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Wilner is so fun to read

Having to wait ten weeks for a bye sucks, but maybe it will be to the Buffs advantage if they go to Utah needing a 6th win.
 
More Wilner analysis (UW undeserved hype)

The Pac-12 does its members no service with regard to national reputation. Larry should be ashamed.

Three possibly four conference foes coming off a bye week ego before facing UW and nobody else in playoff discussion has more than one.

And all of UWs "cupcakes" won last week.

I just wish we wouldn't shoot ourselves in the foot as a conference when it comes to national perception. I get it UW lost and doesn't deserve a playoff spot. Fine. I love them anyway. However for the future of the conference I hope you stick up for the conference itself

Yes I want CU in the playoffs, and soon!
 
USC did kinda get screwed with its schedule this year. No byes (until the week before the CCG after 12 straight games) and a road game at Cal followed by a Friday night road game at WSU (which they lost, naturally). You're not doing any favors for the the team favored to get this conference into the playoff this year. Move that WSU game to Saturday and get a bye week before Notre Dame, and we're looking at a different story for USC this year.
 
Duff Man said:
https://www.mercurynews.com/2017/12...-mode-its-not-the-bowl-record-its-everything/
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Was just about to post this.

Wilner is right about a lot. The crisis is not just because of the horrible football season / bowl showing... it's everything.

There were issues off the field, too, with the Washington-ESPN hubbub and the scheduling woes (Saturday road games followed by Friday road games) and the out-of-nowhere shot at the Pac-12 Networks by ESPN’s Chris Fowler and the incomprehensible snubbing of Stanford-Washington by FS1 because of a truck race gone long.

Ask yourself: Is any other conference encountering issues like those mentioned above?

Big Ten games aren’t getting bumped by a truck race. ACC coaches aren’t getting ripped by Kirk Herbstreit. Fowler isn’t taking shots at the SEC Network.

That bleak situation got worse in the postseason, courtesy of the worst across-the-board showing by a single conference in the sport’s history.

And let’s not forget: The Pac-12 has missed the playoff two of the past three years and hasn’t won a playoff game since Oregon in 2014.

And he's right about the top-heavy nature of college sports in terms of what moves the needle. Parity is nice when the academics sit around and pat each other on the back, but what matters for attracting eyeballs and dollars is having elite teams -- whether that's teams that win the CFP or teams that win the Final Four. I think the Pac-12 has got to start rewarding success by paying bonuses for national tv appearances, bowl games, playoffs, etc. There can be an equal baseline we all share, but there needs to be a pool of money that is given to the programs that are performing at a high level. In other words, Oregon State should not have made as much conference money off football this season as USC. That's ridiculous and it sends the wrong message.
 
Duff Man said:
https://www.mercurynews.com/2017/12...-mode-its-not-the-bowl-record-its-everything/
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Another good job by Wilner calling out the conference instead of just pandering to them. This summed it up well:

The concern (panic?) the conference and campuses should be feeling about the quality of the football brand isn’t rooted in a single issue or result.
It’s not about 1-8. It’s about 1-8 and everything else:
The entire canvass, on the field and off, regular season and postseason, management and operations, identity and end game.
Pac-12 football needs help in order to not just survive but thrive (long term) in an increasingly treacherous, challenging college football landscape.
The first step to solving the problem is recognizing it exists.
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Buffnik said:
Was just about to post this.

Wilner is right about a lot. The crisis is not just because of the horrible football season / bowl showing... it's everything.

There were issues off the field, too, with the Washington-ESPN hubbub and the scheduling woes (Saturday road games followed by Friday road games) and the out-of-nowhere shot at the Pac-12 Networks by ESPN’s Chris Fowler and the incomprehensible snubbing of Stanford-Washington by FS1 because of a truck race gone long.

Ask yourself: Is any other conference encountering issues like those mentioned above?

Big Ten games aren’t getting bumped by a truck race. ACC coaches aren’t getting ripped by Kirk Herbstreit. Fowler isn’t taking shots at the SEC Network.

That bleak situation got worse in the postseason, courtesy of the worst across-the-board showing by a single conference in the sport’s history.

And let’s not forget: The Pac-12 has missed the playoff two of the past three years and hasn’t won a playoff game since Oregon in 2014.

And he's right about the top-heavy nature of college sports in terms of what moves the needle. Parity is nice when the academics sit around and pat each other on the back, but what matters for attracting eyeballs and dollars is having elite teams -- whether that's teams that win the CFP or teams that win the Final Four. I think the Pac-12 has got to start rewarding success by paying bonuses for national tv appearances, bowl games, playoffs, etc. There can be an equal baseline we all share, but there needs to be a pool of money that is given to the programs that are performing at a high level. In other words, Oregon State should not have made as much conference money off football this season as USC. That's ridiculous and it sends the wrong message.
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Bleak? No. Major room for improvement? Absolutely.

That's up to 12 ADs and Presidents. What will their response be?
 
The leading critic of Larry Scott and the Pac 12 is The Mercury News.

There should be opinion leaders like Wilner providing similar content from major media markets that include Seattle, Portland, Salt Lake, Phoenix, Denver, and up and down the California Coast. I can’t imagine a Denver sports reporter with the credibility, gravity, and reach to take on Pac-12 woes. Seems that the Buffs and the conference drive headlines when there are stories about sexual abuse. Lack of competitiveness in bowl games? Crickets.
 
Clean Undies said:
The leading critic of Larry Scott and the Pac 12 is The Mercury News.

There should be opinion leaders like Wilner providing similar content from major media markets that include Seattle, Portland, Salt Lake, Phoenix, Denver, and up and down the California Coast. I can’t imagine a Denver sports reporter with the credibility, gravity, and reach to take on Pac-12 woes. Seems that the Buffs and the conference drive headlines when there are stories about sexual abuse. Lack of competitiveness in bowl games? Crickets.
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Woelk is the only local on college sports who could have been that voice, but he’s on the payroll.
 
The conference just doesn't seem to get the significance of football and its exposure is to the brand and they continually overplay this "conference of champions" moniker when the reality is that nobody gives a **** about all your championships in swimming & diving, gymnastics, track & field, and tennis.

It's more like "conference of champions in sports no one cares about". Or as lke this Reddit tweet that @TSchekler posted earlier states:

 
Buffnik said:
Woelk is the only local on college sports who could have been that voice, but he’s on the payroll.
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Correct.

No one in the Denver media gives a ****.

It's on to Broncos free agency for them. Then Broncos draft, then OTAs, then whatever the ****. It's amazing how much time those dips spend on one ****ing topic when there's a ****load of other sports related stuff they could be taking on - like this.
 
Duff Man said:
Extremely top heavy. Bama got smoked by the best team they played... luckily they played no one else.
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Which is why they shouldn't be in the playoff over conference champs. It's based on prior years performances, which is bull****.
 
zbuff said:
Which is why they shouldn't be in the playoff over conference champs. It's based on prior years performances, which is bull****.
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When they change the charter to most deserving, then you will get your wish. Now? Charter says next four, among which Bama is.
 
Duff Man said:
Extremely top heavy. Bama got smoked by the best team they played... luckily they played no one else.
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According to S&P+, SEC came in #1 this year again, but it was down from previous years. B1G, ACC, & Big12 were all really close, with the Pac12 bringing up the rear.

  1. SEC (plus-5.0, up 0.2)
  2. ACC (plus-3.7, up 0.0)
  3. Big Ten (plus-3.6, down 0.1)
  4. Big 12 (plus-3.2, down 0.1)
  5. Pac-12 (plus-2.6, down 0.3)
https://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2018/1/2/16841396/ncaa-football-rankings-2017-130-teams
 
J.R. Ewing said:
According to S&P+, SEC came in #1 this year again, but it was down from previous years. B1G, ACC, & Big12 were all really close, with the Pac12 bringing up the rear.

  1. SEC (plus-5.0, up 0.2)
  2. ACC (plus-3.7, up 0.0)
  3. Big Ten (plus-3.6, down 0.1)
  4. Big 12 (plus-3.2, down 0.1)
  5. Pac-12 (plus-2.6, down 0.3)
https://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2018/1/2/16841396/ncaa-football-rankings-2017-130-teams
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That seems to indicate a ridiculously strong Bama team and a great Georgia team are carrying that conference.
 
Clean Undies said:
The leading critic of Larry Scott and the Pac 12 is The Mercury News.

There should be opinion leaders like Wilner providing similar content from major media markets that include Seattle, Portland, Salt Lake, Phoenix, Denver, and up and down the California Coast. I can’t imagine a Denver sports reporter with the credibility, gravity, and reach to take on Pac-12 woes. Seems that the Buffs and the conference drive headlines when there are stories about sexual abuse. Lack of competitiveness in bowl games? Crickets.
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104.3 and the Post can barely break away from the Broncos long enough to talk about the Rockies signing Wade Davis........much less anything CU related. Remember Stink talking to Brady Quinn like he knew anything about college football before Utah in 2016? Here's what is scary bad about the conference this season-the champion of the North division finished with five losses, and the conference had no teams who finished with two losses, much less one. If this type of a season isn't a wake-up call for this league, I'm not sure what will be.
 
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