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Which are college hoops' bad jobs? (ESPN)

cubuffs85

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If this had been written 5 years ago, I'm sure CU would've been on it.

[h=3]Oregon State[/h]
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Anything you can do, Nike U and Phil Knight can do better. Oregon is just 50 minutes from campus. It's a sedan versus luxury car every year for the coach who leads Oregon State, a team that hasn't been invited to the Big Dance since 1990.
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I'm a bit surprised Oregon St was *only* honorable mention.
 
Nebraska, although Tim Miles is tearing it up there lately. They do have the luxury of having a bunch of money to play with for facilities.
Washington State should be on that list.
 
sackman said:
Nebraska, although Tim Miles is tearing it up there lately. They do have the luxury of having a bunch of money to play with for facilities.
Washington State should be on that list.
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Agreed with Wazzu, it's worse than Oregon State most likely but they didn't just go through the circus that they did.

Given what Tim Miles has done, the new facility, I can agree with Nebraska's exclusion.
 
Northwestern and Penn State are close to "no hopers" in the B1G. Rutgers is probably deserving of the "tough job" label, but they're also a sleeping giant that can recruit NYC, Philly and the NJ preps.

In the ACC, VA Tech and GA Tech are very tough jobs.

In the SEC, it would take one hell of a coach to win big at Auburn or South Carolina.

In the Big 12, Texas Tech and TCU are major coaching challenges.

In the Pac-12, Oregon State and Washington State are tough jobs (especially OSU).

In the Big East, DePaul and Seton Hall have become tough jobs (although both have shown in their history that they can reach a Final Four).
 
Buffnik said:
Northwestern and Penn State are close to "no hopers" in the B1G. Rutgers is probably deserving of the "tough job" label, but they're also a sleeping giant that can recruit NYC, Philly and the NJ preps.

In the ACC, VA Tech and GA Tech are very tough jobs.

In the SEC, it would take one hell of a coach to win big at Auburn or South Carolina.

In the Big 12, Texas Tech and TCU are major coaching challenges.

In the Pac-12, Oregon State and Washington State are tough jobs (especially OSU).

In the Big East, DePaul and Seton Hall have become tough jobs (although both have shown in their history that they can reach a Final Four).
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If Bruce Pearl wouldn't have been hired, I think good chance Auburn makes the list.

GT made the CG not too long ago, Cremins was good. I don't think it's that hard of a job, they just opened a new arena as well. Sure, it's not an easy job by ACC standards.
 
cubuffs85 said:
If Bruce Pearl wouldn't have been hired, I think good chance Auburn makes the list.

GT made the CG not too long ago, Cremins was good. I don't think it's that hard of a job, they just opened a new arena as well. Sure, it's not an easy job by ACC standards.
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There's simply not a lot of hoops talent from Georgia, so recruiting has to go beyond that. Cremins was ridiculously well contacted in the NYC public leagues.

Some of the notables:

John Salley (Brooklyn)
Bruce Dalrymple (Manhattan)
Stephon Marbury (Brooklyn)
Kenny Anderson (Queens)
 
Georgia produces some decent talent, it's just that so many leave the state and head to other ACC schools.
 
GIT is a better job than BC, Clemson or VT, for the history if nothing else. Agree that Cremins success was reportedly correlated to NY connections (e.g. once he exhausted those connections the Yellowjackets win rate also fell).

I hope and pray Buzz can do something at VT and create a basketball history, but realistically we all know it's a stepping stone job at best for him.
 
hokiehead said:
GIT is a better job than BC, Clemson or VT, for the history if nothing else. Agree that Cremins success was reportedly correlated to NY connections (e.g. once he exhausted those connections the Yellowjackets win rate also fell).

I hope and pray Buzz can do something at VT and create a basketball history, but realistically we all know it's a stepping stone job at best for him.
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Boston College is a good basketball job. Lots of talent from the Boston HS ranks and New England prep schools.

Clemson is willing to admit a ham sandwich and pull every possible recruiting violation to get talent, so some coaches would like it as a place to make a quick splash before outrunning the NCAA to the next job.
 
Actually, Atlanta was one of the best metro areas for HS talent in the country as recently as three or four years ago. They're in a bit of a down cycle right now, but they'll be back. Dwight Howard, Louis Williams, Josh Smith really put Atlanta on the map as being more than just a football town.
 
Buffnik said:
There's simply not a lot of hoops talent from Georgia, so recruiting has to go beyond that. Cremins was ridiculously well contacted in the NYC public leagues.

Some of the notables:

John Salley (Brooklyn)
Bruce Dalrymple (Manhattan)
Stephon Marbury (Brooklyn)
Kenny Anderson (Queens)
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G-Tech has produced 5 1st rounders including two top 5 picks (Bosh & Favors) since Cremins left. Going off the last 30 yrs, there's few schools who can exceed G-Tech's NBA lineage. Combine that with a brand new arena & I don't think too many coaches would classify it as "very tough." They're no power house, but there's worse jobs in the ACC and you're overrating the necessity for in-state talent in basketball.
 
Clemson has a freshly renovated Littlejohn and some occasionally solid teams over the years. It's ahead of VT in terms of perception. Character issues or slipping through the cracks notwithstanding, you're heading to Tobacco Road or UVA if you're a big time Tidewater kid wanting to stay local for hoops. VT has reverted to being a complete and utter basketball backwater. I expect that to change a bit in coming years, but the damage done since Greenberg's firing can't be understated. Fans have to travel far to get to Blacksburg and simply won't drive 2, 3, 4 hours for a ****ty product and 27 point blowout on Wednesday night.
 
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I would think a place like Ol Miss would be tough. Basketball is not a big deal in SEC country, but from time to time you'll see some good teams there. Kentucky, obviously. Florida, LSU and Arkansas have all had success in basketball. But Ol Miss... oof. I can't remember anybody ever winning there. Maybe I'm wrong. I'm sure somebody will point out a time when they were really good. Maybe even recently. I just don't recall.
 
sackman said:
I would think a place like Ol Miss would be tough. Basketball is not a big deal in SEC country, but from time to time you'll see some good teams there. Kentucky, obviously. Florida, LSU and Arkansas have all had success in basketball. But Ol Miss... oof. I can't remember anybody ever winning there. Maybe I'm wrong. I'm sure somebody will point out a time when they were really good. Maybe even recently. I just don't recall.
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The thing with Ole Miss and Miss State, imo, is that if Southern Miss can be a regular member of the tourney field then it can't be that hard to find talent in Mississippi.

But on the other hand, I do question whether there is enough basketball interest and culture to sustain programs on the Gulf Coast. Texas A&M, LSU, Ole Miss, Miss State, Alabama, Auburn, Florida State, USF, Houston and others... some peak years to be proud of but little sustained success.
 
sackman said:
I would think a place like Ol Miss would be tough. Basketball is not a big deal in SEC country, but from time to time you'll see some good teams there. Kentucky, obviously. Florida, LSU and Arkansas have all had success in basketball. But Ol Miss... oof. I can't remember anybody ever winning there. Maybe I'm wrong. I'm sure somebody will point out a time when they were really good. Maybe even recently. I just don't recall.
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they've lacked consistent success but made the Round of 32 and won the SEC tournament in 2013. South Carolina lacks recent success more than just about anyone. Pretty much everyone else has been hot at some point over the last dozen years or so. South Carolina has been awful. It's been quite a while for Auburn now too…they were hot in the early 00's but have been in oblivion after '03.
 
YngC said:
Actually, Atlanta was one of the best metro areas for HS talent in the country as recently as three or four years ago. They're in a bit of a down cycle right now, but they'll be back. Dwight Howard, Louis Williams, Josh Smith really put Atlanta on the map as being more than just a football town.
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Yeah, I really agree. Even this year, they have some solid prospects - Jaylen Brown. I'm not saying that GA, specifically ATL, is like North Carolina, Chicago, LA, NYC, etc for bball talent, but it's a solid spot.

With respect to talk of GaTech being a terrible job...I disagree. Their fans are pretty decent, and they have had a solid history. I would not put them on a list of bad jobs.

Lastly, Northwestern is a bad job, but watch out for them. I'm biased with Chris Collins, not that I was ever a huge fan of him, but sure, obviously I like Duke guys. I think he'll take them to their first ever tournament soon enough. I don't think it'll be a terrible job in a few years.
 
Almost everything he wrote about Marquette is wrong (and he's edited some of the mistakes) as can be seen in the comments. Tons of Milwaukee kids go to Marquette and even some from Madison (Wesley Matthews). It's also not a school with high academic standards. Buzz Williams leaving for Va. Tech was more a personality clash ala Frank Martin leaving K State for South Carolina.

They've been to the NCAA Tournament eight consecutive years and there list of coaches is full of big names.
 
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