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I have no idea where you guys are coming from, but I honestly and truly believe a RB is what we need.
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2015: Recruiting News, Notes & Official Visitors
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I have no idea where you guys are coming from, but I honestly and truly believe a RB is what we need.
New Commit!
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Interested to find out whether he's being looked at on offense or defense.
I really hate it when the highlights are sped up. Why the hell do they do that?
chitownbuff
Club Member
Go on ...
BuffLuke80
Well-Known Member
You guys remember the last time we had this many commits this time of year? I don't personally.
I'm expecting attrition. Only way it makes sense with such a small senior class.
Now that we know who us getting pt, we should revisit attrition candidates sometime soon
DrunkRalphie
Well-Known Member
From this specific recruiting class or from guys already on the team?
The latter. You don't want to lose commits outside of unusual circumstances.
DrunkRalphie
Well-Known Member
I agree, but it's not like CU recruits haven't been recently poached before. Dotson comes to mind.
BuffLuke80
Well-Known Member
Gotcha, there are a few guys I won't name that I wouldn't give a damn if they split.
BuffLuke80
Well-Known Member
Not I, wanna start winning.
I hate some attrition. Sometimes I think a coach is trying to prove a point by driving kids off when part of the job of a coach at the college level is to develop young men. So I don't like it when someone comes in and starts kicking kids to the curb.
However, we are getting to the point where if someone is still just along for the ride after 2 years and has not bought in... it's time for that guy to be shown the door even if he's technically meeting his athletic scholarship obligations.
BuffLuke80
Well-Known Member
That's where I am with it as well.
FlatironsBuff
Well-Known Member
Exactly. Not kicking them to the curb, and giving them many opportunities, and letting them suck up a schollie with a lackadaisical attitude are two vastly different things.
Let's review D-Line depth and recruiting. We got hammered this year early (IMO) because we had to play guys before they were ready. We really should be looking at 3rd year guys at a minimum.
Current Depth chart, with Next Year's class (removing Seniors)
DE
Christian Shaver, 6-3, 235, SO
De’Jon Wilson, 6-3, 250, JR*
George Frazier, 6-1, 245, SO*
Timothy Coleman, 6-2, 250, SO*
Derek McCartney, 6-3, 240, SO*
Terran Hasselbach, 6-1, 235, RS-FR
Michael Mathewes, 6-5, 250, RS-FR
Markeis Reed, 6-4, 240, SO
Nathaniel Robbins 6-4, 260, JR
DT
Josh Tupou, 6-3, 325, SR
Justin Solis, 6-1, 305, SR
Eddy Lopez, 6-4, 300, SO
Jase Frank 6-4, 270 RS-FR*
Leo Jackson 6-2, 270 JR
*denotes RS year used
I think the staff is insuring against Tupou leaving early, Kafavalo and Henington not returning, and never again needing to use True Frosh on the lines.
I would expect you will see some movement at DE with a couple guys moving to OLB (Greer is a SR, with no real backup). Might Derek Mac move inside with another year?
Or are we moving to a 3-4?
Current Depth chart, with Next Year's class (removing Seniors)
DE
Christian Shaver, 6-3, 235, SO
De’Jon Wilson, 6-3, 250, JR*
George Frazier, 6-1, 245, SO*
Timothy Coleman, 6-2, 250, SO*
Derek McCartney, 6-3, 240, SO*
Terran Hasselbach, 6-1, 235, RS-FR
Michael Mathewes, 6-5, 250, RS-FR
Markeis Reed, 6-4, 240, SO
Nathaniel Robbins 6-4, 260, JR
DT
Josh Tupou, 6-3, 325, SR
Justin Solis, 6-1, 305, SR
Eddy Lopez, 6-4, 300, SO
Jase Frank 6-4, 270 RS-FR*
Leo Jackson 6-2, 270 JR
*denotes RS year used
I think the staff is insuring against Tupou leaving early, Kafavalo and Henington not returning, and never again needing to use True Frosh on the lines.
I would expect you will see some movement at DE with a couple guys moving to OLB (Greer is a SR, with no real backup). Might Derek Mac move inside with another year?
Or are we moving to a 3-4?
With our LBs, moving to a 3-4 is a terrifying thought. We don't have any big enough for the OLBs, and he'd be hard pressed to field 4 guys with a 2 deep.
Oklahoma has a fun variant of the 3-4 that's doing great against today's spread offenses. 4-2-5 is another option. We go 3 down linemen too. HCMM loves being multiple.
We played a lot of 3 man front vs Cal...
You left Clay Norgaard off that list who will be a Jr. DT currently listed at 250lbs. Clay has had trouble putting on weight but should be able to get 10-15 lbs heavier next year and contribute some for depth.
If we want to think about going to a 3-4 we are going to need to be much deeper at LB than we are now. You also need to have some bigger, more physical LBs to play that style and that isn't what we have now.
What I could see us doing is taking a bit of a page from the NY Giants system and play with 4 DL but not have two traditional DTs in there. They went to 4 DE types but were big enough to hold up inside. I could see us using one true DT to anchor the middle and 3 DE types to provide more speed and mobility and attempt to create more pressure on the passer.
Edit: Typically, Nik beat me to Clay.
If we want to think about going to a 3-4 we are going to need to be much deeper at LB than we are now. You also need to have some bigger, more physical LBs to play that style and that isn't what we have now.
What I could see us doing is taking a bit of a page from the NY Giants system and play with 4 DL but not have two traditional DTs in there. They went to 4 DE types but were big enough to hold up inside. I could see us using one true DT to anchor the middle and 3 DE types to provide more speed and mobility and attempt to create more pressure on the passer.
Edit: Typically, Nik beat me to Clay.
If some of our DTs could play DE in the role of taking on multiple blockers to free up our LBs it may make sense with some of the recruiting we're seeing.
I could definitely see guys like Tupou, Solis and Lopez playing NT. Then, you play these guys in the 260-280 lb range at DE to hopefully take on 4 or 5 OLs with 3 guys. Then, we have a lot of hybrid types playing DE right now who might fit well with playing either with a hand down or standing up. Could do some creative stuff with blitzes and confusing coverages by blitzing one of those two OLBs every play from a 3-4 as the base pass rush. It also opens up a lot of options for bringing an ILB and rolling coverage to mix things up while still dropping 7 or running some 3-3-5 at times where it might even be the Nickel who rushes.
As long as you get the guys up front to maintain a great run defense, this is the best defensive scheme for bringing consistent pressure while still having a coverage scheme that doesn't leave schematic holes.
3-3-5 maybe? Recruiting for a 3-4 defense in the Pac 12 doesn't make much sense.
Why?
boydbuff
Club Member
I saw someone run that this year. Not every series but throughout the game. Wreaked all kinds of havoc as the OL had no ****ing clue who to block or who was dropping back in coverage, etc. Does seem like it requires crazy discipline and communication on the D to pull that off.
Just don't see the 3-4 as being a defensive solution in the Pac 12