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Will perception of the program begin to change?

DBT

DBT

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I still hear the media guys crack jokes about what a crappy program CU is. And, truthfully, we are still in the "crappy" category. But us fans who are passionate and have been following the program through these down years are beginning to see the genesis of a turn around.

My question is, when is the perception of CU in the recruiting world going to turn? Are recruits ears going to perk up at a loss like yesterday's? Are skill position players going to begin looking at us like, "Man, these guys are putting up some numbers." I know most of us realized when Mac was hired that a turnaround was going to be a gradual, one step at a time, process. I think we are beginning to see some of those steps come to fruition. Question is, when will recruits begin to notice?
 
Wins. People who follow CU or Pac-12 closely but are not Buffs fans will at least be more informed in their perception of the program, but if our blowout losses instead just become close losses, we'll look like another Cal. Still a bottom feeder in the standings.
 
When the coaching staff actually convinces them to take notice. That's what recruiting is at its core.
 
Duff Man said:
When the coaching staff actually convinces them to take notice. That's what recruiting is at its core.
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Of course. But it helps to have something to sell. Does our gradual improvement and impressive offensive numbers give them more to sell? You can't sell a anything to a consumer who believes your's is a ****ty product.
 
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DBT said:
Of course. But it helps to have something to sell. Does our gradual improvement and impressive offensive numbers give them more to sell? You can't sell a anything to a consumer who believes your's is a ****ty product.
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Sure. But it still comes down to the message the coaches deliver.
 
aik said:
Wins. People who follow CU or Pac-12 closely but are not Buffs fans will at least be more informed in their perception of the program, but if our blowout losses instead just become close losses, we'll look like another Cal. Still a bottom feeder in the standings.
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this. wins and respect will come.
 
If we're talking about your average college football fan, they'll be judging us based on record. Being close isn't going to change much. We know we're improving. Most others don't, to be honest.

Let me ask you this: how do you recall Washington's winless 2008 season? Because they were in numerous close games.
 
I'll add you can use this approach somewhat with recruits, but you've got to punch through and find some wins. Simply being close against OSU, UA, UU and maybe UW isn't good enough. We have to find a way to win one or two.
 
CVilleBuff said:
If we're talking about your average college football fan, they'll be judging us based on record. Being close isn't going to change much. We know we're improving. Most others don't, to be honest.

Let me ask you this: how do you recall Washington's winless 2008 season? Because they were in numerous close games.
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My recollection is that I thought Willingham was a horrible coach.
 
CVilleBuff said:
If we're talking about your average college football fan, they'll be judging us based on record. Being close isn't going to change much. We know we're improving. Most others don't, to be honest.
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This. The local media, even as bad as they are covering and discussing college sports, will realize we're getting better but it will take wins in order for the program to get more attention on the local scene. As far as the national perception is concerned, only wins will change that.
 
CarolinaBuff said:
This. The local media, even as bad as they are covering and discussing college sports, will realize we're getting better but it will take wins in order for the program to get more attention on the local scene. As far as the national perception is concerned, only wins will change that.
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True for national perception, local media, non invested sports fan, etc. But recruits don't look at it the same. A lot more evaluation goes into it for them. They look at the big picture and have a lot more evaluation factors than most.
 
DBT said:
True for national perception, local media, non invested sports fan, etc. But recruits don't look at it the same. A lot more evaluation goes into it for them. They look at the big picture and have a lot more evaluation factors than most.
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This goes to Duff's point. Coaches have to sell recruits on an offense where they can come in and put up monster numbers every week, and an aggressive defense featuring great development especially in the secondary.
 
Why is it an either or proposition? Coaches need to sell a vision, regardless of Ws. The team could be bowling and it still wouldn't guarantee that we'd have a class in the 30s.

Some coaches can get a class in the 30s without winning too. Franklin at Vanderbilt comes to mind.
 
I believe perception already has begun to change postively. But I will put my stamp and comment on it when we get a big win. We are very close if healthy. Team has totally bought in and Sefo is one tough leader and player. Huge strides against Cal.
 
Crack Man just stated, "CU may not win another game this year." ****er.
 
CVilleBuff said:
I'll add you can use this approach somewhat with recruits, but you've got to punch through and find some wins. Simply being close against OSU, UA, UU and maybe UW isn't good enough. We have to find a way to win one or two.
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I agree with this. We have four, maybe five games left on the schedule where we *could* win. I think we need to win 2-3 of those games for people to change their perspective a little. And then we have to follow that up with winning 7-8 games next year. Failure to do that would mean not moving the dial one millimeter in the perception of the program.
 
DBT said:
I still hear the media guys crack jokes about what a crappy program CU is. And, truthfully, we are still in the "crappy" category. But us fans who are passionate and have been following the program through these down years are beginning to see the genesis of a turn around.

My question is, when is the perception of CU in the recruiting world going to turn? Are recruits ears going to perk up at a loss like yesterday's? Are skill position players going to begin looking at us like, "Man, these guys are putting up some numbers." I know most of us realized when Mac was hired that a turnaround was going to be a gradual, one step at a time, process. I think we are beginning to see some of those steps come to fruition. Question is, when will recruits begin to notice?
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It will happen when we start winning. It may happen with a signature win...say we beat USC in the Rose Bowl in a few weeks. Beat them in LA and you will get the attention of a lot of recruits in So Cal. And in general, I don't think recruits ears will perk up at a loss like the one at Cal.
 
At the end of the day, we are 4-25 in this conference since joining. There is not a third column for moral victories.
 
SIAP, but Colin Cowherd said that Michigan would be a bottom team in the PAC12 and went as far as to say CU is better. Not exactly a ringing endorsement, but at least we aren't viewed as worse than everyone anymore.


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Another thing is everyone we play in the Pac looks at CU as a game they'll win and even non P5 opponents certainly view us as a winnable game. It's beyond embarrassing. Only one thing will change that: win.
 
Yeah, no doubt winning is important. I just feel like we are right on the brink of doing that.
 
sackman said:
I agree with this. We have four, maybe five games left on the schedule where we *could* win. I think we need to win 2-3 of those games for people to change their perspective a little. And then we have to follow that up with winning 7-8 games next year. Failure to do that would mean not moving the dial one millimeter in the perception of the program.
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A victory Saturday would change a lot of people's perceptions.........
 
DBT said:
Yeah, no doubt winning is important. I just feel like we are right on the brink of doing that.
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I do too. I guess it depends on how closely recruits look at our program. Some will dismiss an offer out of hand, others will consider it. If they follow closely, they will see a much improved team...one on the brink of turning the corner. Hopefully by LOI day, we will have turned that corner.
 
I don't hear a change in perception with the local sports talking heads (yet). On the ride home today, they still see CU as a "should win" for Oregon State regardless of the showing last week and the injuries they are dealing with. We're not there yet from what I get out here.
 
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