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'15 TX QB Chason Virgil (Verbal to Fresno State)
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:rofl: No way!
Mr. Babar
I have no elephant books
So, do we actually have a shot at this guy? Haven't been following it closely, but if he was choosing between CU and MissSt in May, does he still hold us in that high of regard? 2-9 probably doesn't help our cause, but he could put up video game numbers with HCMM and Lindgren.
AlferdJasper
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He still has at least 10 other offers listed, so no telling where he will end up.
http://247sports.com/Recruitment/Chason-Virgil-20460/RecruitInterests
Scout story has few details: http://recruiting.scout.com/story/1483200-chason-virgil-s-recruitment-back-open
What I am wondering, behind the scenes, is if any schools of interest are able to get him admitted in time for January? The timing of the scholly pull/decommitment makes it important that wherever he wants to go, is able to get him through admissions in time to be enrolled for spring. THAT may be what is being discussed quietly.
But any school who didn't use all current year schollys could count him for 2014 if he gets enrolled quickly, ... at least I think so ...
Really doubt most those offers are still available
The short answer: no one really knows right now. Not sure Virgil himself knows yet.
Yeah, with Chason now enrolling for the spring semester, he doesn't have a ton of options. Also, most of those same Schools already have an elite QB committed. We had better be all over this and find any way possible to get him in.
BuffLuke80
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Maybe we can swoop in, get it done Mac.
Mr. Babar
I have no elephant books
This would be an amazing pick up. *fingers crossed*
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AlferdJasper
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Flawed logic, IMO. If someone breaks his word, the dishonor is on him. I think this Vigil case is really rare. To me, anyway, a commitment is akin to giving your word and you should honor that commitment. There has to be a level of trust between both parties or the system breaks down.
While i agree with the premise, Chason didn't make any visits after he committed to MSU, IIRC. Maybe he did and we never heard about it because it wasn't a trip to CU.
AlferdJasper
Well-Known Member
Chason's honor is not the problem -- and the case isn't that rare. Mississippi State is doing well this year, top four teams. And they currently have 30 schollies committed out the 25 new scholarships that are allowed each year. Oh, wait. Yeah, there are another 4-5 guys about to get some awkward communication from MSU.
A few will say, gray shirt, no problem. But a kid who was pressured to graduate early and STILL has the offer yanked, that sucks and I hope MSU's reputation pays the price.
That wasn't my point - it was a quote saying in general we should not be so tough on recruits who keep options open, because here's an example of a kid who did everything by the book (committed early, didn't take visits, never waivered in commitment) and got screwed as a result. So when a kid keeps eyes open, we need to remember that they are probably at the mercy of some coach who doesn't give a damn about them personally --- unless they end up on his team. Until signing day, a kid is just a number.
AlferdJasper
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Colorado not listed in this Nov. 25 update, taking a visit to Louisville.
Rivals (free content):
Mississippi State has had a banner season, but this past week, it lost in Texas. Coach Dan Mullen and his staff are taking a lot of heat after informing West Mesquite head coach Jeff Neill they wanted his quarterback, Chason Virgil, to grayshirt. Virgil, who committed to Mississippi State in May, was planning to enroll in January. The news was less than well-received by both player and coach, but it did not take long for other college programs to take interest. Virgil is taking an official visit to Louisville this weekend, Bowling Green, Indiana, and Utah have become options and Oklahoma and TCU could also be possibilities.
Rivals (free content):
bigbuff44
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Colorado not listed in this Nov. 25 update, taking a visit to Louisville.
Rivals (free content):
Mississippi State has had a banner season, but this past week, it lost in Texas. Coach Dan Mullen and his staff are taking a lot of heat after informing West Mesquite head coach Jeff Neill they wanted his quarterback, Chason Virgil, to grayshirt. Virgil, who committed to Mississippi State in May, was planning to enroll in January. The news was less than well-received by both player and coach, but it did not take long for other college programs to take interest. Virgil is taking an official visit to Louisville this weekend, Bowling Green, Indiana, and Utah have become options and Oklahoma and TCU could also be possibilities.
I was about to post this also. Who knows what we will do after this last game. I figure things will pick up on the recruiting front quickly after Saturdays game.
lawdogg
Club Member
Maybe the staff feels like they've already got their guy in Montez. I'd like to see them get involved and have to think if we did we'd be back in the mix, but the staff might see it differently.
Ummm, perception is (based on record) we suck worse now than we did when we were originally in the conversation, so he doesn't want to talk to us?
AlferdJasper
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I would assume we hung up on the conversation when he committed. A good recruiter wouldn't waste time on a committed player to a school which might play for the national championship, but a brilliant recruiter keeps in touch and keeps juggling all the options, I guess. Either way, we were an option before this season, but not during.
Pretty sure offering "early playing time" isn't enough.
Because QB recruiting is weird
White_Rabbit
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Taking Virgil and Montez makes too much sense to me, so I'm sure it won't happen. Take both, let them fight it out like Wittek and Kessler did at USC, loser transfers or becomes a TE (Montez).
OK. It's fine to tell him that, but when you are given the opportunity to sign a kid who is, by most accounts, a better prospect, you do it. You then go to Montez and tell him that you will honor his scholarship, but that in the interest of the program, you felt that you needed to also take another quarterback. That's being honest and respectful of your commitment to him. I see nothing wrong with taking that approach.
I'm not questioning Chason's honor whatsoever. He got the shaft. But your point was that since coaches can screw a kid over, recruits should feel free to keep visiting other schools after giving a verbal commitment. That is what I disagree with. I think what MSU did to him is abhorrent but it doesn't justify recruits saying, "Yeah, coach, I'm giving you my verbal commitment, but, you know what, I'm going to keep looking at other schools." Then the coach will say, "That's fine. However, if we find a recruit to take your place, we will." At that point, what is the point of a commitment?
AlferdJasper
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Not my point. I was quoting a sports reporter who tweeted that, just something to think about.
On related note, I DO think that if a kid comes to a school under one coaching staff and the coach asks a kid to leave because he doesn't "fit the system", there ought to be some flexibility for the player with the NCAA. I'm thinking today about Ryan Mallett, who was QB at Michigan, was told by new coach Rich Rodriguez "you have no place on my team" and had to transfer and sit out a year. He lost a year of eligibility, but the coach can come and go with no harm no foul.
Mallett (currently injured) ended up with the Houston Texans, but what if he had not had a redshirt year to sit out? It's the overall unfairness. We are asking the kids to "honor" commitments, but if the school changes their minds, oh well. Hate it.
AlferdJasper
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So, basically, if you are on the 2015 Mississippi State Commitment list, look to your right and look to your left. Five more kids are NOT going to get scholarships they've been promised. They were at 31 with Virgil, now at 30 commits. NCAA allows just 25 new schollies per year.
Would you scramble or feel confident?
Would you scramble or feel confident?
I wouldn't call Montez the loser.
1) He committed to CU from get go
2) He could be the better QB (IMO he will be)
c) Montez is/has committed the other kid has not. As far as we know, is CU on his radar??
Joe Theismann's Leg
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I lol'd. Then again, I just taught a unit on ancient Rome last month to 4 classes of sophomores.
SINKRATZ
PhD in Analogy
If Virgil is a December graduate, couldn't he be on campus in January and count toward last year's class? He wouldn't be in the Montez class.