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We take you now to Chapel Hill, NC ... AGAIN

L Buff

L Buff

Commissar of the Albuffs Collective Left
Could suck to be a Tarheel for the next few months/years. Or more than it already does. :lol:


CHAPEL HILL, N.C. (AP) — More than 3,100 students — nearly half of them athletes — enrolled in classes they didn't have to show up for and received artificially inflated grades in what an investigator called a "shadow curriculum" that lasted nearly two decades at the University of North Carolina.

The report released Wednesday by former high-ranking U.S. Justice Department official Kenneth Wainstein found more far-reaching academic fraud than previous investigations by the school and the NCAA.

Many at the university hoped Wainstein's investigation would bring some closure to the long-running scandal, which is rooted in an NCAA investigation focused on improper benefits within the football program in 2010. Instead, findings of a systemic problem in the former African and Afro-American Studies department could lead to NCAA sanctions. At least nine university employees were fired or have had disciplinary procedures started against them in light of the report, chancellor Carol Folt said. She wouldn't identify them.

"I think it's very clear that this is an academic, an athletic and a university problem," Folt said.
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89BUFF89 said:
I suspect they are not alone in this practice...
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Only question is how many and how much.
 
Our faculty are very concerned about the reputation of Virginia Tech's players and Virginia Tech's team ... Part of our concern all along has been the way that sports and athletes fit into the university. There is very little tolerance on our campus for misdeeds and misbehavior by athletes. I'm not saying we're any better, but I do know what happens around here when somebody gets into trouble.
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Dr. Sue Estroff
Chair of the Faculty, University of North Carolina - Chapel Hill

statement issued in 2003, on the expansion of the Atlantic Coast Conference

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Legitimate concern at this point.

How long til a former "student"- athlete sues the school for failing to deliver the eductation they were promised in exchange for playing and generating revenue for the school.

You can argue that the athletes willingly participated and they did but they could easily argue that they were young and the culture forced them to participate. I wonder which side the average jury would believe after 18 years and over 3,000 students were involved and faculty members are facing criminal charges.
 
hokiehead said:
Dr. Sue Estroff
Chair of the Faculty, University of North Carolina - Chapel Hill

statement issued in 2003, on the expansion of the Atlantic Coast Conference

schadenfreude
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Hoisted on her own petard. :lol:


That sounds kinda dirty, doesn't it? :huh:
 
The report released Wednesday by former high-ranking U.S. Justice Department official Kenneth Wainstein found more far-reaching academic fraud than previous investigations by the school and the NCAA.
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This was the part that stood out to me the most.

The school was made aware and said they'd investigate, and didn't "find" this. Ok, sure

But the NCAA also was made aware, investigated, and didn't find this. WTF? Here's what this means to me:


NCAA investigator to School head of compliance: "Did you guys cheat?"
Head of compliance: "Nope"
NCAA investigator: "Cool. Well, I'll do nothing for a few months so it seems like I'm working, then I'll release that you guys are good to go. Thanks for your help in our investigation."
 
Tractor said:
This was the part that stood out to me the most.

The school was made aware and said they'd investigate, and didn't "find" this. Ok, sure

But the NCAA also was made aware, investigated, and didn't find this. WTF? Here's what this means to me:


NCAA investigator to School head of compliance: "Did you guys cheat?"
Head of compliance: "Nope"
NCAA investigator: "Cool. Well, I'll do nothing for a few months so it seems like I'm working, then I'll release that you guys are good to go. Thanks for your help in our investigation."
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You make a good point. This is the same organization that bungled a case-closed situation in Miami a few years ago, and determined it's perfectly normal for Oregon to pay $25,000 to somebody who happens to be close to an athlete to do absolutely nothing. Ohio State? Don't get me started.

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This seems like a pretty clear departure from the best interests of, well, all parties. Does this feel Death Penalty-ee?
 
Burrito Palazzo said:
This seems like a pretty clear departure from the best interests of, well, all parties. Does this feel Death Penalty-ee?
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I'd be all for it because I hate them. That said, I doubt that ever happens again. They deserve tough penalties. Also, I don't pretend this doesn't go on at plenty of places. Don't get caught.
 
Burrito Palazzo said:
This seems like a pretty clear departure from the best interests of, well, all parties. Does this feel Death Penalty-ee?
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If it were a MAC team or Big Sky they would be looking at huge sanctions.

Instead the NCAA gets a phone call from CBS Sports programing department saying "Remember that X number of our top 20 rated college basketball broadcast including UNC before you decide on a response" and we sure wouldn't want to hurt ratings this year.

UNC then throws some mid-level administrator under the bus, gets docked one scholarship for two seasons (later reduced to one season) and promises to be good in the future. Case closed.
 
MtnBuff said:
If it were a MAC team or Big Sky they would be looking at huge sanctions.

Instead the NCAA gets a phone call from CBS Sports programing department saying "Remember that X number of our top 20 rated college basketball broadcast including UNC before you decide on a response" and we sure wouldn't want to hurt ratings this year.

UNC then throws some mid-level administrator under the bus, gets docked one scholarship for two seasons (later reduced to one season) and promises to be good in the future. Case closed.
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“The NCAA is so mad at Kentucky it will probably slap another two years probation on Cleveland State.’’ Jerry Tarkanian
 
Illegal Jesus said:
Man, its one thing to take improper benefits, but to completely defile the education system would seem like a death penalty to me. Not sure how the NCAA doesn't come down hard here.
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See the Jerry Tark quote above in 76's post. That about sums it up.

What I will find interesting (much more than anything the NCAA may or will not do, because ... well, **** them) is how many more UNC "student-athletes" will come forward and maybe even bring a class-action suit for breach of contract ... and then maybe also at other schools.
 
L Buff said:
See the Jerry Tark quote above in 76's post. That about sums it up.

What I will find interesting (much more than anything the NCAA may or will not do, because ... well, **** them) is how many more UNC "student-athletes" will come forward and maybe even bring a class-action suit for breach of contract ... and then maybe also at other schools.
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Good point. You know those guys who are in the same situation and came out of School with no degree, basically doing nothing, will see this as a way to get paid. Probably opened up the flood gates here.
 
UNC seems to be admitting wrongdoing but arguing that the NCAA has no standing.
 
Buffnik said:
UNC seems to be admitting wrongdoing but arguing that the NCAA has no standing.
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Beyond the scope at UNC, no position at ****bailer, might as well shut them down as an organization now and put them out of their misery.
 
This scandal above all others irks me. Just a damn shame and serves as an epitome of how college athletics can make a mockery of what should be one our foremost interests, higher education.

For those that have asked in a few posts above, I believe a lawsuit has already been put forth by a former football player. I don't know what happened to it though - was years ago.

I respect UNC a lot, but they need severe punishment, and then...the NCAA needs to undergo some drastic changes. Seriously, this one scandal makes me hate college sports. I hate the NCAA...
 
dyemeduke said:
This scandal above all others irks me. Just a damn shame and serves as an epitome of how college athletics can make a mockery of what should be one our foremost interests, higher education.

For those that have asked in a few posts above, I believe a lawsuit has already been put forth by a former football player. I don't know what happened to it though - was years ago.

I respect UNC a lot, but they need severe punishment, and then...the NCAA needs to undergo some drastic changes. Seriously, this one scandal makes me hate college sports. I hate the NCAA...
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Couldn't be your Duke allegiance coloring your perception no?
 
dyemeduke said:
This scandal above all others irks me. Just a damn shame and serves as an epitome of how college athletics can make a mockery of what should be one our foremost interests, higher education.

For those that have asked in a few posts above, I believe a lawsuit has already been put forth by a former football player. I don't know what happened to it though - was years ago.

I respect UNC a lot, but they need severe punishment, and then...the NCAA needs to undergo some drastic changes. Seriously, this one scandal makes me hate college sports. I hate the NCAA...
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It was worse. They were literally stealing their athlete's youth. **** unc. No respect.
 
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