BuffNut99
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Agreed. Pretty sure that's what Embree would have done at 11:59pm Wed.
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'12 CO OG Alex Kozan (Signed to Auburn)
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somebody
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I'll tell you what's bull****: complaining about a HS kid who's making a big decision but not complying with an arbitrary day, set up to satisfy multi-million dollar businesses. And Iowa is free to do what they want - it's not like he has nothing at risk.
IMO, this is a non-story it has nothihg on a major recruiter jumping to a conference rival just before signing day. And why the hell do you care, anyway? We're not in the picture.
IMO, this is a non-story it has nothihg on a major recruiter jumping to a conference rival just before signing day. And why the hell do you care, anyway? We're not in the picture.
Pre-LOI is the only time these kids have any leverage with the schools and the NCAA. More power to them. If he waits a few days and ends up where he really wants to go to school, good for him. He's taking a risk that all these schools pull his spot and he ends up somewhere even worse, but if he's willing to do that no one should tell him to do otherwise. I can understand Iowa might be peeved if they turned down someone else because he "committed," but everyone knows that it's not over until the fax comes in.
Del
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And with that a year worth of coaches and parents pulling him in different directions.
I don't question that he has the right to pick where he wants to go or when he wants to go. My issue is that the way he is handling it is pretty classless. Yes he is a 17 year old kid but he has people advising him and he can still act decently, just be honest. By making a commitment that he doesn't follow up on it makes it difficult for the Iowa coaches. It also may mean that another kid who wanted to go to Iowa was told that his spot was filled and ended up committing to another school when he could have gone to Iowa instead.
Del
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:rolling_eyes: :lol:
**** the establishment! :lol:
bigbang2
blindslighted
Can u pls explain further, why do you think it is wrong.
ExACTLY! :thumbsup:
Del
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http://www.sbnation.com/college-foo...ent-friday-auburn-michigan-wisconsin-arkansas :lol::lol::lol: The number 1 recruit in the nation can decide on signing day but this guy wants prime time on a Friday night lol!
My issue isn't with him wanting to go to Michigan. It's with his giving a verbal to Iowa and then not following through. If he wanted to go to Michigan, he shouldn't have given a verbal to Iowa. As somebody has stated - if Iowa told some kid that their class was full because of this jerk, I'd be pretty pissed off. He waited until the last possible minute to issue his verbal to Iowa. If Michigan was going to come calling, they would have done so already. Be a stand up guy and go to Iowa. Unless, of course, they've pulled the offer. That's what I'd do.
Iowa should yank the offer.
Iowa should yank the offer.
Sexton Hardcastle
Club Member
I'm jumping in late, so I don't know all the details. I have no issues with a kid giving a verbal just to hold on to a scholarship. College recruiting is a shady business, and there are plenty of examples of schools screwing over kids. Didn't Stanford just pull a kids offer because he didn't "qualify"? I believe the kid had better grades out of HS than Barry Sanders Jr. But that's just the most recent example. I'm sure there are thousands of examples of kids getting jerked around.
So two wrongs make a right. No justification for what SEC schools do with oversigning or Stanford pulling a kid's scholly for "academic" reasons. That doesn't mean that Iowa lied to this kid or deserved for him to be a jerk.
Certainly recruiting can be a dirty business and if it were Bama' involved then you could look at it differently but there is no sign that Iowa did anything that was not up-front and honest. I hope that Iowa pulls the scholly and the kid gets left scrambling for a spot. He will find one but if it isn't one that he would have preferred, so much the better.
Neither is OK. I don't like what Stanford did either. I think they did it to a couple kids, IIRC. Bad form, if you ask me. However, at least Stanford had the class to pull the offer prior to NLOI day. Each of those kids had the opportunity to go elsewhere, and one of them nearly came here.
The Kozan situation smells a lot to me like a kid with an overdeveloped sense of entitlement. He doesn't think he should play by the same rules as everybody else.
Sexton Hardcastle
Club Member
I tend to be on the athlete's side in these matters. CFB is a billion dollar business. So I don't really buy your "two wrongs don't make a right" line.
I'm also not a Bama fan. So who the **** cares about them. (besides Tini of course)
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Sexton Hardcastle
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At least they pulled it before NLOI day? Wow. Not going there. :lol:
So two wrongs DO make a right?
Would you have preferred to have them accept the LOI and THEN tell him he can't get in to school? Wow. I'm not going there, either.
Sexton Hardcastle
Club Member
Again. I have no issues with a kid using a school to get ahead.
Yeah, a week. That was classy.
Regarding Kozan, how is everyone so sure he didn't tell Iowa he was committing unless Michigan showed up with an offer? Even if he didn't, I still side with the kids. The schools can and do **** the student athletes around after they are in the program, so the kids need to do what they have to do.
Sexton Hardcastle
Club Member
:lol: Yeah. Thanks Stanford. :lol:
"Class" was an innappropriate choice of words for what Stanford did. I just couldn't think of a better word. I believe that they did the kids a favor by not accepting the LOIs. A lot of schools wouldn't have done that. They would have accepted the LOI and kicked the can down the road, hoping for some natural attrition.
Sexton Hardcastle
Club Member
So, really - you think that they should have accepted the LOI, knowing they didn't have room for the kid. Am I reading you right on this? Both of those kids had the opportunity to sign someplace else. Was it nice? No. It wasn't. It probably sucked for them. It would have sucked a whole lot more had they found out when they reported in July that there wasn't a spot on the roster for them.
So you expect the school to behave appropriately but whatever the kid does is okay because he is a kid. Glad I'm not coaching your kid, ticket to a losing program.
Sexton Hardcastle
Club Member
I apologize for my opinion coach. :lol:
If Kozan was honest and up-front about where he stood then I don't have a problem. At that point it is up to Iowa to say if they are willing to wait or want to use the offer for another kid. Nothing that has come out indicates that that was the case here.
Just because some programs act innapropriately doesn't mean that the kids have the right to treat all programs badly.
I normally side with the kid as well, as long as the kid is acting in a decent and respectfull manner. In this case it looks like he isn't. If I were Iowa I would pull the offer and tell him to look elsewhere.