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'19 CO QB Ty Evans (Signed to NC State)

Big Iron Buff said:
Can we put this bull**** theory that if a guy doesn't play for a 5A school he isn't worth recruiting? It always annoys me and I usually just ignore it, but it has hit critical mass in this thread. Here are some guys off the top of my head who have been serious contributors in the NFL in the past 10 years from 3A and smaller schools in Colorado...

Nate Solder from 1A Buena Vista (we all know what he's accomplished)
Ryan Jenson from 3A Fort Morgan, starting center for Tampa Bay.
Joel Dreessen from 3A Fort Morgan, contributed for both Texans and Broncos, with a solid 2012 season when he started.
Mitch Unrein from 2A Eaton, contributed for the Broncos and Bears.
Austin Ekeler from 2A Eaton, having a good year for the Chargers and looks like he'll have a good career as a 3rd down back.
And not in NFL yet, but Dalton Risner from 1A Wiggins, projected as a top 10 pick this year.

Yeah, the average talent level is less in lower classifications. Yeah, their stats can be elevated from it. But that doesn't lower the ceiling of what kind of players these schools can produce. They take more elaborate analysis and you probably want to get them to a camp to see them compete against higher level opponents, but suggesting Evans is a miss just because he's in 3A is irresponsible and makes you look like a smug douche. Not any old slapdick gets invited to the elite 11. Not any old slapdick has an NFL career.

Being ok with Ty leaving because you trust MT might have another plan? Ok. Being ok because you don't think he'll fit our scheme? Understandable. But sour grapes and throwing out classification, especially in a recruit thread, makes you a dildo.
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Iron,
You make some good points (except for the dildo part).

The guys you mentioned are all great players from small schools in Colorado. The problem is that none of them are quarterbacks. The streets are littered with Colorado QB’s (From all classifications) who were highly recruited to big time schools who got eaten alive at the D1 level.

McCaffery, Strait, Del Rio, Berglund, Elway, Ochs, Miles, Sokoloski, Sturm, are all names that come to mind. These are Colorado HS All-stars who just couldn’t make it at the next level.

I can only think of two: Colter and Tony Lindsay that were Colorado QB’s who excelled at the D1 level. I’m sure there were others but the list is not long.

The truth is that Colorado HS football does not historically produce a lot of “big time” QB talent. Less likely still would be that talent from a 3a school. That doesn’t mean it won’t happen someday but it would be against the odds.

Having said that, best of luck to the kid!

Signed,

Not a dildo
 
I dont think there is a backup plan. I think we take two QBs next class or go after a grad transfer. Wish Evans the best at NC state.
 
Buffnik said:
Just had a nice twitter conversation with Ty's dad. It's a business decision on a very short timeline, basically. Enrolling in January. No time to build a relationship before signing day and not even knowing what the system will be or if Ty's really their guy for the new staff. It was a matter of going back to a relationship and system where they had comfort to make what they considered was the best/ safest decision they could for his future on a very short deadline.

I was high on Ty as a prospect, so I'm disappointed. I also think he could have waited a day or two to talk to the new OC, but I don't know for sure that NC State was going to give him that space or if he even wanted that space (maybe it just felt right to him & the family so after 2 staff changes yanking the rug out from him this year they wanted it to be over). Anyway, I'm not bitter. Nice kid. Nice family. We'll also move on and be just fine.
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Yeah, Ty's making the best decision he can for himself based on the information he has. So, a pox on Bielema!
 
SBP said:
Iron,
You make some good points (except for the dildo part).

The guys you mentioned are all great players from small schools in Colorado. The problem is that none of them are quarterbacks. The streets are littered with Colorado QB’s (From all classifications) who were highly recruited to big time schools who got eaten alive at the D1 level.

McCaffery, Strait, Del Rio, Berglund, Elway, Ochs, Miles, Sokoloski, Sturm, are all names that come to mind. These are Colorado HS All-stars who just couldn’t make it at the next level.

I can only think of two: Colter and Tony Lindsay that were Colorado QB’s who excelled at the D1 level. I’m sure there were others but the list is not long.

The truth is that Colorado HS football does not historically produce a lot of “big time” QB talent. Less likely still would be that talent from a 3a school. That doesn’t mean it won’t happen someday but it would be against the odds.

Having said that, best of luck to the kid!

Signed,

Not a dildo
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You forgot Austin Hinder that went to Cal.
 
Duff Man said:
I buy they did not love Evans.

I do not necessarily buy they have a solid backup plan.
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I don't buy that "they did not love Evans", because frankly the timeline doesn't fit. What we know:

1) MT is a defensive coach
2) MT was introduced as the CU coach on Wednesday
3) MT did not meet with the CU coaching staff until Thursday
4) Evans was on a plane to NC on Friday, which means his tickets were probably booked before Friday (Weds/Thurs at the latest)
5) MT had probably not made any decisions on who the future OC would be, or what type of QB they wanted (Evans or someone else) before Evans was on the airplane.

The facts point to a kid that wants to sign in the early period, and enroll early. The facts say he spoke to Roper who encouraged him that NCSU would be a good fit for him. To his benefit, he wanted to know that the situation he was walking into was going to be the best one for his future. There is scant evidence that MT dumped him over a talent evaluation. I do agree that they probably didn't have a solid backup plan in place when Evans went to NC, because (again) the timeline above.
 
30Something said:
I don't buy that "they did not love Evans", because frankly the timeline doesn't fit. What we know:

1) MT is a defensive coach
2) MT was introduced as the CU coach on Wednesday
3) MT did not meet with the CU coaching staff until Thursday
4) Evans was on a plane to NC on Friday, which means his tickets were probably booked before Friday (Weds/Thurs at the latest)
5) MT had probably not made any decisions on who the future OC would be, or what type of QB they wanted (Evans or someone else) before Evans was on the airplane.

The facts point to a kid that wants to sign in the early period, and enroll early. The facts say he spoke to Roper who encouraged him that NCSU would be a good fit for him. To his benefit, he wanted to know that the situation he was walking into was going to be the best one for his future. There is scant evidence that MT dumped him over a talent evaluation. I do agree that they probably didn't have a solid backup plan in place when Evans went to NC, because (again) the timeline above.
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Potentially correct take, but if Roper was still employed and made comments to Evans and his dad that swayed or changed the situation, that would be a sad move by him. Seems like Evans was told something about the direction Tucker wants to go with “His” QB’s. I think they want athletic dual threat because that is the toughest to defend. Was Evans athletic enough to run?
 
Sykobuff said:
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Yeah, it would be way out of character for Syko's post not to be sarcastic there, but we are dealing with serious sh!t here. Our feelings for Ty went deep and now hes at NC State, and that sucks because we love skilled homegrown kids, especially at QB, even if they dont fit completely into a new offensive system.
 
4BienemyTDs said:
Potentially correct take, but if Roper was still employed and made comments to Evans and his dad that swayed or changed the situation, that would be a sad move by him. Seems like Evans was told something about the direction Tucker wants to go with “His” QB’s. I think they want athletic dual threat because that is the toughest to defend. Was Evans athletic enough to run?
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Agree about Roper, although I'm guessing anything Roper said to Evans was over the weekend after he knew his fate. That said, as soon as Roper was out, I think Evans was out. His comments in the Gazette article make it clear that he wanted some stability in the coaching staff, and CU couldn't tell him who his OC and QB coach would be.

To me, its all good though. The kid is ending up in a place that's he's happy about. CU will find a QB that hopefully our coaching staff is happy about, and I agree that they'll likely prioritize an athletic, mobile QB.
 
Big Iron Buff said:
Can we put this bull**** theory that if a guy doesn't play for a 5A school he isn't worth recruiting? It always annoys me and I usually just ignore it, but it has hit critical mass in this thread. Here are some guys off the top of my head who have been serious contributors in the NFL in the past 10 years from 3A and smaller schools in Colorado...

Nate Solder from 1A Buena Vista (we all know what he's accomplished)
Ryan Jenson from 3A Fort Morgan, starting center for Tampa Bay.
Joel Dreessen from 3A Fort Morgan, contributed for both Texans and Broncos, with a solid 2012 season when he started.
Mitch Unrein from 2A Eaton, contributed for the Broncos and Bears.
Austin Ekeler from 2A Eaton, having a good year for the Chargers and looks like he'll have a good career as a 3rd down back.
And not in NFL yet, but Dalton Risner from 1A Wiggins, projected as a top 10 pick this year.

Yeah, the average talent level is less in lower classifications. Yeah, their stats can be elevated from it. But that doesn't lower the ceiling of what kind of players these schools can produce. They take more elaborate analysis and you probably want to get them to a camp to see them compete against higher level opponents, but suggesting Evans is a miss just because he's in 3A is irresponsible and makes you look like a smug douche. Not any old slapdick gets invited to the elite 11. Not any old slapdick has an NFL career.

Being ok with Ty leaving because you trust MT might have another plan? Ok. Being ok because you don't think he'll fit our scheme? Understandable. But sour grapes and throwing out classification, especially in a recruit thread, makes you a dildo.
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This is a great post and should be engraved in gold as a testament to the need to scour the lower local classifications for HS players that are NOT QBs. But look at SBP's post further down in this thread. QB is a position that is largely defined by statistics and as such I think that the levels of competition are relevant. You never know for sure but you can write the names of local HS QBs who've been very successful at the college level on the back of a postage stamp with a crayon. I'm a big advocate of finding small HS Colorado players at most positions but my skepticism filter goes up at the QB position. These kids are basically rolling up numbers against virtually junior high levels of competition in some cases. While I do understand that camp people and college recruiters are looking at mechanics and some non-statistical things, the big draws that get them to the table are the game numbers. It's a tough position to recruit at ANY HS level but much more so from the small schools. And again we wish Ty Evans the very best at his new venue.
 
ty did what’s best for him...can’t blame him...is it the death knell for cu?...NO!....... i have trust in MT but the road to the top will not be a straight shot....im trying my best to stay calm....
 
My favorite local QB was the "dual threat" guy that went to Kansas State about 6 or 7 years ago if my memory is right. I think his name was Klein. Very successful and a gigantic miss by the Buffs coaching staff, though I use the phrase "Buffs coaching staff" lightly.
 
not that great of a loss other than image on CU, but better to do it now. Ty was a little light in the pants and the competition he was facing on Friday nights wasn't much and he is hurt. We will be just fine. CU needs to target a more physical and dual threat QB now anyways. No more dead wood on the bench, we want players that can come in and contribute and not take three years to develop.
 
Evans comments tell me MT was pretty ambivalent about his coming to CU. It’s a bit of a PR hit, but it’ll be forgotten soon enough. Of course, if Evans goes to NCSU and lights the world on fire, Tucker will never hear the end of it. Bottom line, I suspect Tucker has somebody else in mind for QB in this class. I have absolutely no proof of this other than reading between the lines. It’s pretty obvious which current commits he wants to keep.
 
PAHIBuff said:
This is a great post and should be engraved in gold as a testament to the need to scour the lower local classifications for HS players that are NOT QBs. But look at SBP's post further down in this thread. QB is a position that is largely defined by statistics and as such I think that the levels of competition are relevant. You never know for sure but you can write the names of local HS QBs who've been very successful at the college level on the back of a postage stamp with a crayon. I'm a big advocate of finding small HS Colorado players at most positions but my skepticism filter goes up at the QB position. These kids are basically rolling up numbers against virtually junior high levels of competition in some cases. While I do understand that camp people and college recruiters are looking at mechanics and some non-statistical things, the big draws that get them to the table are the game numbers. It's a tough position to recruit at ANY HS level but much more so from the small schools. And again we wish Ty Evans the very best at his new venue.
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My take away from Big Iron Buff's post was don't be a dildo.
 
I don’t follow Colorado HS football all too closely, but it seems from my cursory glances that there’s a huge divide even within 5A schools that CHSAA has to operate that division with schools who are good at football and those that aren’t. Granted, like anything in life, you’ll have individual anomalies where a particular person is able to buck the odds and show their worth above their peers. But, in an imperfect world of recruiting, sometimes you miss and hit on those diamonds in the rough.
 
TSchekler said:
Jake Fromm a game manager? Do you even watch college football, pahi?
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Yes I do. OK, my equating Fromm to Browning was a little over the top, but my MOM could average 300 YPG passing with Georgia's OL and RBs. Put Fromm on CU's 2017 & 2018 teams and he's Just A Guy. My larger point was that hopefully it looks like we are not going to be chasing the next iteration of Orange County wonder boy QBs any longer.
 
manhattanbuf said:
I don’t follow Colorado HS football all too closely, but it seems from my cursory glances that there’s a huge divide even within 5A schools that CHSAA has to operate that division with schools who are good at football and those that aren’t. Granted, like anything in life, you’ll have individual anomalies where a particular person is able to buck the odds and show their worth above their peers. But, in an imperfect world of recruiting, sometimes you miss and hit on those diamonds in the rough.
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Yeah, there's a big divide here even at the highest levels. There are about 6 schools, give or take, that have a chance to win the 5A state title in any given year. And 6 is probably stretching it.
 
PAHIBuff said:
Yes I do. OK, my equating Fromm to Browning was a little over the top, but my MOM could average 300 YPG passing with Georgia's OL and RBs. Put Fromm on CU's 2017 & 2018 teams and he's Just A Guy. My larger point was that hopefully it looks like we are not going to be chasing the next iteration of Orange County wonder boy QBs any longer.
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No, he's making throws that Montez missed or can't make because Fromm is a very well rounded QB. He has good arm strength, great accuracy, and knows how to throw with touch. This makes me think you really don't watch college football if you think Fromm would be JAG on a CU level team. I think Montez has done well considering the limitations the offense/OL have put on him, but Fromm is levels above Montez and would have won CU a couple more games the past couple years I believe.
 
Bread said:
No, he's making throws that Montez missed or can't make because Fromm is a very well rounded QB. He has good arm strength, great accuracy, and knows how to throw with touch. This makes me think you really don't watch college football if you think Fromm would be JAG on a CU level team. I think Montez has done well considering the limitations the offense/OL have put on him, but Fromm is levels above Montez and would have won CU a couple more games the past couple years I believe.
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Yep. Fromm is probably going to be a 1st round draft pick in the 2020 draft. He's one of the top QBs in the country. Saying that he wouldn't succeed somewhere with a below average OL is comical. Dude is a difference maker.
 
TSchekler said:
Yep. Fromm is probably going to be a 1st round draft pick in the 2020 draft. He's one of the top QBs in the country. Saying that he wouldn't succeed somewhere with a below average OL is comical. Dude is a difference maker.
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pahi with more awful football takes (that even the person who agreed to spend her entire life with him doesn’t want to hear)? No way, man. No way.
 
Big Iron Buff said:
Can we put this bull**** theory that if a guy doesn't play for a 5A school he isn't worth recruiting? It always annoys me and I usually just ignore it, but it has hit critical mass in this thread. Here are some guys off the top of my head who have been serious contributors in the NFL in the past 10 years from 3A and smaller schools in Colorado...

Nate Solder from 1A Buena Vista (we all know what he's accomplished)
Ryan Jenson from 3A Fort Morgan, starting center for Tampa Bay.
Joel Dreessen from 3A Fort Morgan, contributed for both Texans and Broncos, with a solid 2012 season when he started.
Mitch Unrein from 2A Eaton, contributed for the Broncos and Bears.
Austin Ekeler from 2A Eaton, having a good year for the Chargers and looks like he'll have a good career as a 3rd down back.
And not in NFL yet, but Dalton Risner from 1A Wiggins, projected as a top 10 pick this year.

Yeah, the average talent level is less in lower classifications. Yeah, their stats can be elevated from it. But that doesn't lower the ceiling of what kind of players these schools can produce. They take more elaborate analysis and you probably want to get them to a camp to see them compete against higher level opponents, but suggesting Evans is a miss just because he's in 3A is irresponsible and makes you look like a smug douche. Not any old slapdick gets invited to the elite 11. Not any old slapdick has an NFL career.

Being ok with Ty leaving because you trust MT might have another plan? Ok. Being ok because you don't think he'll fit our scheme? Understandable. But sour grapes and throwing out classification, especially in a recruit thread, makes you a dildo.
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You left out Bill Musgrave.
 
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manhattanbuf said:
pahi with more awful football takes (that even the person who agreed to spend her entire life with him doesn’t want to hear)? No way, man. No way.
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The wife thing was a joke. And I pray to God for a nickel for every dumb prediction I read on Allbuffs and used to read on Netbuffs. These are sites that routinely cussed me out for calling Hawkins a fraud after year one. Y'alls track record is terrible.
 
PAHIBuff said:
The wife thing was a joke. And I pray to God for a nickel for every dumb prediction I read on Allbuffs and used to read on Netbuffs. These are sites that routinely cussed me out for calling Hawkins a fraud after year one. Y'alls track record is terrible.
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This is literal comedy. You’re one of the dimmest posters on this site. Your football takes are so brutally terrible.

As for the wife comment, doesn’t it say something that we all believed sincerely that her not wanting to hear your nonsense takes could be true? Uh huh. You’re the voice in the wilderness!
 
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