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CU has rejoined the Big 12 and broken college football - talking out asses continues
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I don't yearn for the B12 days either, but options seem to be:
-stay in the P12, add random MWC teams, hope UO/UW don't dip at the first chance, likely get a ****ty tv deal
-go to the B12, most notable team is apparently Okie St, gross as ****
-merge with the B12, at least hopefully keep the good parts of the P12 and good football B12 I guess.
idk I don't love any options, but we seem ****ed
tbh even going to the B1G isn't that appealing from a football perspective. Like, games against Indiana at 9 AM PST don't do it for me, but we need that ****ing money. Plus games against the upper end of the conference would be fun
in a perfect world, the P12 un****s itself a decade ago, works something out with Texas/Okie and a few others and we have a massive TV deal, but we done ****ed that up so
Well get someone to hold your hair back
No mergers unless we have the bay schools and PNW schools committed. This is a chance to bury the terrible leadership that killed this conference. Giving them leverage only to have UO, UW, and probably Stanford leave anyway would be a terrible choice.
That’s fair I just think it’s hard for a bunch of 35 year old CU fans to accept that this program doesn’t even have the chance to be part of the national conversation by being in a lower tier league
The problem with merging the Pac 10 and Big 12 is that anything less $1B/year for that conference and it doesn’t matter. Even at $1B/year, spread across 22 teams, that’s $45m/year per team when the B1G and SEC will be around $100m/each.
A full on merger of conferences would need media revenue to come in somewhere around $2B/year for the conference of 22 programs to come remotely close to what the B1G and SEC are getting and we know that’s not going to happen.
A full on merger of conferences would need media revenue to come in somewhere around $2B/year for the conference of 22 programs to come remotely close to what the B1G and SEC are getting and we know that’s not going to happen.
I think our problem was many things.
Hanks right. We got hurt a lot by the Pacific time zone.
But we got hurt the most by the TV king makers that decided Central and East teams were the best for their bottom lines and rewarded them. The Central and East are more densely populated than the West (Another strike against us). Our games got on as a late night filler after thought.
AHoel is also right that leaving the fertile recruiting grounds of Texas for the less fertile grounds of California also hurt us. Parents have stopped letting their kids play football. Most of the schools in the Pac struggle to recruit except for one compared to their central and east rivals.
BlackNgold is right that the Presidents were too hands off with Scott. Kudos to him for getting us the best deal in that 1st year. Only to be eclipsed and passed by the B1G and then SEC. Too bad OU and UT refused. Kind of sucks that after the P12 its A few MW schools and no obvious add. And at least 8 to 9 of the Presidents seemed ok dokie with the status quo.
They call all that death by a thousand cuts.
buffinbama
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This sounds like CU
It occurred to me that this is a pretty logical idea. Im not sure its a great idea. But its a vast improvement in terms of the unknown right in front of us right now.
With the TV people I think they have dollar amount limits that might stop the B1G at LA schools. ND saying NO probably ends expansion for now because of the loss of excitement and momentum only ND can generate.
None of that BigPac24 merger stops the B1G from picking off the next two best pieces in say 5 years.
For USC and UCLA, and for some members of the BigPac24, the distances traveling here will be a strain in terms of money, schedules, and educational outcomes.
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I wonder how many of those people ever experienced the nirvana of the Big 8. I know it's too early to tell what the divisions (if there will be any) will be like but having UA, ASU, Utah, BYU, CU, KU, KSU, and maybe ISU will still be fun to watch in football. I'm tickled by the thought of what basketball is going to be like.
If one of those has an undefeated season, the CFP is doable and wouldn't this set up have a better chance of making the CFP than the current Pac-12?
I guess unless, as the guy says, they make UO and UW (and everyone else) sign a big ol GOR. You could (in theory) placate everyone by saying, okay, let's sign this GOR til 2035, since the ACC's GOR goes that long anyway, and that would (again in theory) probably keep everything in place til then.
BUT, if I'm Oregon, and this BigPac doesn't give me at least $50M (and I don't see this thing getting $1.2B), I don't want to really be sitting around for 15 years while USC, UCLA, et al get $100M per. Yeah, Uncle Phil's awesome and all, but come on.
Plus **** anything to do with not burning the Pac-12 network to the ground.
Expansion for any conference is going to be about brand, not market. Many of the top brand schools are in small college towns but the name draws eyes.
At this point anything is on the table. I wouldn't be surprised to see the SEC invite Oregon/UW and they're undoubtedly talking to ND. Needless to say it's doubtful ND would join the SEC but ND only has 2 options if they join a conference, the SEC and B1G.
Kroll's still on the board right?
I don't see how we can cure cancer unless we're in the MWC.
cu3x
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Got my 1st season tickets in 1966. Attended most games the next 40 years.
Games in the Big 8 era were great, lots of rivalries, people had a ton of fun. It was cool to finish high in the league (top 3), go to a bowl.
A plus, in those days there were a lot of Colorado kids who got a shot and excelled.
IMO, you all are corrupted by the craving for media and attention. We have to be ranked, we have to be national contenders.
Let's get in a competitive league and enjoy.
Games in the Big 8 era were great, lots of rivalries, people had a ton of fun. It was cool to finish high in the league (top 3), go to a bowl.
A plus, in those days there were a lot of Colorado kids who got a shot and excelled.
IMO, you all are corrupted by the craving for media and attention. We have to be ranked, we have to be national contenders.
Let's get in a competitive league and enjoy.
You never know what'll happen, but if either the Big Ten or SEC are smart, they let ND stew until they're stuck with deciding to be left out or join a conference on equal terms as everyone else.
ND is on notice that's for sure
32, 40, 48 - the Big Ten and SEC will break away and form their NFL like league. ND can't be independent and be a part. They have to know this by now.
This whole downward spiral for CU was obviously brought on by themselves as we all know. They were spooked by the fake scandal and never recovered. But I will also say the the move to the Pac12 give CU more reason to de-emphasize football and let them think they were an elite academic institution. The Pac 12 is full of apathetic fanbases whose admins snub their noses at elite football powers around the country.
Larry Scott held an introductory press conference in NYC saying he was going to make the Pac12 a national brand and everything went downhill from there, starting with the P12 Network which is one of the biggest running jokes in college football. The presidents and LS then double downed by refusing to partner the network with Fox or ESPN. They snubbed their noses at adding schools from Texas, the Oklahoma schools, or BYU. The affiliation with the Pac12 has attributed to the downfall of CU football because it enabled our administration to even further downplay the importance of football as a front porch of the university.
This conference is getting exactly what it deserves. Good for USC and UCLA for bolting to a real football conference. They didn't want to be stuck in this **** show when the B1G and SEC are pulling away from everyone else.
Larry Scott held an introductory press conference in NYC saying he was going to make the Pac12 a national brand and everything went downhill from there, starting with the P12 Network which is one of the biggest running jokes in college football. The presidents and LS then double downed by refusing to partner the network with Fox or ESPN. They snubbed their noses at adding schools from Texas, the Oklahoma schools, or BYU. The affiliation with the Pac12 has attributed to the downfall of CU football because it enabled our administration to even further downplay the importance of football as a front porch of the university.
This conference is getting exactly what it deserves. Good for USC and UCLA for bolting to a real football conference. They didn't want to be stuck in this **** show when the B1G and SEC are pulling away from everyone else.
SerenityBuff
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This is my first choice of the realistic options. There's zero chance the Big 10 wants us and the rotting carcass of the Pac-12 plus maybe an SDSU or UNLV does nothing for me.
I read somewhere that we were a package deal with ND.
Im so sick of watching losses. I’m actually coming around to the idea of playing wherever we can be competitive, national relevance be damned.
I don’t get the rational to partner CU with ND.
When I was a tutor at Colorado and Neu was the coach, we were paying players then too. We’ve just stopped playing in that pool.
I will be so happy to have many CU games on ESPN+ and that will help with the exposure. If the P12 says eff it with the P12N and puts P12N games on ESPN+ this year and next year before moving to the B12, that would be great.
Though if we don't make a commitment to winning, there's nowhere we will be competitive.
I think we could give my high school football team a good game. And that’s Texas 5A football, buddy!