What happens if we get what we want?

[SuperD]

Lets play this out and assume the admin decides that "worst in every statistical category" is not an acceptable level of performance at CU. Do we actually think they are going to pony up the money and facilities commitment that it will take to bring in a guy to turnaround recruiting, particularly this year like Mora did at UCLA last year?

 

[RalphieSpeaks]

Lets play this out and assume the admin decides that "worst in every statistical category" is not an acceptable level of performance at CU. Do we actually think they are going to pony up the money and facilities commitment that it will take to bring in a guy to turnaround recruiting, particularly this year like Mora did at UCLA last year?

I honestly think you have to get the coach first. You are not going to get the donors on board with big donations for facilities when you look like this on the field.

 

[dio]

Yes - I think they will get it all done. Call it a hunch

 

[Buffnik]

Yes. I think this would actually help the facilities project. Much of the holdup with the large boosters seems to be due to a perceived lack of leadership with CU athletics. It would appear they are reluctant to invest in an enterprise that is mismanaged.

 

[Walter White]

I honestly think you have to get the coach first. You are not going to get the donors on board with big donations for facilities when you look like this on the field.

10000000000% true. If you have the right leader, everything else falls into place. That's the way it works.

 

[VCBuff]

Yes. I think this would actually help the facilities project. Much of the holdup with the large boosters seems to be due to a perceived lack of leadership with CU athletics. It would appear they are reluctant to invest in an enterprise that is mismanaged.

Nikk - Is there any chance that if Embree is retained and the implosion continues, that since it would be obvious that it was Benson and Distefano's call that they might be the ones facing the repercussions (as opposed to Bohn)? Could there be any repercussions for them - is the only way they get removed by resignation or being voted out?

 

[Denver_sc]

10000000000% true. If you have the right leader, everything else falls into place. That's the way it works.

That's... that's.... that's a lotta truth. Very truthy. Lots of truthiness.

 

[dio]

Nikk - Is there any chance that if Embree is retained and the implosion continues, that since it would be obvious that it was Benson and Distefano's call that they might be the ones facing the repercussions (as opposed to Bohn)? Could there be any repercussions for them - is the only way they get removed by resignation or being voted out?

Benson and DiStefano seem to be completely immune from nearly anything, outside of a massive scandal

 

[Buffnik]

Nikk - Is there any chance that if Embree is retained and the implosion continues, that since it would be obvious that it was Benson and Distefano's call that they might be the ones facing the repercussions (as opposed to Bohn)? Could there be any repercussions for them - is the only way they get removed by resignation or being voted out?

Benson's contract ends after this year, right? I believe CU President is a 5-year term. He turns 75 in July. Benson is expected to be gone after this school year.

The question is whether he chooses to avoid dealing with this or whether the fact that he's nearing the end causes him to want to make a final, legacy-making move on the football program (coach, support & facilities)?

 

[Walter White]

that's... That's.... That's a lotta truth. Very truthy. Lots of truthiness.

lol

 

[boydbuff]

Cal managed to get Tedford when they hadn't had a winning season in like a decade and had just gone 1-10. They had terrible facilities, etc. B/c he helped turn the program around and generate wins, the alumni and donor base was activated and they built world-class facilities.

Of course things have declined at Cal the past few years but it shows that a.) you can bring in a quality coach even in our dire circumstances; and b.) a good coach can generate enthusiasm for the program and help to attract resources for facilities upgrades.

 

[VCBuff]

The question is whether he chooses to avoid dealing with this or whether the fact that he's nearing the end causes him to want to make a final, legacy-making move on the football program (coach, support & facilities)?[/QUOTE]

But there isn't anything in his track record indicating that is of any importance to him, correct?

I am still convinced Embree gets another year. The only positive that I can see coming out of that is if the implosion is so bad that the lack of leadership from the administration gets to share in the blame. There needs to be bigger changes other than just the head coach for this program to succeed. Benson being gone won't hurt - assuming his replacement isn't as apathetic as he is. But if the first thing the next president has to address is a very public s&@*tstorm created in part from the failures of the last president, it might provide the necessary motivation for that president to be pro-active, as opposed to re-active with regard to the athletics program.

 

[Deleted member 807]

Benson and DiStefano seem to be completely immune from nearly anything, outside of a massive scandal

They have done a masterful job of leading from behind.

But it will be hard to hide from the pent up frustration amongst the fans following a decade of decling fortunes of which are decidedly not the fault of Jon Embree alone.

Benson and DiStephano are not immune to critism from their constituents for their stewardship of CU. Our university leadership neglected the football program for the length of their tenure, choosing inaction over action, choosing to be penny smart and dollar dumb.

The fruits of this hands-off approach were predictable as they are dire. We are where we are today as a direct result of their leadership, or lack thereof.

They are and will be made accountable for de-emphasing the role of athletics versus the broader expansionist priorities of the CU four campus system.

Even if there is not a day of reckoning embodied by a vote of no confidence by the regents, there is still a clear devaluation of the CU brand that transpired under their watch. The friends of CU football do not trust their University leadership to fix something they broke.

The friends of CU football are weary of waiting for survey results. We are insulted by the perception that the school broke. We are tired of hearing about how donors are not stepping up, when our attempts to do so are met with indifference.

Even if this frustration with leadership does not topple the power structure and replace it with something more football friendly, there is still consolation in the fact that Bruce Benson and Phil DiStephano are not immune to the incessant marching of father time. They are nearing the end of their careers at CU one way or the other.