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Will the NFL's new helmet rule be adapted to CFB?

The thing about all of these rules is that it will take a generation to even know if they make a difference.
 
Yes! Finally people are starting to see that other sports, such as soccer, have concussion/brain trauma issues as well; indicating that football is not some loan villainous monster cerebral destruction.

“U.S. Soccer has already implemented changes to protect youth soccer players from head injuries. In 2016, the organization began enforcing a concussion initiative which banned heading in soccer for children age 10 and under and limited the amount of heading in practice for children between the ages of 11 and 13. The success of the rule, of course, is predicated on youth coaches enforcing the rule.”

https://www.usnews.com/news/health-...e-to-brain-damage-from-heading-ball-in-soccer
 
The thing about all of these rules is that it will take a generation to even know if they make a difference.
Yeah. Until the science is in it’s just precautionary...and some cynics may see it as merely PR.
 
Yes! Finally people are starting to see that other sports, such as soccer, have concussion/brain trauma issues as well; indicating that football is not some loan villainous monster cerebral destruction.

“U.S. Soccer has already implemented changes to protect youth soccer players from head injuries. In 2016, the organization began enforcing a concussion initiative which banned heading in soccer for children age 10 and under and limited the amount of heading in practice for children between the ages of 11 and 13. The success of the rule, of course, is predicated on youth coaches enforcing the rule.”

https://www.usnews.com/news/health-...e-to-brain-damage-from-heading-ball-in-soccer

This actually isn't news. Abby Wambach disclosed her issues that she thinks stem from CTE a couple of years ago. She's already said she wants her brain to be studied upon her death.
 
This actually isn't news. Abby Wambach disclosed her issues that she thinks stem from CTE a couple of years ago. She's already said she wants her brain to be studied upon her death.
Yeah, I saw that. But this story popped up in the news after doing more studies. My point is that football is losing kids because parents think “soccer is safer” which sucks.
 
Yeah, I saw that. But this story popped up in the news after doing more studies. My point is that football is losing kids because parents think “soccer is safer” which sucks.

I suppose. My kid skipped football and played soccer. I didn't really think of it in terms of injuries, and he didn't do it out of fear of injuries, but I was okay with it.

My personal feeling is that way too many kids go out for football at least in CO because it's a no-cut sport. My kids' high school had 100 kids go out for football. Even with freshman, JV, and varsity squads, that's way too many kids, imo. It would make more sense to me for some of those kids to go to a sport where they actually can compete for real playing time and an a chance to contribute than stand on the sidelines for 4 years. JMO.
 
I suppose. My kid skipped football and played soccer. I didn't really think of it in terms of injuries, and he didn't do it out of fear of injuries, but I was okay with it.

My personal feeling is that way too many kids go out for football at least in CO because it's a no-cut sport. My kids' high school had 100 kids go out for football. Even with freshman, JV, and varsity squads, that's way too many kids, imo. It would make more sense to me for some of those kids to go to a sport where they actually can compete for real playing time and an a chance to contribute than stand on the sidelines for 4 years. JMO.
I do agree with the last part of your statement, however, I've personally seen multiple kids who looked like "no hopers" early in their HS careers develop into dudes their Junior and Senior years. Granted, it doesn't happen all that often, but it does happen. Some kids just want to be out there with their friends and want to wear a jersey to school on Fridays and be "on the team", though. While that wouldn't my first choice for my hypothetical kids, there is some merit to just wanting to be apart of a team in any capacity.
 
I do agree with the last part of your statement, however, I've personally seen multiple kids who looked like "no hopers" early in their HS careers develop into dudes their Junior and Senior years. Granted, it doesn't happen all that often, but it does happen. Some kids just want to be out there with their friends and want to wear a jersey to school on Fridays and be "on the team", though. While that wouldn't my first choice for my hypothetical kids, there is some merit to just wanting to be apart of a team in any capacity.

Football in America is more than a sport, it is an element of the culture.

Even for those kids who will never see a varsity field short of their team being 40 points up there is a cultural element.

The locker room (which is different from other sports in a way that is hard to describe,) going out on the practice field and sweating together, hitting each other then helping each other up. Standing on that sidelines and feeling the presence of the crowd and the cheerleaders and the band and the rest of it.

I'd encourage my kids to participate in a sport where they can find more success but if my son wants to "be a part" of the football team even though he won't play because he is skinnier than my leg I would be happy just from the standpoint of the experience.

Few will ever play football past HS but realistically few will ever do most sports competitively past HS. I was fortunate enough to be born with the physical talent to play but also had terrible knees that put me on the sideline. My friends on the team who never played all seemed to enjoy their time with the team as much as I did when I was playing.
 
I do agree with the last part of your statement, however, I've personally seen multiple kids who looked like "no hopers" early in their HS careers develop into dudes their Junior and Senior years. Granted, it doesn't happen all that often, but it does happen. Some kids just want to be out there with their friends and want to wear a jersey to school on Fridays and be "on the team", though. While that wouldn't my first choice for my hypothetical kids, there is some merit to just wanting to be apart of a team in any capacity.
Football in America is more than a sport, it is an element of the culture.

Even for those kids who will never see a varsity field short of their team being 40 points up there is a cultural element.

The locker room (which is different from other sports in a way that is hard to describe,) going out on the practice field and sweating together, hitting each other then helping each other up. Standing on that sidelines and feeling the presence of the crowd and the cheerleaders and the band and the rest of it.

I'd encourage my kids to participate in a sport where they can find more success but if my son wants to "be a part" of the football team even though he won't play because he is skinnier than my leg I would be happy just from the standpoint of the experience.

Few will ever play football past HS but realistically few will ever do most sports competitively past HS. I was fortunate enough to be born with the physical talent to play but also had terrible knees that put me on the sideline. My friends on the team who never played all seemed to enjoy their time with the team as much as I did when I was playing.
I played 3 sports in high school - Baseball (most knowledgeable), downhill skiing (best at), Football (most fun/rewarding). Of the 3 sports I played, I was probably the least successful at football, but being on my high school team developed me into a successful adult more than either of the other sports - it taught discipline, mental and physical toughness, teamwork, sacrifice; meaning that I had to do my part, every play, whether I wanted to or not otherwise the play would fail which no other sport really equates to; and percerverance (wanting to quit sometimes, but fighting through it). I agree, just because you don’t start, football teaches life lessons that no other sport can compare to. In the military, I can almost immediately tell who played football and who didn’t - not in a UNC sort of way. Point being, kids not playing football because “it’s the sport that will make you retarded and not worth it” is stupid in my opinion. (Flat out not wanting to play...totally different story).
 
Many sports can and do involve concussions. But what about the amount/rate of concussions?
I have noticed the explosion of youth lacrosse in Colorado. I have long wondered if families were increasingly making a decision for kids to play lacrosse and not football? I don't know the answer. Is youth football in Colorado on a decline?



Yes! Finally people are starting to see that other sports, such as soccer, have concussion/brain trauma issues as well; indicating that football is not some loan villainous monster cerebral destruction.

“U.S. Soccer has already implemented changes to protect youth soccer players from head injuries. In 2016, the organization began enforcing a concussion initiative which banned heading in soccer for children age 10 and under and limited the amount of heading in practice for children between the ages of 11 and 13. The success of the rule, of course, is predicated on youth coaches enforcing the rule.”

https://www.usnews.com/news/health-...e-to-brain-damage-from-heading-ball-in-soccer
 
Do any of you guys worry about CTE?
I worry a little. But my son is also an all star catcher who takes foul balls off the face and had collisions at the plate. He’s excited to play football again (he played in CA a few years ago but we could t find a good team in VA until this year). Plus I am coaching and teaching not only proper tackling, but how to AVOID getting hit in the head. I think the younger you start and are able to learn the game before kids get too big and powerful, the better it turns out. If you wait too long, kids will be trying to learn WHILE getting pummeled by big/strong/fast players that have been playing for years.
 
I worry a little. But my son is also an all star catcher who takes foul balls off the face and had collisions at the plate. He’s excited to play football again (he played in CA a few years ago but we could t find a good team in VA until this year). Plus I am coaching and teaching not only proper tackling, but how to AVOID getting hit in the head. I think the younger you start and are able to learn the game before kids get too big and powerful, the better it turns out. If you wait too long, kids will be trying to learn WHILE getting pummeled by big/strong/fast players that have been playing for years.
Stacking onto that, one of the hardest things to teach kids is to see what they hit in football to avoid breaking their necks. When training that is the right time to train the right way on how to tackle in the rugby style and how to hand fight in the trenches instead of head butting each other.
 
Do any of you guys worry about CTE?

Sure, I also worry about my kids falling off their bikes and my daughters not having enough sense to recognize the creeps and send them the other direction. I worry about my son driving like a maniac when he gets the chance and my younger daughter not paying attention and getting into a wreck.

Life has risk, every sport has risk (golfers are the most likely to get hit by lightning,) but also rewards. As Nik mentions a big key is to make sure that they are coached correctly and that they play the way they are coached.

I know I had concussions playing FB, my head would buzz after practice every day for weeks on end. Now they would have sat me down and not let me come back without being cleared by medical professionals. My biggest consequences though are having bad knees and a bad ankle. Those knocked me out of the game before I got a chance to play long enough to mess up my back like other former linemen I know.

CTE is a concern but I am not going to let it keep my kids from growing and experiencing life like they should.
 
I worry a little. But my son is also an all star catcher who takes foul balls off the face and had collisions at the plate. He’s excited to play football again (he played in CA a few years ago but we could t find a good team in VA until this year). Plus I am coaching and teaching not only proper tackling, but how to AVOID getting hit in the head. I think the younger you start and are able to learn the game before kids get too big and powerful, the better it turns out. If you wait too long, kids will be trying to learn WHILE getting pummeled by big/strong/fast players that have been playing for years.
How they determined what a concussion was back when I was playing is quite different than what it is now. That has got me to think about it some but not much. Seen and heard a lot of crazy stories from ex players the last few years, probably more scary than crazy. Don't remember who it was but he had to quit driving himself to the damn grocery store because he would forget how to get back home and ****. Good you are teaching the kids proper technique at a young age, can't stress enough how important that is. Nik made a good point about "seeing what you hit" as well. It'll never be perfect no matter what. You can get one from your melon bouncing off the ground just as easy, it is what it is I guess.
 
Sure, I also worry about my kids falling off their bikes and my daughters not having enough sense to recognize the creeps and send them the other direction. I worry about my son driving like a maniac when he gets the chance and my younger daughter not paying attention and getting into a wreck.

Life has risk, every sport has risk (golfers are the most likely to get hit by lightning,) but also rewards. As Nik mentions a big key is to make sure that they are coached correctly and that they play the way they are coached.

I know I had concussions playing FB, my head would buzz after practice every day for weeks on end. Now they would have sat me down and not let me come back without being cleared by medical professionals. My biggest consequences though are having bad knees and a bad ankle. Those knocked me out of the game before I got a chance to play long enough to mess up my back like other former linemen I know.

CTE is a concern but I am not going to let it keep my kids from growing and experiencing life like they should.
Never said you should because I already made my stance clear on this awhile back. The only reason I didn't let my son play his freshman year was because of grades only. He fixed that so I left it up to him to play or not.
 
How they determined what a concussion was back when I was playing is quite different than what it is now. That has got me to think about it some but not much. Seen and heard a lot of crazy stories from ex players the last few years, probably more scary than crazy. Don't remember who it was but he had to quit driving himself to the damn grocery store because he would forget how to get back home and ****. Good you are teaching the kids proper technique at a young age, can't stress enough how important that is. Nik made a good point about "seeing what you hit" as well. It'll never be perfect no matter what. You can get one from your melon bouncing off the ground just as easy, it is what it is I guess.
My father often tells the story of Merrill Hoge forgetting how to get home after a game once.
 
It’s not like it’ll be my choice, but I don’t see my son playing football past high school. And I really think college is where things start to go horribly awry.
 
I think part of it comes down to luck, as well.

I had a ****load of concussions as a kid. One major one in HS football, but mostly from just being a kid who did stupid ****. Even with that, I never suffered any issues past the day of, even with the one that happened on the first play of a game that kept me out the whole game. This was back in the days where if you could stand up straight they'd put you back in. I was back in school the next Monday without any headaches, forgetfulness, anything.

My daughter, otoh, has had I believe 3 concussions in her life. 2 in soccer practice and one screwing around with her brother. The last one gave her a headache that lasted 4 months and basically ended her soccer career as a junior in high school. She wasn't cleared to play that season and was told she probably wouldn't be next season.

Were her concussions worse than mine? Different? I don't know. I don't know if anybody knows.
 
I think part of it comes down to luck, as well.

I had a ****load of concussions as a kid. One major one in HS football, but mostly from just being a kid who did stupid ****. Even with that, I never suffered any issues past the day of, even with the one that happened on the first play of a game that kept me out the whole game. This was back in the days where if you could stand up straight they'd put you back in. I was back in school the next Monday without any headaches, forgetfulness, anything.

My daughter, otoh, has had I believe 3 concussions in her life. 2 in soccer practice and one screwing around with her brother. The last one gave her a headache that lasted 4 months and basically ended her soccer career as a junior in high school. She wasn't cleared to play that season and was told she probably wouldn't be next season.

Were her concussions worse than mine? Different? I don't know. I don't know if anybody knows.
100% agree. And the article I referenced above says that evidence shows girls are more affected (this particular article specifically talks about headers in soccer, but can be extrapolated to any form of concussion). But it goes back to my point, with such an emphasis on technique in football these days COUPLED with evidence of concussions in other sports, I think football could regain some traction.
 
Regarding concussion / CTE safety, I think Art Briles was ahead of the curve in one aspect. (Compartmentalizing here, because the dude is a genius football coach.) His teams had very limited hitting at practice. I don't think anyone could say that his teams lacked aggression or were soft, so I'm thinking that you don't actually need to hit each other much in practice to be good at blocking, tackling, shedding blocks and breaking tackles.

The revolutionary mind on this approach was John Gagliardi, a legendary DIII coach at St. John's Minnesota. More programs would be wise to adopt his ideas. http://www.wbur.org/onlyagame/2012/09/08/john-gagliardi-football

He started this approach in the 1950s and you can imagine how much against the grain his ideas were back then. But he won. A lot.

"I'm not sure that hitting teaches it better because when you're hitting, kids aren't necessarily focusing and doing things the right way," [former player, disciple, and Eden Prairie HS head coach Mike] Grant said. "We also are really concerned to not have kids have long-lasting physical problems."

Chief among those concerns are head injuries.
 
Regarding concussion / CTE safety, I think Art Briles was ahead of the curve in one aspect. (Compartmentalizing here, because the dude is a genius football coach.) His teams had very limited hitting at practice. I don't think anyone could say that his teams lacked aggression or were soft, so I'm thinking that you don't actually need to hit each other much in practice to be good at blocking, tackling, shedding blocks and breaking tackles.

The revolutionary mind on this approach was John Gagliardi, a legendary DIII coach at St. John's Minnesota. More programs would be wise to adopt his ideas. http://www.wbur.org/onlyagame/2012/09/08/john-gagliardi-football

He started this approach in the 1950s and you can imagine how much against the grain his ideas were back then. But he won. A lot.

"I'm not sure that hitting teaches it better because when you're hitting, kids aren't necessarily focusing and doing things the right way," [former player, disciple, and Eden Prairie HS head coach Mike] Grant said. "We also are really concerned to not have kids have long-lasting physical problems."

Chief among those concerns are head injuries.
That's how we did things when I was coaching. Most contact was done via bag drills, focusing on technique, with maybe once or twice a week having a period of wrapping up only. Keeps the kids healthier and fresher for Fridays (Saturdays).
 
Regarding concussion / CTE safety, I think Art Briles was ahead of the curve in one aspect. (Compartmentalizing here, because the dude is a genius football coach.) His teams had very limited hitting at practice. I don't think anyone could say that his teams lacked aggression or were soft, so I'm thinking that you don't actually need to hit each other much in practice to be good at blocking, tackling, shedding blocks and breaking tackles.

The revolutionary mind on this approach was John Gagliardi, a legendary DIII coach at St. John's Minnesota. More programs would be wise to adopt his ideas. http://www.wbur.org/onlyagame/2012/09/08/john-gagliardi-football

He started this approach in the 1950s and you can imagine how much against the grain his ideas were back then. But he won. A lot.

"I'm not sure that hitting teaches it better because when you're hitting, kids aren't necessarily focusing and doing things the right way," [former player, disciple, and Eden Prairie HS head coach Mike] Grant said. "We also are really concerned to not have kids have long-lasting physical problems."

Chief among those concerns are head injuries.
It sucks, but I think with the youth football crowd (14 and under), that's a hard way to it. Once they reach maybe high school, and definitely college, it makes a lot of sense. But with the younger kids, if you don't hit enough, you won't find out who's willing to take/or give a hit. You won't know which kids will stay in and block as a back, which kids are willing to catch a ball over the middle, qbs staying in the pocket, or even which ones are willing to step into a RB/WR and bring them to the ground. I truly struggle with this as a youth coach.
 
That's how we did things when I was coaching. Most contact was done via bag drills, focusing on technique, with maybe once or twice a week having a period of wrapping up only. Keeps the kids healthier and fresher for Fridays (Saturdays).
I wish we would've practiced like that :D.
 
It sucks, but I think with the youth football crowd (14 and under), that's a hard way to it. Once they reach maybe high school, and definitely college, it makes a lot of sense. But with the younger kids, if you don't hit enough, you won't find out who's willing to take/or give a hit. You won't know which kids will stay in and block as a back, which kids are willing to catch a ball over the middle, qbs staying in the pocket, or even which ones are willing to step into a RB/WR and bring them to the ground. I truly struggle with this as a youth coach.
Bro, I agree with you but we might want to outlaw it if you can get hurt.;)
 
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