2012 revenue numbers out

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I think it's safe to assume this type of financial performance is directly attributable to gross underinvestment for a decade or more (speaking to football here since it is the money maker). Why are "student fees" (and what are they) flat since 2005? The cost of nearly everything has skyrocketed since 2005, yet these fees are flat?

Probably tuition fees

 

[absinthe]

I think it's safe to assume this type of financial performance is directly attributable to gross underinvestment for a decade or more (speaking to football here since it is the money maker). Why are "student fees" (and what are they) flat since 2005? The cost of nearly everything has skyrocketed since 2005, yet these fees are flat?

and wtf is "other" ? which is it 7 million in 2005 then 2-3million then jumps to 4?

 

[CUFan]

Probably tuition fees

If tuition fees why are they flat? The rest of tuition has been skyrocketing, yet student fees are left completely alone? Absent further information it seems that is unfairly penalizing the AD (making the AD absorb the costs without the revenue to offset).

and wtf is "other" ? which is it 7 million in 2005 then 2-3million then jumps to 4?

"Other" has got to be a revenue classification issue. They must have changed where they put that portion of "other" after 2005. The AD should put out a full annual report complete with notes. This is really hard for us internet ***holes to analyze without context. We could fix this thing with little effort if we had the facts!

 

[BlackNGold]

You guys can fabricate numbers all that you want it does not change the FACT that CU men's basketball lost money in 2012. Let's take your number of $2.5 million in ticket sales (which is about $1 million too high) - since men's Basketball has expenses in excess of $4 Million per year - you still lose money if you do not receive a conference distribution for basketball.

CU was receiving $2.5 to $2.8 Million from the Big 12 for basketball. That was a combination of TV revenue share, Big 12 tourney, and NCAA tourney payout. I wanted to avoid going over the NCAA payout but simply put your conference earns one unit for each game a conference team play in - those units carry over for 5 years (six total). Each Unit is worth about $245,000. For example the Big 12 received $17 million in 2010 for the NCAA tournament.

Throwing in Women's basketball as some offset in revenue is plain silly. CU's Women's team loses over $2 million per year (biggest drain on the AD there is). They are half of your $1 Million estimate in total revenue - they usually bring in about $400,000 in revenue with Expenses of about $3 Million.

Here is a link for the Big 12 Basketball Revenue Breakdown LINK - It is for 2008-09 season but it gives you an idea of the numbers. Since your attendance would of been down for that year how do you think CU made $4 million in Revenue ( Conference Distribution).

The Cost of moving Conferences is going to be close to $20 Million to the CU AD.

 

[Quattro]

Man Bohn must have been lying when he said the men's bball program turned a profit for the second straight year.

Fabricated numbers :rofl: I guess if you want to call numbers from the CU AD website fabricated. It's called estimation given the factors.

And why are you talking about the Big 12 so much? How is it relevant to 2012-2013 revenues?

 

[absinthe]

CU was receiving $2.5 to $2.8 Million from the Big 12 for basketball. That was a combination of TV revenue share, Big 12 tourney, and NCAA tourney payout. I wanted to avoid going over the NCAA payout but simply put your conference earns one unit for each game a conference team play in - those units carry over for 5 years (six total). Each Unit is worth about $245,000. For example the Big 12 received $17 million in 2010 for the NCAA tournament.

Here is the root issue with this entire discussion -you can poke holes in all of these numbers.

You've gone your self from saying that it was a 2.8 million dollar NCAA payout and that we dont get that any more to revising it to a 2.8 basketball related payout number. If that is the case then a significant portion of your offset would actually still be coming to CU we are receiving Pac-12 TV money now, we are receiving pac-12 tourney money, and starting this year we do earn a small conf distribution that will grow over time. So yes there were/are costs associated with it, and really this comes down to revenue and how you allocate it.

Assuming a equal split of the NCAA tourney money by the big 12 that gap is closer to 1.4 million not the 2.8 you initially asserted. As it relates to this discussion both sides are massaging the numbers to try and make a point you think one set is wildly inflated others think yours are disingenuously low.

What we do know is roughly what basketball costs and if you allocate no share of the TV money to the team then yes they lose money, no ifs ands, or buts. IF look at purely the tourney shortfall as you initially argued, actually allocate some of the pac-12 TV money, and factor what is a 40% rise in stadium based revenue over the past 3 seasons that hole closes pretty nicely.

 

[SuperD]

You guys can fabricate numbers all that you want it does not change the FACT that CU men's basketball lost money in 2012. Let's take your number of $2.5 million in ticket sales (which is about $1 million too high) - since men's Basketball has expenses in excess of $4 Million per year - you still lose money if you do not receive a conference distribution for basketball.

CU was receiving $2.5 to $2.8 Million from the Big 12 for basketball. That was a combination of TV revenue share, Big 12 tourney, and NCAA tourney payout. I wanted to avoid going over the NCAA payout but simply put your conference earns one unit for each game a conference team play in - those units carry over for 5 years (six total). Each Unit is worth about $245,000. For example the Big 12 received $17 million in 2010 for the NCAA tournament.

Throwing in Women's basketball as some offset in revenue is plain silly. CU's Women's team loses over $2 million per year (biggest drain on the AD there is). They are half of your $1 Million estimate in total revenue - they usually bring in about $400,000 in revenue with Expenses of about $3 Million.

Here is a link for the Big 12 Basketball Revenue Breakdown LINK - It is for 2008-09 season but it gives you an idea of the numbers. Since your attendance would of been down for that year how do you think CU made $4 million in Revenue ( Conference Distribution).

The Cost of moving Conferences is going to be close to $20 Million to the CU AD.

Well according to this article, if you account for all related income men's basketball was profitable for the second year in a row, with the following numbers:

$4,490,779 in total revenues
$2,303,703 in net income

Unless you think the writer just pulled those numbers out of the air.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/aliciaj...ng-back-to-university-of-colorado-basketball/

 

[absinthe]

Well according to this article, if you account for all related income men's basketball was profitable for the second year in a row, with the following numbers:

$4,490,779 in total revenues
$2,303,703 in net income

Unless you think the writer just pulled those numbers out of the air.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/aliciaj...ng-back-to-university-of-colorado-basketball/

assuming just the topline number is correct that puts us in the black.

 

[Buffnik]

Our hoops revenues are probably hurt by the way NCAA tourney payouts are done. Conference are paid based on the units earned over a 6-year period. I assume we're getting nothing from the Big 12 and only a partial share from the Pac-12 (since we've only just finished our 2nd year in the Pac-12).

http://winthropintelligence.com/201...all-tournament-this-years-unit-payouts-after/