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When is CU going to pay Boyle what he is worth?

rialto

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I saw where the great Larry Krystkowiak at Utah is paid about $1 million per year for producing a 6-25 team.

Boyle was recently extended to 2016, and as best I can tell, received a booming 3% merit increase in February bringing his base salary to $165,830. His "compensation package" remained unchanged at $429,000. Plus his performance incentives are 1) $200,000 now (compared to $100,000 before), which he seems likely to earn 2) $30,000 for winning 21 games (which just happened!), 3) $30,000 for being coach of the year 4) $750,000 for winning an NCAA title.

So the best I can tell Boyle will make up to $824,830 this season ($165,830+$429,000+ $30,000 + $200,000). How does CU expect to keep him for long, when he is arguably the best but lowest paid coach in the PAC 12?.

Sean Miller - $2.3 million
Ben Howland - $2.0 million
Dana Altman - $1.8 million
Mike Montgomery - $1.6 million
Herb Sendek - $1.3 million
Lorenzo Romar - $1.3 million
Larry Krystkowiak -$1.0 million
Johnny Dawkins - $1.0 million, likely more
Craig Rbinson - $950,000, not including huge NCAA Tourney bonuses
Ken Bone - $850,000
Tad Boyle - $824,830
 
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actually, Boyle is hugely underpaid. Can CU possibly sack-up and pay a great coach what he is worth? Or is it better to play the liberal, money envying PC game so the members of the sports-hating faculty and Brittany Anus from the Boulder Daily Pravda do not criticize CU? Why risk losing Boyle? He has recruited great kids, built huge positive visibility for the university, drawn great home crowds and is winning at a rate no CU coach in history has.
 
rialto said:
actually, Boyle is hugely underpaid. Can CU possibly sack-up and pay a great coach what he is worth? Or is it better to play the liberal, money envying PC game so the members of the sports-hating faculty and Brittany Anus from the Boulder Daily Pravda do not criticize CU? Why risk losing Boyle? He has recruited great kids, built huge positive visibility for the university, drawn great home crowds and is winning at a rate no CU coach in history has.
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If he continues this success he will get the money, they re did his contract and it is filled with incentives.
 
rialto said:
actually, Boyle is hugely underpaid. Can CU possibly sack-up and pay a great coach what he is worth? Or is it better to play the liberal, money envying PC game so the members of the sports-hating faculty and Brittany Anus from the Boulder Daily Pravda do not criticize CU? Why risk losing Boyle? He has recruited great kids, built huge positive visibility for the university, drawn great home crowds and is winning at a rate no CU coach in history has.
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Relax, Debbie Downer. Tad left a high six-figure salary as an investment manager to take an assistant coaching position at a small college that paid $25,000 because he missed the game. So he has amply demonstrated that he doesn't care all that much about the money.

As he builds CU into a national program, the money will come ... maybe not to the extent of the overpaid coaches in the Pac 12, but as I said ... it's not about the money to him. CU is his "dream job," as he has reiterated several times.
 
I included the incentives in Boyle's NEW contract. His new contract leaves him as the lowest paid coach in the PAC 12. That is not fair nor a path which will sustain success, unless Boyle is incredibly unique
 
UtterBuffLuv said:
If he continues this success he will get the money, they re did his contract and it is filled with incentives.
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I dunno. I feel like we have this attitude, but could be setting ourselves up for disappointment. It was cool to send the kids to la, but I don't know how serious CU is about investing in success by paying Boyle the big bucks, and competing with potentially huge offers elsewhere
 
My understanding - and I may be misremembering a conversation - is that Boyle's current contract is essentially a stop-gap, and he will be getting paid pretty bug bucks within the next few years.
 
rialto said:
I included the incentives in Boyle's NEW contract. His new contract leaves him as the lowest paid coach in the PAC 12. That is not fair nor a path which will sustain success, unless Boyle is incredibly unique
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You're jumping the gun a little bit here. He came from UNC. He got a small contract, did really well, and then got restructured after the season.

He's obviously building something great here, so he should get rewarded for that, but you don't do that during the season. Why don't you wait to complain until they've actually had a chance to do something about it?
 
rialto said:
I included the incentives in Boyle's NEW contract. His new contract leaves him as the lowest paid coach in the PAC 12. That is not fair nor a path which will sustain success, unless Boyle is incredibly unique
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Great timing, Rialto.

The subject has merit. But I question your motives for posting so close to the tip off of the CCG.

Do you really think this topic at this moment in time is something other than a buzzkill?

Do you talk about cancer at wedding receptions?
 
J Buff - "Debby Downer" is a horse **** comment meant to undermine my very valid concern.

You're ignorant IMO. You are ASSUMING Boyle does not mind being underpaid now and that CU will pay him in the future. Both may be incorrect.

Why not simply pay Boyle what is worth now, like any professional?
 
This is turning into a surprisingly pleasant thread.

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rialto said:
J Buff - "Debby Downer" is a horse **** comment meant to undermine my very valid concern.

You're ignorant IMO. You are ASSUMING Boyle does not mind being underpaid now and that CU will pay him in the future. Both may be incorrect.

Why not simply pay Boyle what is worth now, like any professional?
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If you're going to post such unnecessarily alarmist bull**** just before the CCG, you'd better grow a pair.
 
Boyle's had the job, what, 18 months now? And he's already received one raise/extension. Let's give the ad a chance before going overboard on this. No one expected the program to rise this fast. If we're having this same conversation in a year or two, then I'll worry.
 
Bohn and the CU Admin say they love Boyle (how could they not), saw him produce great results last year and now this year, with a Top 25 recruiting class already signed and still won't pay him AFTER an extension in February. I think CU thinks they can get away with out paying Boyle what the market will pay him for his success. They will do the same thing with Embree if he has any success.
 
rialto said:
Bohn and the CU Admin say they love Boyle (how could they not), saw him produce great results last year and now this year, with a Top 25 recruiting class already signed and still won't pay him AFTER an extension in February. I think CU thinks they can get away with out paying Boyle what the market will pay him for his success. They will do the same thing with Embree if he has any success.
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Relax. This is Boyle's second season at CU. They improved his contract after his first year. One of the biggest things Bohn is criticized for, and rightly so, was handing Hawkins a contract extension in year 2 of his deal. Yes, Boyle deserves more. But there is absolutely no reason to think that Bohn and Boyle should be negotiating an extension or renegotiation during the season, much less the post-season. How about we get to the off-season before we start bitching about things that would never happen until then.

EDIT: D'oh! Just realized the extension was last month, not during the offseason.... :rolling_eyes: Still, we are talking about a coach who has been here two years. Yes, he is doing a great job, but it is still way too early to be panicking about not putting him at the top of the conference pay schedule.
 
rialto - you're absolutely right if you're on the outside just looking at the numbers and what Boyle's relative worth is to our program.

However, Boyle did not even ask for the recent raise or extension. Word at the burrito stand is that he actually had Bohn give him less money than Bohn wanted to pay him in order to leave more money for the program budget (i.e., taking 50 students to the tourney).

Money's not the motivator here for Boyle. The motivator is whether his program is given the resources and support to build a champion. He's much more interested in having great facilities for recruiting and training, building fan and community support, having the assistant coach salaries he needs to attract and retain top guys, top notch academic support, a large recruiting budget, and the ability to spend what's necessary to get the schedule he wants.

If he gets all that and builds a consistent 20+ win team that's in the NCAAs all the time, the job security is going to be there and he knows without a doubt that he'll have complete job security in a place he loves while earning enough to provide his family with generational wealth. An extra hundred grand next year pales. There's work to do.
 
Buffnik said:
rialto - you're absolutely right if you're on the outside just looking at the numbers and what Boyle's relative worth is to our program.

However, Boyle did not even ask for the recent raise or extension. Word at the burrito stand is that he actually had Bohn give him less money than Bohn wanted to pay him in order to leave more money for the program budget (i.e., taking 50 students to the tourney).

Money's not the motivator here for Boyle. The motivator is whether his program is given the resources and support to build a champion. He's much more interested in having great facilities for recruiting and training, building fan and community support, having the assistant coach salaries he needs to attract and retain top guys, top notch academic support, a large recruiting budget, and the ability to spend what's necessary to get the schedule he wants.

If he gets all that and builds a consistent 20+ win team that's in the NCAAs all the time, the job security is going to be there and he knows without a doubt that he'll have complete job security in a place he loves while earning enough to provide his family with generational wealth. An extra hundred grand next year pales. There's work to do.
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^^^^
THIS


Maybe your best post EVAR. :thumbsup:
 
L Buff said:
^^^^
THIS


Maybe your best post EVAR. :thumbsup:
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Don't sell Nik short, man. It's a good post, but resides somewhere in the 17th percentile of Nik's overall body of work. I celebrate the guy's entire catalog.
 
Buffnik said:
rialto - you're absolutely right if you're on the outside just looking at the numbers and what Boyle's relative worth is to our program.

However, Boyle did not even ask for the recent raise or extension. Word at the burrito stand is that he actually had Bohn give him less money than Bohn wanted to pay him in order to leave more money for the program budget (i.e., taking 50 students to the tourney).

Money's not the motivator here for Boyle. The motivator is whether his program is given the resources and support to build a champion. He's much more interested in having great facilities for recruiting and training, building fan and community support, having the assistant coach salaries he needs to attract and retain top guys, top notch academic support, a large recruiting budget, and the ability to spend what's necessary to get the schedule he wants.

If he gets all that and builds a consistent 20+ win team that's in the NCAAs all the time, the job security is going to be there and he knows without a doubt that he'll have complete job security in a place he loves while earning enough to provide his family with generational wealth. An extra hundred grand next year pales. There's work to do.
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Nik's Mattslap/post ratio is off the charts today. When you consider that he mattslaps you in a nice way, it's really all the more incredible.
 
wsp4820 said:
Nik's Mattslap/post ratio is off the charts today. When you consider that he mattslaps you in a nice way, it's really all the more incredible.
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It's more like a teabag, really. Nik's nutsack just gently resting on Rialto's shoulder.
 
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