My take: This ulbrich kid is taking the heat for Schoen's daughter because Joe schoen has something on Arthur Blank
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Shedeur Sanders - 2023-25 Tracking History Thread - Drafted by the Cleveland Browns (NFL)
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Link? If she’s hot at least
He even misspelled the name.
Does this 5’9” 161 pound dude know that Shilo broke a dude’s neck for touching his cell phone?
Just sayin’
Worst thing is that with all that has happened this week if Shedeur doesn't want to be again portrayed as the bad guy he has no real option except to accept the apology and move on rather than insist that Jeff Ulbrich be held accountable as well as the young idiot.
The coach has an obligation to secure private information that is in his control. This means no "accidental" leaks and his son knowing that anything he might incidentally see is to be kept quiet.
The son doesn't get a pass because he is a "kid." If you told him he requires additional supervision and restrictions because of his age he would certainly get upset. If he's old enough to make those decisions he's old enough to be responsible for the consequences.
The team is responsible for supervision of it's employees. An appropriate response from the league would be to take away a draft choice, maybe a 5th or around there. Let the coach explain to the management why his lacking concern should cost the team a draft choice.
Meanwhile though with the narative about him be ego driven and self-centered he is stuck not reacting which won't gain him anything among the haters but if he does respond with any anger the will be the one who gets portrayed negatively.
The coach has an obligation to secure private information that is in his control. This means no "accidental" leaks and his son knowing that anything he might incidentally see is to be kept quiet.
The son doesn't get a pass because he is a "kid." If you told him he requires additional supervision and restrictions because of his age he would certainly get upset. If he's old enough to make those decisions he's old enough to be responsible for the consequences.
The team is responsible for supervision of it's employees. An appropriate response from the league would be to take away a draft choice, maybe a 5th or around there. Let the coach explain to the management why his lacking concern should cost the team a draft choice.
Meanwhile though with the narative about him be ego driven and self-centered he is stuck not reacting which won't gain him anything among the haters but if he does respond with any anger the will be the one who gets portrayed negatively.
I agree. No free pass. For me, he’s not a kid. He’s a frat boy. I was a frat boy. I know first hand—not a kid, stupid as ****, and absolutely needs to face some consequences.
I’m embarrassed as **** about what we did decades ago, and I never did anything THAT purposefully harmful to someone else.
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“Sorry dad.”
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Shedeur handled the pre-draft process extremely poorly. Listening to his father's advice—which was based on his own experiences and personal view of Shedeur—didn't do him any favors, as NFL scouts clearly saw things differently. While I've heard he performed well in individual meetings with scouts and during the season, his overall process was considered horrendous.
This year featured exceptional quarterback prospects with great character across the board, making Shedeur's changed demeanor particularly noticeable. When you're evaluating quarterbacks to be the face of your franchise and potential CEO of your team, being perceived to have a poor attitude during the process hurts more than most realize, especially in a draft class filled with high-character prospects.
That said, NFL teams are terrible at evaluating quarterbacks. Absolutely terrible.
You gave Dillon Gabriel an undraftable grade when he played better under Lebby at Oklahoma, but discounted him because his supporting cast wasn't strong, forcing him to do more to win games. Are you serious? His situation at Oklahoma was challenging—he had to improvise frequently with limited weapons (his best receiver was Drake Stoops). He played impressively in my assessment. I gave him the same fourth-round grade last year that I gave him this year. Interestingly, NFL scouts loved his film this year because he didn't drift or force throws when receivers couldn't get open. Of course—he's now surrounded by the nation's best talent compared to Oklahoma's decent but unspectacular team, meaning he had to do far more to win games in Norman.
The same applies to Cam Ward. I had a late first-round grade on him both LAST year and THIS year. I thought his tape last year showed as much potential as Bo Nix and Michael Penix Jr., just more unrefined but with possibly higher upside. While he improved somewhat, his job at Miami looked much easier compared to Washington State. Now Chris Simms ranks him in the top three with Jayden Daniels and Caleb Williams. This is ridiculous. You all-22 film analysts (teams) fail to understand that players in difficult situations naturally take more risks to make plays because their teams aren't good enough. You ignore situation, context, and common sense!
Shedeur being selected in the fifth round demonstrates how poorly he and Coach Prime managed this process. Nevertheless, I'm also disappointed with NFL teams' evaluation processes generally. There's a reason your best quarterback was a sixth-round pick (Brady), another is a third-rounder (Montana), a generational talent fell to the end of the first round (Rodgers), and a two-time MVP also dropped to late first round (Jackson)—you're terrible at evaluating quarterbacks. Consider that most elite wide receivers are first-round picks. Even exceptional ones who weren't, like Terrell Owens, came from small schools and immediately proved scouts wrong. Running backs are scheme-dependent, making evaluation challenging. Offensive linemen depend on coaching and fit, but the best have consistently been first-rounders. Shedeur falling to the fifth round is his own fault—you can't mishandle a process this badly, especially in a draft class filled with quarterbacks who have great personalities.
That said, everyone else from Colorado performed well in the process. Everyone except Shedeur had great pre-draft showings. I hope he learns from this experience and returns to what made him successful.
This year featured exceptional quarterback prospects with great character across the board, making Shedeur's changed demeanor particularly noticeable. When you're evaluating quarterbacks to be the face of your franchise and potential CEO of your team, being perceived to have a poor attitude during the process hurts more than most realize, especially in a draft class filled with high-character prospects.
That said, NFL teams are terrible at evaluating quarterbacks. Absolutely terrible.
You gave Dillon Gabriel an undraftable grade when he played better under Lebby at Oklahoma, but discounted him because his supporting cast wasn't strong, forcing him to do more to win games. Are you serious? His situation at Oklahoma was challenging—he had to improvise frequently with limited weapons (his best receiver was Drake Stoops). He played impressively in my assessment. I gave him the same fourth-round grade last year that I gave him this year. Interestingly, NFL scouts loved his film this year because he didn't drift or force throws when receivers couldn't get open. Of course—he's now surrounded by the nation's best talent compared to Oklahoma's decent but unspectacular team, meaning he had to do far more to win games in Norman.
The same applies to Cam Ward. I had a late first-round grade on him both LAST year and THIS year. I thought his tape last year showed as much potential as Bo Nix and Michael Penix Jr., just more unrefined but with possibly higher upside. While he improved somewhat, his job at Miami looked much easier compared to Washington State. Now Chris Simms ranks him in the top three with Jayden Daniels and Caleb Williams. This is ridiculous. You all-22 film analysts (teams) fail to understand that players in difficult situations naturally take more risks to make plays because their teams aren't good enough. You ignore situation, context, and common sense!
Shedeur being selected in the fifth round demonstrates how poorly he and Coach Prime managed this process. Nevertheless, I'm also disappointed with NFL teams' evaluation processes generally. There's a reason your best quarterback was a sixth-round pick (Brady), another is a third-rounder (Montana), a generational talent fell to the end of the first round (Rodgers), and a two-time MVP also dropped to late first round (Jackson)—you're terrible at evaluating quarterbacks. Consider that most elite wide receivers are first-round picks. Even exceptional ones who weren't, like Terrell Owens, came from small schools and immediately proved scouts wrong. Running backs are scheme-dependent, making evaluation challenging. Offensive linemen depend on coaching and fit, but the best have consistently been first-rounders. Shedeur falling to the fifth round is his own fault—you can't mishandle a process this badly, especially in a draft class filled with quarterbacks who have great personalities.
That said, everyone else from Colorado performed well in the process. Everyone except Shedeur had great pre-draft showings. I hope he learns from this experience and returns to what made him successful.
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I like Jeff but his son did some stupid **** to Kyle, Tyler, and Shedeur. Why? For kicks, come on son. Jeff should be punished. This is why they do personal information training in corp America and you have to lock your PC or work tablets at all times.
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It's not even remotely close to Nix's arm. It's average at best and he is already incredibly polished. His ceiling is very low for people thinking he was going #3.
Trogdor
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Shough is 6'5 220 with a big arm, and runs like the wind. His upside on day 3 absolutely dwarfs Shedeur's.
The Gabriel pick is how GMs get fired. Sanders made way more sense there.
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Boy, you better pray Tyler works out because this post will be upped in 3 years and can look real bad for you.
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I won't criticize NFL talent evaluators too much because quarterback assessment is genuinely challenging. Even scouting high school quarterbacks as a college recruiter would be difficult for me, and I'd struggle evaluating quarterbacks with limited college snaps in the transfer portal unless I could work with them directly.
I recognize my own imperfections in evaluation. I completely missed on the entire 2021 NFL Draft quarterback class. Despite having reservations about each prospect, I believed their talent would overcome challenges—but it clearly didn't. I also refuse to label Bryce Young a bust yet. I anticipated he would need time to adjust since Alabama provided an ideal quarterback environment with clean pockets and mostly simulated pressure, whereas NFL situations involve leakier offensive lines and receivers who don't get open as easily as they did in college. Additionally, NFL running games are less reliable, and defenses can't consistently maintain leads.
I think evaluators missed on Patrick Mahomes. And regarding Brock Purdy, he had an outstanding freshman season at Iowa State with Hakeem Butler, Kene Nwangwu, David Montgomery, and a solid offensive line. Unsurprisingly, it was his best collegiate season—Iowa State was loaded with talent then. Breece Hall couldn't even earn playing time that year.
I believe NFL quarterback scouting could improve, and I acknowledge that I can do better myself. I've missed on prospects over the years—for instance, I gave what would now be equivalent to a second-round grade on Malik Willis, who didn't translate to the NFL. That was definitely a miss on my part.
AS long as the players are supportive, and they saw what the nfl did to him, he will be fine.
But, it's possible management is gonna be extra tough on him - so they can prove their evaluation was correct
More than 2 dozen women accused DeShaun Watson of sexually assaulting them = 1st round draft choice.
SS and dad act arrogant and uppity, the league united to punish them, try and humiliate them..
It's not so much racism, as keeping people in their proper place.
But, it's possible management is gonna be extra tough on him - so they can prove their evaluation was correct
More than 2 dozen women accused DeShaun Watson of sexually assaulting them = 1st round draft choice.
SS and dad act arrogant and uppity, the league united to punish them, try and humiliate them..
It's not so much racism, as keeping people in their proper place.
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CitizenKane
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Nix clearly struggled in college with arm strength and it was the biggest concern for him coming out of college. It also was part of the reason he dropped on so many draft boards other than the broncos. As a rookie in the nfl he showed that unless his base is perfect the concerns are valid. When his feet are right and he can get his body behind it he is fine, when he doesn’t his arm isn’t strong enough to make up for it.
On the other hand SS has endless throws on film where he doesn’t have a good base and he chucks it hard and downfield right on target anyway. Plenty of arm strength even when his base isn’t right. The two most memorable for me are the game winner against Baylor from last season and the cross body throw for a TD against USC two seasons ago. Arm strength vis a vis Nix is a competition SS wins the 100 times out of 100.
If you’re looking for weaknesses with SS look at how long he hangs on to the ball and the fact that he wants to roll out of the pocket instead of stepping up into it. Both causing a significant portion of his sacks.
Before the pro day that SS held there were rumors about him lacking arm strength. Those vanished afterwards and they went on to pick on other perceived flaws. Not saying SS will be as good or better of a pro QB as Nix just that your criticism of arm strength is laughable
If you never did anything as bad as a prank phone call, you've lived a life approaching sainthood.
Also a really tough look for a guy who hasn’t even coached a game yet.
I think we’ve all done prank phone calls. To businesses making stupid orders/requests. To friends to make fun of them or scare them. To middle school crushes.
I’ve personally, and I would think most here, have never prank called someone trying to ruin what should be one of the best days of their life. That’s just cold-hearted.
I did when I was 10. Obviously not the end of the world though.
That wasn’t a prank phone call. A prank phone call doesn’t get posted to social media for the world to see and hear, purposely to humiliate someone you don’t know but who is very well known, and to deride them in from of the world.
Pranking on a friend is (and should be) just between you and your friend(s).
I wouldn't frame this as a prank call, so much as intentionally hurting a person when they are most vulnerable. It's a level of meanness that I can't fathom.
ok, it's being reported in the media as a prank call -- that's probably where I got that idea
fukking fake news makes it really hard to have a conversation around current events
Tyler warren also got a prank call, apparently.
When I see the info coming out with Shedeur I think they just plain overplayed their hand and thought they had something when in fact they didn't.
This is from Bruce Feldman and meshes with what I read elsewhere. Some teams felt like they weren't interviewing him, but the other way around. I guess we'll see how Shedeur handles being the underdog for the first time in his life.
When I see the info coming out with Shedeur I think they just plain overplayed their hand and thought they had something when in fact they didn't.
This is from Bruce Feldman and meshes with what I read elsewhere. Some teams felt like they weren't interviewing him, but the other way around. I guess we'll see how Shedeur handles being the underdog for the first time in his life.
maybe the most boomer thing I've ever read.