the reasons behind the plea deal was they wanted to spare the victims of having to relive it. And in that sense, who wants to relive 10 years of hell. But why should Castro have benefitted from this and not gotten the death penalty.

Of course it was all moot, when he committed suicide.
 
****ing tragic, My first wife took her own life, it haunts my daughter with her, and will I believe for life. This is the loss of a child, I feel for them and hope whatever their wishes are, that UM follows through.
 
Awful story. Feel so bad for the family. God rest her soul.

How can you read that story and not feel that Missery covered up or at least did not want to bring the exposure of an investigation upon their prized football team?!
 
BuffHerd said:
Awful story. Feel so bad for the family. God rest her soul.

How can you read that story and not feel that Missery covered up or at least did not want to bring the exposure of an investigation upon their prized football team?!
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It's tragic, no question. But reading that email exchange between ESPN and Mizzou, I can see the other side (assuming everything they're saying is true). There's probably a lot more I don't know about, but after reading that it didn't strike me as an obvious cover up.
 
This is tragic for all involved. I cannot imagine what the young lady's family must be going through. Nothing, outside my family, is that important to me to cover up wrong goings andlet events get to this stage.
Universities are in panic mode now after the University of Montana and Penn State events. I've worked as faculty for a PAC-12 univ and now a smaller D1 unit and at both places we had to take an oath to report abuse immediately. Title 9 is very real and has universities very nervous (lots of Fed $$$ at risk). I don't pretend to know the events at MU but I suspect that it will become real very quickly.
 
Didn't Missouri have a basketball transfer recently who wasn't charged after a similar incident?
 
Waldo said:
And what is it about CU's history that takes you back? What facts do you have that would cause you concern?
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The press conference followed by rush to judgement in the media and the bashing our program took as a result. The story appears very differenct here. My point was I will wait to see it play out.
 
bombay said:
Michael Dixon. Never charged.
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It sounds like, at the least, the Prosecution reviewed the case before deciding not to press charges. And they normaly try not to take cases to trial unless they can win or there is extraordinary public pressure/profile to do so. Sadly, in a lot of these cases there is too much alcohol, and too many instances of previous consensual cohabitation that it makes the cases extraordinarily hard for the prosecutor and very easy for the defense.

Its terrible what happened to this girl, please don't get me wrong.
 
Reading the Tiger chat board is tough. The consensus from their viewpoint is that the young lady had mental issues and the family is less than forthcoming. Hatchet job by ESPN is a central theme.

I see that as blaming the victim. I guess if I ever had to deal with this with any of my children, rational thought may not be central to my response.

I'm glad ESPN is out there turning over rocks. Even if nothing comes from it, it will be a case study on how things can go horribly wrong in the life of a young college student.
 
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