FrankRizzo
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I think he would've gotten one more game.
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Would Jon Embree have lasted longer in the CFL?
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FrankRizzo
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Hawkins got 5 before the GM apologized and coached the team himself. Wish Phil did the same.
Lt.Col.FrankSlade
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The things embree was really bad at (besides gameday coaching) like: team building, player discipline, work-out discipline for players, teaching, replacing you if you ****ed up, etc are less important in the pros. Those athletes on a whole are more focused and play at a higher average level.
On the Hawkins front everything that made him a better college coach than Jon works against him in the pros.
nolabuff
Club Member
Probably yes simply because of Embree's experience with professionals. Hawk seemed to be a joke in CFL. No one was buying that Hawk bs that he is known for spewing. Who goes 2-3 in their first five games and gets fired? Dan Hawkins figured out a way. I'm not sure Embree wins those two games, but he probably would have lasted longer.
cubuffs85
Active Member
Chuck Fairbanks?
cubuffs85
Active Member
Hawkins was definitely fired for more reasons than wins/losses.
No, I meant why as in why is there a thread on this again? They both sucked gigantic donkey dick. [/thread]
because we've won 7 games in 3 years.
Better suited does not necessarily mean he would be a gigantic success in the pros. I just think his temperament and skill set are better suited to pro-level players than college.
This is like debating if it's colder on the North or South pole.
How many years does Dykes get at Cal. The seat has to be getting very warm.
Clearly the south pole, heat rises.
Dykes will be at Cal a while....
cubuffs85
Active Member
Mac won a game at SJ St his first year, yeah I know that wasn't BCS. He should be OK this season, next year he'll need to show some improvement.
The question to me is more if Barbour stays. If she exits like Lisa Love or Mike Bohn (yes he fired Embree, but that wasn't so much his choice in the first place) after the coaches hire, the next AD isn't going to be so favorable to someone they didn't hire.
this may not be a popular opinion, but had d2 dan gotten a few lucky breaks, the team could have actually turned it around. i'm speaking up to about year 3. years 4 and 5 left us cratered and after things didn't go well enough in the early years, there was no chance.
had some of the risky but big name recruits panned out... had a few lucky bounces of the ball occurred. etc. we still had way more talent than what we have now and that makes up for a lot of problems. keeping hawkins that extra year (or even 2 if you are hardcore like me) put a nail in our coffin.
with respect to embree, i think you could have given him 5 more years and it wouldn't have mattered. the guy was so ill-suited to rebuilding our program on so many levels.
had some of the risky but big name recruits panned out... had a few lucky bounces of the ball occurred. etc. we still had way more talent than what we have now and that makes up for a lot of problems. keeping hawkins that extra year (or even 2 if you are hardcore like me) put a nail in our coffin.
with respect to embree, i think you could have given him 5 more years and it wouldn't have mattered. the guy was so ill-suited to rebuilding our program on so many levels.
cubuffs85
Active Member
If Alex Henery kick misses and they go to a second bowl game, it might have turned out different but even that is a stretch IMO.
Couldn't resist. There's NO debate on poles. Anybody who took 8th grade science knows this:
Why is Antarctica colder than the Arctic?
There are two key reasons why Antarctica is colder than the Arctic. (30 degrees colder on average!)
First, since Antarctica is a giant landmass, it receives very little heat from the ocean. In comparison, the Arctic's icy cover is relatively thin and it has an entire ocean underneath it. While the water is anything but warm, it usually stays around 30° F, which is often significantly warmer than the air above the ice. Some of this heat makes its way through the ice to the air, moderating temperatures somewhat. Also, even in winter areas of open water are present in the pack ice, allowing more ocean heat to escape into the air.
The second reason is elevation. As you go up in altitude, the air temperature decreases (by 6.5C for each 1 km). Since the average elevation of Antarctica is 2.3 km, the air is much colder compared to the Arctic Ocean, which is at sea level.
Lt.Col.FrankSlade
Well-Known Member
If they had held onto that huge lead at Kansas, and then beaten Iowa State and Kansas State - Hawkins would have been 6-5 with the Nebraska game and a bowl game left on the season.
Sometimes I wonder, if HaLk could have coached without the nepotism albatross around his neck, if he would have been any good in 2011. If your scenario had come true, we might have had to find out.....
Might want to check your facts on that. I'm pretty sure Absinthe is right.
cubuffs85
Active Member
The funny thing and I always laugh when this is brought it up is I remember at the time how much everyone was hoping Cody was going to sign here. Hawk even said in the year before he was fired that if he had to do all over again, he wouldn't have allowed Cody to come here. One of those hindsight 20/20 things.
I think things would've been different, not necessarily better. You could play the "if game" here all day.
After the way he handled his exit from CU I don't think he is ever going to get the chance but I'm not sure that Embree couldn't be a decent head coach someplace down the road.
He would need to have some time as a coordinator working under a head coach who is good at developing coordinators into head coaches. I can and do blame JE for how things ended and for going into a me against the world panic mode in his last year but I do think he is an intelligent guys who is hard working and based on his history I think could relate well with pro players.
I don't think his personality and expectations work well with college players. I also think that he was thoroughly unprepared to be a head coach when he took over the CU job. He had never been a coordinator, never been in a position where he was responsible for a side of the ball, never been the person in charge of coordinating or making final recruiting decisions, etc.
He would need to have some time as a coordinator working under a head coach who is good at developing coordinators into head coaches. I can and do blame JE for how things ended and for going into a me against the world panic mode in his last year but I do think he is an intelligent guys who is hard working and based on his history I think could relate well with pro players.
I don't think his personality and expectations work well with college players. I also think that he was thoroughly unprepared to be a head coach when he took over the CU job. He had never been a coordinator, never been in a position where he was responsible for a side of the ball, never been the person in charge of coordinating or making final recruiting decisions, etc.