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Would we be better off with Mills instead of Simba?

sackman

sackman

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Simba, as Rumblin correctly points out, is unfiltered terrible. Is Mills such a downgrade? I know he's still thin, but so is Jelly, and that doesn't seem to be as much of an issue for him. Just tossing that out there for the sake of discussion.
 
sackman said:
Simba, as Rumblin correctly points out, is unfiltered terrible. Is Mills such a downgrade? I know he's still thin, but so is Jelly, and that doesn't seem to be as much of an issue for him. Just tossing that out there for the sake of discussion.
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NO
 
With the potential of 5 players leaving the program, and 3 coming in... Boyle and his staff probably need to go after big man transfers that can play right away, with one year of eligibility left. That is, if we don't want to repeat a similar problem of depth this year
 
I don't like Oregon, but Altman seems to pick up big men from the transfer market each year. It would help us so much if he had a guy like Kazemi/Woods/Austin coming in as junior/seniors. It pisses me off they can exploit the rule cause their semester starts later than eveyrone elses, and they seem to get lucky finding these guys and getting them eligible (Kazemi did't have to sit a year, Austin couldn't get into USF but gets into Oregon somehow?, and Woods got kicked out of Wake Forest).

Back to orginial question, Boyle needs to force both guys out because neither are the answer for this team. If not, both should be graduating anyways, so I don't any issues.

There's a reason Mills comes off the bench only when we are blowing teams out by 30+ points. He has to be much worse than Simba to be sitting on the bench every game.

We need to find someone out there that can come over as a 5th year guy and play right away. There has to be a few of those guys out there. I guy like Iverson would be perfect, but those guys are hard to find.
 
By playing simba, we're fulfilling the cu requirement that at least 1 player has to drive you nuts every time he's in the game.

Only reason to not go with BM is Boyle needs schollys back and hopes he transfers out. I refuse to believe he's worse.
 
Shane is better than Ben.

Being realistic about the roster starts with that fact. Ben is Trey Eckloff without the shot, less strength and quickness, and a few inches more height. Shane was better than Trey 3 years ago and he's certainly better than Ben now. It is what it is. We have what we have.
 
Do you see team practices? Ben is like Sasquatch, most of us only know him by rumor, not actually having seen him play.

Although, I did see him live in '10 against USF, and he played first half minutes. Didn't look as bad as SHT to me, but that was years ago.
 
Gold said:
Do you see team practices? Ben is like Sasquatch, most of us only know him by rumor, not actually having seen him play.

Although, I did see him live in '10 against USF, and he played first half minutes. Didn't look as bad as SHT to me, but that was years ago.
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I have watched practices. If Ben was playing, the player he was guarding would get deep post position inside the charge circle every time down the court. Then, if the guy missed the layup, he'd win the fight for offensive rebounds until he scored. He'd also win the fight for every rebound from the missed shots of others. On offense, Ben would be posted 4-5 feet outside of where he's comfortable and then would fall away on his shot rather than take contact. He will never take a charge. He won't set strong picks on the outside for the guards.

If it was a game of H-O-R-S-E, I'd pick Ben way ahead of Shane. For an actual game, it's Shane and it's not even close.
 
Gold said:
Do you see team practices? Ben is like Sasquatch, most of us only know him by rumor, not actually having seen him play.

Although, I did see him live in '10 against USF, and he played first half minutes. Didn't look as bad as SHT to me, but that was years ago.
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Ben is tall. It ends there.
 
If this is truly the case, redshirting Gordon was a mistake. Maybe Tad felt he could count on Simba to spell Scott for 10 minutes a game. I am not convinced of that at this point. Simba goes in and the whole building holds its breath.
 
I believe you, but I'd still like to see for myself. Even if it means CU gives up 4 quick points.

I don't know what the +/- is for SHT, but it has to be in the negative thousands for his career (joking but not really). He's the definition that being unusually tall is an AQ for organized sports. The announcers last night started to praise the Australian Sports Institute, then after a few plays of him getting torched, outhustled, out jumped and basically schooled in every capacity in the game of basketball, that talk ended real fast.
 
Why is SHT so good at hedging and playing bump defense in the post but can't understand how to improve other elements? Udderly confusing.
The number of rebounds that roll through his fingers is mind boggling.
 
btbuff said:
Why is SHT so good at hedging and playing bump defense in the post but can't understand how to improve other elements? Udderly confusing.
The number of rebounds that roll through his fingers is mind boggling.
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Great point, he does do a great job hedging. I think he gets into trouble when he tries to play physical, he doesn't do a great job "banging" in the post, he will be doing a decent job then all of the sudden push a guy 10 feet out of the way and get called for a foul. There seems to be no in between.
 
jgisland said:
Great point, he does do a great job hedging. I think he gets into trouble when he tries to play physical, he doesn't do a great job "banging" in the post, he will be doing a decent job then all of the sudden push a guy 10 feet out of the way and get called for a foul. There seems to be no in between.
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Agree. The other part of that is that because the inbounder is the most likely pass from Mayor if he gets trapped, you'd really prefer having an inbounder who can make free throws.
 
Simba gets to play in games because he is tall and big enough to not get totally pushed around. He is also 5 fouls we can use on their bigs. He can make those fouls count, whereas Mills would not. He's like a hockey enforcer, not out there because he can play the game but he can punish somebody who has been pushing Jelly around.
 
Fight CU said:
who is simba and who is jelly?
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Simba = Shane Harris-Tunks. Got the nickname by playing like a lion cub, rather than a lion.

Jelly = Josh Scott. Some confusion as to why, but he was labeled that by the French announcing crew from over the summer. Most likely because his name sounds like "Jello Shot," and they ****ed up the pronunciation of jello.
 
Buffnik said:
Shane is better than Ben.

Being realistic about the roster starts with that fact. Ben is Trey Eckloff without the shot, less strength and quickness, and a few inches more height. Shane was better than Trey 3 years ago and he's certainly better than Ben now. It is what it is. We have what we have.
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:nod:
 
Shane has the body for major D1. Ben not so much. Both lack skills, frustratingly so.
 
Shane Harris-Tunks gets such a bad rap from posters here. He isn't nearly as bad as most people think. Is he a great player? No. Does he have the worst hands in D1 basketball? Possibly. Does he play an important role on this team? Very much so.

Sure, he came in last night and looked terrible. But that was only for his first shift. He was effective after that, getting four boards (one offensive), one steal, and one block in just 12 minutes. That's twelve minutes when Josh Scott could rest his body on the bench instead of banging around an endless supply of seven footers that USC throws out. SH-T was a net +2 last night.

He does the job this team needs him to do. He gives Josh some rest, grabs some boards, and draws a couple of fouls. He also shoots free throws better than anyone on the team but Spencer and Josh. This team would be lost without him.
 
jcatcher said:
Shane Harris-Tunks gets such a bad rap from posters here. He isn't nearly as bad as most people think. Is he a great player? No. Does he have the worst hands in D1 basketball? Possibly. Does he play an important role on this team? Very much so.

Sure, he came in last night and looked terrible. But that was only for his first shift. He was effective after that, getting four boards (one offensive), one steal, and one block in just 12 minutes. That's twelve minutes when Josh Scott could rest his body on the bench instead of banging around an endless supply of seven footers that USC throws out. SH-T was a net +2 last night.

He does the job this team needs him to do. He gives Josh some rest, grabs some boards, and draws a couple of fouls. He also shoots free throws better than anyone on the team but Spencer and Josh. This team would be lost without him.
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Yes he is
 
jcatcher said:
Shane Harris-Tunks gets such a bad rap from posters here. He isn't nearly as bad as most people think. Is he a great player? No. Does he have the worst hands in D1 basketball? Possibly. Does he play an important role on this team? Very much so.

Sure, he came in last night and looked terrible. But that was only for his first shift. He was effective after that, getting four boards (one offensive), one steal, and one block in just 12 minutes. That's twelve minutes when Josh Scott could rest his body on the bench instead of banging around an endless supply of seven footers that USC throws out. SH-T was a net +2 last night.

He does the job this team needs him to do. He gives Josh some rest, grabs some boards, and draws a couple of fouls. He also shoots free throws better than anyone on the team but Spencer and Josh. This team would be lost without him.
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:rofl:

I recommend a Snickers after that comment.
 
You guys just remember the bad stuff. It's confirmation bias. Here's his contribution the second time he came in in the first half:

8:44 Substitution in
8:24 Defensive rebound
8:01 Made free throw
8:01 Missed free throw
7:45 Blocked shot
7:44 Defensive rebound
6:45 Substitution out
 
jcatcher said:
You guys just remember the bad stuff. It's confirmation bias. Here's his contribution the second time he came in in the first half:

8:44 Substitution in
8:24 Defensive rebound
8:01 Made free throw
8:01 Missed free throw
7:45 Blocked shot
7:44 Defensive rebound
6:45 Substitution out
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Did you watch the game? The blocked shot was a joke. That list doesn't show the times where he mishandled the rebound badly and they got it.
 
God I wish there were more old ACC aficionados on here to compare Ben Mills to Chase Metheney. They are absolute clones.
 
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