Why did SHT leave early?

[NBDefektor]

Just curious to see what you guys think...poll on the way.

 

[azbuff]

I have a very hard time believing the decision was 100% his own. Who knows what college kids are thinking, though. I'm 35 and can't figure life out, but I know if I had the opportunity to come back on a relatively loaded college basketball team at CU for a final year, I'm gonna do it. Even if the Aussie pro leagues beckon.

The flip-side of this - if SHT was politely encouraged to move on - why nudge SHT out of the program instead of Mills? Definitely paints a picture of 100% SHT's decision.

 

[Creebuzz]

He's earned his degree and spent 4 years in Colorado. My guess is that he wants to go home to Australia and start a new chapter in his life. He's clearly hankering for some prawns and baramundi on the barbie.

 

[MtnBuff]

With Scott coming back stronger, Gordon and the incoming freshman next year his time is likely to shrink.

At the same time basketball has never been everything to Shane. He is by reports a good student who will be finishing his degree this year. Staying next year would involve doing grad school work which likely would not transfer to Australia and to finish here he would have to stay another year on his own paying full price.

If he goes back to Australia he can likely play pro ball there and get moving on the next stage in his life. It also isn't unreasonable to think that four years away from his family and friends and home is enough and he is just ready to go back.

Tad may have had a talk with him and even maybe encouraged him to leave but I don't think he was in any way pushed.

 

[Buffnik]

He's in his 4th year already. Everyone from his recruiting class is already gone (Chen transferred in later). I think he felt like it was time to move on with his life.

 

[absinthe]

There is a huge chance we dont even need Simba's scholarship, so all this talk of him being nudged now is 100% premature internet fabrication.

Look at this picture:

Dre's Gone
Chen's Gone
Mayor's 50/50

4 other players have had rumors about them not being back at some point this year. Why until the rest of it was settled would you "nudge" a player?

 

[mattrob]

I think it was Shane's call. As abs noted, there's a strong chance we would've had room next year anyway. I'm in the camp that believes Tad signed 3 in November because he knew he'd have the room, not that he oversigned and now needs to clear room.

 

[Idot Buff]

Taking a page from Burrito.....I thought this thread was a lesson from Bio 101.....SH*T leaves early to make room for an abundance of food entering the system.....or toxins (ie, excessive amounts of alcohol) flushing out your stomach, intestines, and bowels.

 

[buffaholic]

He's earned his degree and spent 4 years in Colorado. My guess is that he wants to go home to Australia and start a new chapter in his life. He's clearly hankering for some prawns and baramundi on the barbie.

It was this and that decisiom was made last hear. Tad disclosed this when he addressed a group on Thurs

 

[NBDefektor]

It was this and that decisiom was made last hear. Tad disclosed this when he addressed a group on Thurs

Source? If that's the case, then this whole discussion is pretty settled then. While I'd hope that's the case, I also find that a little odd a guy would want to cut out on this opportunity to play basketball for another year...

 

[absinthe]

Source? If that's the case, then this whole discussion is pretty settled then. While I'd hope that's the case, I also find that a little odd a guy would want to cut out on this opportunity to play basketball for another year...

You are aware they play basketball in other countries right? They even pay you to do it.

 

[btbuff]

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[buffaholic]

Source? If that's the case, then this whole discussion is pretty settled then. While I'd hope that's the case, I also find that a little odd a guy would want to cut out on this opportunity to play basketball for another year...

I already gave you the source in my post above.

 

[azbuff]

Maybe. Bet Boyle wasn't begging for him to come back though either.

 

[NBDefektor]

I already gave you the source in my post above.

Oh, I see what you meant. But just having Tad say "He made this decision a year ago, trust me," doesn't exactly resolve the issue.

 

[Buffnik]

Oh, I see what you meant. But just having Tad say "He made this decision a year ago, trust me," doesn't exactly resolve the issue.

When Tad signed 6, we said he must know something we don't. When he signed 3, we said the same thing. There is nothing to indicate that Tad is over-signing and pushing kids out. Maybe it is something that some of us would do and most of us would even understand, but it's kind of unfair to suggest that it's going with no evidence and in the face of being told otherwise by folks close to the program including a senior from last year. Eckloff barely played, had the smarts to get a degree early, and comes from a family that wouldn't have been financially ruined by having to pay for a semester of college. He wasn't pushed out. Why would Shane be - a guy who was ahead of Eckloff on the depth chart and has been a part-time starter? On the same note, we should stop with the speculation that Eli Stalzer might have something happen to his scholarship. There's nothing to support that idea either besides some people getting the idea for it. The more it gets talked about, the more fans are going to believe in it as a possibility even though it's based on nothing but air.

P.S. When you say "resolve this issue", I have no idea what "issue" you're talking about. Internet speculation akin to a bunch of old ladies gossiping in a knitting circle does not rise to the level of "issue" imho.

 

[shang]

At the same time basketball has never been everything to Shane. He is by reports a good student who will be finishing his degree this year. Staying next year would involve doing grad school work which likely would not transfer to Australia and to finish here he would have to stay another year on his own paying full price.

I spoke w/ Shane and his mom and uncle after the game... and I asked this very question... Shane is a smart student and the past month had been investigating the possibility of staying and going for a grad degree in the busniness dept( i would imagine an MBA). The problem was not from the coaches... seemed that they encouraged him to figure out the grad school option... but the Business dept told Shane that they would not be as understanding nor tolerate missed classroom time like the undergrad dept. Most MBA programs demand alot of cooperative classroom time... team building and team oriented solutions...So as for the coaching staff softly persuading him, i don't think so... not when they need him the most now going into the tourney...

 

[NBDefektor]

When Tad signed 6, we said he must know something we don't. When he signed 3, we said the same thing. There is nothing to indicate that Tad is over-signing and pushing kids out. Maybe it is something that some of us would do and most of us would even understand, but it's kind of unfair to suggest that it's going with no evidence and in the face of being told otherwise by folks close to the program including a senior from last year. Eckloff barely played, had the smarts to get a degree early, and comes from a family that wouldn't have been financially ruined by having to pay for a semester of college. He wasn't pushed out. Why would Shane be - a guy who was ahead of Eckloff on the depth chart and has been a part-time starter? On the same note, we should stop with the speculation that Eli Stalzer might have something happen to his scholarship. There's nothing to support that idea either besides some people getting the idea for it. The more it gets talked about, the more fans are going to believe in it as a possibility even though it's based on nothing but air.

P.S. When you say "resolve this issue", I have no idea what "issue" you're talking about. Internet speculation akin to a bunch of old ladies gossiping in a knitting circle does not rise to the level of "issue" imho.

Are you kidding? A player on our team decides to leave early and it's announced the day before our last home game. And you're telling me it won't get talked about on an internet message board? I am not saying I know the answers at all...in fact, the dude quoted below seems to have some insight that points to good reasons.

There's just so little debate on these boards as to how our beloved basketball coach can do anything wrong. The guy's been great for us, no doubt, but we can't go around treating him like a god around here. This whole SHT thing, despite its odd nature, never raised any eyebrows around here--at least to me. A healthy dialog about what we think our coach is really doing is something you should expect on a message board with so many passionate fans. And yet, here, we just have about 95-98% of the posts never questioning anything Tad does.

I spoke w/ Shane and his mom and uncle after the game... and I asked this very question... Shane is a smart student and the past month had been investigating the possibility of staying and going for a grad degree in the busniness dept( i would imagine an MBA). The problem was not from the coaches... seemed that they encouraged him to figure out the grad school option... but the Business dept told Shane that they would not be as understanding nor tolerate missed classroom time like the undergrad dept. Most MBA programs demand alot of cooperative classroom time... team building and team oriented solutions...So as for the coaching staff softly persuading him, i don't think so... not when they need him the most now going into the tourney...

Thanks for the insight! Not a story you often hear when it comes to players unexpectedly leaving, but I definitely wish him the best. He was a very memorable Buff in my opinion.

 

[Buffenuf]

Are you kidding? A player on our team decides to leave early and it's announced the day before our last home game. And you're telling me it won't get talked about on an internet message board? I am not saying I know the answers at all...in fact, the dude quoted below seems to have some insight that points to good reasons.

There's just so little debate on these boards as to how our beloved basketball coach can do anything wrong. The guy's been great for us, no doubt, but we can't go around treating him like a god around here. This whole SHT thing, despite its odd nature, never raised any eyebrows around here--at least to me. A healthy dialog about what we think our coach is really doing is something you should expect on a message board with so many passionate fans. And yet, here, we just have about 95-98% of the posts never questioning anything Tad does.

So.......you admit you're just trolling, eh? As nik put it well, there's no "issue" there! Kid makes a decision as to his future, after a whole year of speculation (which you alone apparently missed) and now you want a debate about the coach?

Trolling, trolling........"What's the frequency, kenneth?"

 

[Buffenuf]

Are you kidding? A player on our team decides to leave early and it's announced the day before our last home game. And you're telling me it won't get talked about on an internet message board? I am not saying I know the answers at all...in fact, the dude quoted below seems to have some insight that points to good reasons.

There's just so little debate on these boards as to how our beloved basketball coach can do anything wrong. The guy's been great for us, no doubt, but we can't go around treating him like a god around here. This whole SHT thing, despite its odd nature, never raised any eyebrows around here--at least to me. A healthy dialog about what we think our coach is really doing is something you should expect on a message board with so many passionate fans. And yet, here, we just have about 95-98% of the posts never questioning anything Tad does.

So.......you admit you're just trolling, eh? As nik put it well, there's no "issue" there! Kid makes a decision as to his future, after a whole year of speculation (which you alone apparently missed) and now you want a debate about the coach?

Trolling, trolling........"What's the frequency, kenneth?"
I need to adjust my tinfoil hat!

 

[Buffnik]

NBDefektor - It's not that it's being talked about. It is that we have. A lot. We've been talking for over a year about how many scholarship openings we'd have for this 2013 class and how Tad was going to get there. The same conversation about 2014 has also started. At a certain point, though, some of the questions on this stuff become "asked and answered". Continuing to push starts coming across as someone being a contrarian who's just stirring the pot and it makes me wonder about whether there's an underlying anti-Boyle motivation to it. That, or the simple hard-headedness of someone who formed an opinion based on assumptions and deduction - then needs a much higher standard of evidence to change that opinion than was needed to form the original opinion.

 

[mattrob]

Are you kidding? A player on our team decides to leave early and it's announced the day before our last home game. And you're telling me it won't get talked about on an internet message board? I am not saying I know the answers at all...in fact, the dude quoted below seems to have some insight that points to good reasons.

There's just so little debate on these boards as to how our beloved basketball coach can do anything wrong. The guy's been great for us, no doubt, but we can't go around treating him like a god around here. This whole SHT thing, despite its odd nature, never raised any eyebrows around here--at least to me. A healthy dialog about what we think our coach is really doing is something you should expect on a message board with so many passionate fans. And yet, here, we just have about 95-98% of the posts never questioning anything Tad does.



Thanks for the insight! Not a story you often hear when it comes to players unexpectedly leaving, but I definitely wish him the best. He was a very memorable Buff in my opinion.

Just because the official announcement came yesterday doesn't mean that's when the decision was made. The information has been out there for a couple of months.

Question Tad all you want, but when you've got information from multiple sources telling you what happened, its probably time to drop the argument. Even though it doesn't fit with your conspiracy theory, that doesn't mean it's not true.

 

[Goose]

Just because the official announcement came yesterday doesn't mean that's when the decision was made. The information has been out there for a couple of months.

I talked to someone on Saturday who said that the entire team has known since beginning of the season that SHT was leaving this year.

 

[mattrob]

I talked to someone on Saturday who said that the entire team has known since beginning of the season that SHT was leaving this year.

I think it was in Barzil 6 weeks ago or so, and Rivals before that. This wasn't anything new on Saturday.

 

[Gold]

He graduated already, time to make some real world money. Doesn't make sense for a graduate who will likely see less than the 8m per game he's currently getting stick around for another year.

 

[RumblinBuff]

I'd like to veto the tone of this thread.

 

[azbuff]

He graduated already, time to make some real world money. Doesn't make sense for a graduate who will likely see less than the 8m per game he's currently getting stick around for another year.

Couldn't disagree more. It makes a lot more sense for him to stay (unless he just hates being away from Australia). Which is why valid questions were raised. Sounds like there are probably valid answers to those questions.

Gotta love Buffenuf calling someone else a troll.

 

[Quattro]

Couldn't disagree more. It makes a lot more sense for him to stay (unless he just hates being away from Australia). Which is why valid questions were raised. Sounds like there are probably valid answers to those questions.

Gotta love Buffenuf calling someone else a troll.

Why? He's graduated, he's the last of his original class, his fellow Aussie's are gone, he's not going to see many minutes next year so it'll be like he's a walk on next season.

 

[azbuff]

Why? He's graduated, he's the last of his original class, his fellow Aussie's are gone, he's not going to see many minutes next year so it'll be like he's a walk on next season.

Give it about six months out of college and you won't have to ask the question. In addition to another year of fricking college in Boulder, SHT wouldn't incur any financial damage for that extra year and would be getting minutes for a beloved Top-25 college team.

I'm leaning towards the idea SHT made this decision on his own and made it awhile ago. Different strokes for different folks, but I bet a survey of 22 year-old males has 90% of them making a different decision than SHT. Australia will always be there, this won't.

Also, how would SHT be like a "walk on" next season?

 

[Quattro]

Give it about six months out of college and you won't have to ask the question. In addition to another year of fricking college in Boulder, SHT wouldn't incur any financial damage for that extra year and would be getting minutes for a beloved Top-25 college team.

I'm leaning towards the idea SHT made this decision on his own and made it awhile ago. Different strokes for different folks, but I bet a survey of 22 year-old males has 90% of them making a different decision than SHT. Australia will always be there, this won't.

Also, how would SHT be like a "walk on" next season?

In the sense that he would be practicing and making the team better but not receiving many minutes.