What's new
By:
  • Prime Time. Prime Time. Its a new era for Colorado football. Consider signing up for a club membership! For $20/year, you can get access to all the special features at Allbuffs, including club member only forums, dark mode, avatars and best of all no ads ! But seriously, please sign up so that we can pay the bills. No one earns money here, and we can use your $20 to keep this hellhole running. You can sign up for a club membership by navigating to your account in the upper right and clicking on "Account Upgrades". Make it happen!

What should be the plan at QB & who is the starter this week?

Buffnik

Buffnik

Real name isn't Nik
Club Member
Junta Member
I think Salter is our most dynamic playmaker. When he's cooking, that's our best team.

Unfortunately, he also has some flaws like not being a leader, not being good at reading a defense or processing what he sees, being an inaccurate passer, throwing sidearm even from the pocket, reacting to phantom pressure by backpedaling into an impossible situation for the OL to give protection, being indecisive and late on most of his decisions, and either not studying film to prepare like he should or maybe just not being smart enough to make that work matter.

So, we could stick with him and we'll see the same problems every week where teams dare us to throw.

Other option is to give Staub another shot to protect JuJu and maybe allow him to redshirt. At least there the OC can trust that the play called will be executed as it was drawn up and the deep ball accuracy and release timing will be better. But it's not like his Houston start wasn't a disaster. He really seems like a solid QB2 to come into the game in a relief situation or get you through a couple weeks if there's an injury, but I don't see him as a legit starter on a good P4 team.

Is it JuJu time? He may not be ready, but live snaps accelerate development. There's definitely a need to know whether he's the guy for 2026 or if money needs to be spent for a starting QB this offseason. It really depends on how far away from ready he actually is because the fastest way to lose a locker room is to write off the season and play for the future - particularly when you're one of the oldest teams in the country and this is the last rodeo for 1/3 of the roster.

I don't know.
 
Last edited:
I don’t think Salter makes the offense cook even when it is cooking. That’s 100% the line and the running backs. Obvious passing down plays are a giant dumpster fire aside from a one out of 10 play that works because his first read is open and there isn’t a defender in his face. We need someone who can pass with at least some sort of efficiency.

And our wr aren’t doing him any favors. Dropping catchable albeit imperfect throws isn’t a way to win
 
Last edited:
Buffnik said:
I think Saltef is our most dynamic playmaker. When he's cooking, that's our best team.

Unfortunately, he also has some flaws like not being a leader, not being good at reading a defense or processing what he sees, being an inaccurate passer, throwing sidearm even from the pocket, reacting to phantom pressure by backpedaling into an impossible situation for the OL to give protection, being indecisive and late on most of his decisions, and either not studying film to prepare like he should or maybe just not being smart enough to make that work matter.

So, we could stick with him and we'll see the same problems every week where teams dare us to throw.

Other option is to give Staub another shot to protect JuJu and maybe allow him to redshirt. At least there the OC can trust that the play called will be executed as it was drawn up and the deep ball accuracy and release timing will be better. But it's not like his Houston start wasn't a disaster. He really seems like a solo QB2 to come into the game in a relief situation or get you through a couple weeks if there's an injury, but I don't see him as a legit starter on a good P4 team.

Is it JuJu time? He may not be ready, but live snaps accelerate development. There's definitely a need to know whether he's the guy for 2026 or if money needs to be spent for a starting QB this offseason. It really depends on how far away from ready he actually is because the fastest way to lose a locker room is to write off the season and play for the future - party when you're one of the oldest teams in the country and this is the last rodeo for 1/3 of the roster.

I don't know.
Click to expand...

I don't know what the answer is. I hate to single out players, but Salter's game made me ill. He threw 3 picks, but it could have easily been 5-7. This is not the 1st stinker that a CU QB has suffered on the road, but this one felt different, since the O guys played hard throughout, sometimes turning dead plays into 1st downs. The Oline held up. When we had 3rd/4th and short we got the yard or two.

IMO, the O players should be commended as they tried and did about everything they could in their power to turn this around. Although Salter had 3 drives with great moments, I thought he totally regressed as the game went on and it was not the Oline, RBs, TEs or Wrs letting him down. He went from being a mobile QB who could hurt you his your legs to either pitter-patter feet or just tip-toeing not to get hurt. He went from looking dynamic, to Pat having to dumb things so much down that it was one read and get the ball out. I'm not even sure if we had a great QB coach, that person could turn him around appreciably.

The QB position is back to the drawing board. If we were in the NFL, a team would find a Jamies Winston type (you can name others) out there and bring him in. Can't do that in college. Agree the Salter has the more dynamic tools, but it has to be tough to have both the O and D play very inspired ball and that be the outcome. I'm not sure this continues. It is probably time to send in JuJu and see what he can do, at least play him the 4 games to keep his redshirt and healthy. If Juju finds tough going, Staub can give it a go and see what he can do. Juju can always be an option in relief or come in for a different look.

I'll close my post with exactly what you said, "I don't know."
 
Last edited:
The Alabaster Yak said:
If it’s determined that Salter is still the best chance for a W, I think you roll with him one more week. I’m just not sure that’s true anymore. Those INTs were inexcusable and directly cost CU the game.
Click to expand...
On the heels of the situational mismanagement against BYU when he did things like take bad sacks that took the team out of FG range (among other things).

The BYU and TCU defensive adjustments will mean that every week now will be pressing up to stop the run & short passes, zone coverage to contain QB runs, and a lot of disguised blitzing and coverages where things aren't shown until the headset mic to the QB is turned off (15 seconds on the play clock).
 
The Alabaster Yak said:
If it’s determined that Salter is still the best chance for a W, I think you roll with him one more week. I’m just not sure that’s true anymore. Those INTs were inexcusable and directly cost CU the game.
Click to expand...
I'm on board with you @The Alabaster Yak. I didn't feel like Pat's game plan or play calling were really a problem, rather Salter regressing as the game went ahead was the problem that then impacted the play calling. We needed a Gamer out there.

I would like to say we trot Salter back out there for ISU, but will the team play for him? They played hard for him last night on both sides of the ball.
 
Unless we can script 12 series instead of 2, Salter clearly isn't the answer and I realize that isn't possible.

I do wonder if we couldn't have 2 series scripted for Salter and then 2 series scripted for JuJu.
 
Jello Bear said:
Simply put, I'd be much more forgiving of watching a 17 year old freshman throw 3 picks versus the transfer senior.
Click to expand...
Exactly.

Salter prevents us from winning, as evidenced last night. The rest of team was playing hard and tough.

You can’t have a SENIOR QB incapable of operating a passing game. The whole point of having a SENIOR QB is that he can operate the offense.

You can see every time he drops back, he has NO idea what’s happening in front of him. One read and bail out.

He should never start another game for us.
 
Salter’s flaws heavily outshine his pros. His running ability is great but as evidenced last night, it can easily be taken away and then we’re stuck with a very below average passer for the P4 level. So what’s the benefit there.

Someone else said it, but other teams e.g. Cal are rolling with their true freshman and dealing with the growing pains but it’s more positive than negative. JKS has had a couple rough games but I guarantee he will be better for it next year whether it’s at cal or someone else who pays for him.
 
The unnecessary side arm passes are so inexplicable. You’d get benched for that at the high school level. Is he purposely ignoring coaching? Does he think it looks cool? His friends and family should tell him it looks clownish.

We’ve suffered through more than our fair share of bad QB play the last two decades. I’ve never been as disappointed as I am with Salter, though. Even with his much poorer than expected passing, we’d be winning if he would just run with decisiveness and attitude when the opportunities are there.

Juju time! I can live with a few bad picks from a true freshman. Unacceptable from a senior.
 
Tatanka™ said:
The unnecessary side arm passes are so inexplicable. You’d get benched for that at the high school level. Is he purposely ignoring coaching? Does he think it looks cool? His friends and family should tell him it looks clownish.

We’ve suffered through more than our fair share of bad QB play the last two decades. I’ve never been as disappointed as I am with Salter, though. Even with his much poorer than expected passing, we’d be winning if he would just run with decisiveness and attitude when the opportunities are there.

Juju time! I can live with a few bad picks from a true freshman. Unacceptable from a senior.
Click to expand...
His throwing motion hurts my soul. I know he's listed a 6 feet, but he's not that tall. Throwing sidearm only makes him shorter, and kills accuracy.

Makes me think he doesn't take his craft seriously, no coach would ever purposely instruct a short QB to throw like he does. Or any QB for that matter.
 
Buffs35 said:
His throwing motion hurts my soul. I know he's listed a 6 feet, but he's not that tall. Throwing sidearm only makes him shorter, and kills accuracy.

Makes me think he doesn't take his craft seriously, no coach would ever purposely instruct a short QB to throw like he does. Or any QB for that matter.
Click to expand...
No way this kid has ever considered being QB “his craft.”

I completely feel the “hurts my soul” reaction watching him try to throw the ball. I can only imagine what it feels like to our WRs and our OL.

I think we need to roll Juju or we may lose a huge portion of this team.
 
  • Like
Reactions: GRM
Buffs35 said:
His throwing motion hurts my soul. I know he's listed a 6 feet, but he's not that tall. Throwing sidearm only makes him shorter, and kills accuracy.

Makes me think he doesn't take his craft seriously, no coach would ever purposely instruct a short QB to throw like he does. Or any QB for that matter.
Click to expand...
Beyond the accuracy problems, it makes it so he doesn't have the ability to throw short or intermediate passes to the middle of the field unless the OL has created throwing lanes (not just given him a clean pocket) and that he has a lot of trouble placing passes over the first level of the zone to find receivers that have set up in the coverage holes in between the LBs and safeties. There's a reason nobody coaches QBs to pass the ball sidearm.
 
I feel like if we can see how flawed Salter is from our coaches the players probably can to, and I’d worry that if they stick with him players might check out.

Juju seemed really sped up in his snaps but it might be worth letting him go through the growing pains this season since you’ve already blown 3 games you could have won.

The person who scouted and recommended Salter to Coach Prime should probably find work elsewhere though. The drastic difference between him and the TCU QB crystallized that for me. His highlight video was cool but he clearly hasn’t mastered the fundamentals and lacks the arm talent and vision to be successful against good P4 competition. Major whiff by that person doing the scouting that you can’t make with recruiting the way it is.

Kinda frustrating that it looks like they have a roster built to win except at QB. When we just had Shedeur and the roster around him wasn’t good enough.
 
Its either JuJu this week or wait until Nov 8th. No way you give him his first start on the road at Utah. Sure, you could start him against Arizona at home on the 1st but why waste his redshirt for one additional game? The staff absolutely bunglefu*ked the QB situation this year. I find it incomprehensible that they didn't see this coming watching Salter in fall ball and try to game plan around his glaringly obvious shortcomings. My gut tells me JuJu doesn't stick around next year if he's not starting next game.
 
Last edited:
Buffnik said:
Change after the bye after giving JuJu some series in the games leading up to it with packages designed for him?
Click to expand...
No packages. That's silly to me. I would start Staub against ISU and Utah-I don't know if I want our prized QB recruit playing against a team like Utah in SLC.

That November though.....especially if we're 2-7? There's no reason not to play him. Arizona at home is a great place for a first start, and WVU/KSU are going to be good road environments for him because those two will have packed it in by then too.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top