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2025 WBIT Tourney thread- #1 regional seed WOMEN'S bball (1st round game in Boulder vs. Southeastern Louisiana, Thursday, 3/20, 7:00 PM MT, ESPN+)
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Bmixer
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seems like more of the pieces for next year are staying this year. I just remember gong into shock every day seeing all the players transfer
Bmixer
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It is a problem. They need to get some side rails on it but the NCAA is to weak to do so. I have said this about MBB and I think it is true about WBB, they need a czar or gm over the program to deal with the NIL, this new house settlement and raising NIL funds for the program. I love JR and she is a very good person to lead the program but I would rather have her focus on the team and culture and have a dynamic person to raise money and funding for the two programs
Former Notre Dame Coach Muffet McGraw is commentating between games for the Women's tournament. She said yesterday, it's totally out of hand. Players are not considering the academic affects of transferring every year and most will never make a living playing hoops.
Her opinion a player should be able to always transfer when there is a coaching change and then one transfer. At most two without sitting out. She also thinks there need to be contracts for players to actually stay. She is thinking a lot of coaches will not be recruiting high school players but strictly from the portal if this continues. Why waste your resources developing a young player so another school reaps all the rewards.
Her opinion a player should be able to always transfer when there is a coaching change and then one transfer. At most two without sitting out. She also thinks there need to be contracts for players to actually stay. She is thinking a lot of coaches will not be recruiting high school players but strictly from the portal if this continues. Why waste your resources developing a young player so another school reaps all the rewards.
Freshman Erin Powell is in the portal. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.
Good riddance to another one.
There are over 1200 women in the basketball portal. Do they all really think they are going to make a **** ton of money? The people who are leaving CU are not that good and they are not getting big $$$ in NIL.
As for us, we will only be able to get the leftover players and JR has to completely rebuild the team. This sucks
I hate college sports.
Good riddance to another one.
There are over 1200 women in the basketball portal. Do they all really think they are going to make a **** ton of money? The people who are leaving CU are not that good and they are not getting big $$$ in NIL.
As for us, we will only be able to get the leftover players and JR has to completely rebuild the team. This sucks
I hate college sports.
Bmixer
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I agree. none of these ladies who have left in the past two years are going to get big deals except for Vonlay. I don't know what the deal is but it is like a revolving door at the CU web team every year. They need to get a little more stability. I wonder how many of the ladies are going to end up going back to their teams as they find out the truth about their status
As long as the transfers you lose are your recruiting misses, it's a net positive. When someone who had transferred to CU enters the portal in search of a better deal, I am not bothered by it because them having that mindset is the reason they came here in the first place.
For all programs, I really don't care if CU is a player to sign the top free agents who hit the market. What I want to see is us able to have the resources to keep the players we recruited and want back because they are or will be key contributors. And on top of that, I want to have the funding to backfill our transfer losses with upgrades (either a transfer who fits a need and can contribute or a prep who fits a need and has upside). I'm not looking at us being a mercenary AD which reconstructs every roster every year with the best players money can buy.
For all programs, I really don't care if CU is a player to sign the top free agents who hit the market. What I want to see is us able to have the resources to keep the players we recruited and want back because they are or will be key contributors. And on top of that, I want to have the funding to backfill our transfer losses with upgrades (either a transfer who fits a need and can contribute or a prep who fits a need and has upside). I'm not looking at us being a mercenary AD which reconstructs every roster every year with the best players money can buy.
Since RG is all about football, I don't expect CU to have enough $$$$ to pay players enough to come to either the men's or women's teams.
We don't have the resources. Kids are not playing sports because they love sports. They have an agent in high school. That is not the game I grew up loving.
I am starting to understand why fewer high school teams in Iowa are even able to field a team. What's the point if you are not talented enough to get the big money in college? This is going to mean less players for colleges and eventually some colleges will have to drop the sport too.
I am to the point of disgust with the money, money, money that I hope the entire college sports world blows up.
Coaches are paid more than professors. Athletics have bigger budgets than academics.
There are no student athletes. There are athletes who go to school in jest because of the money they make. It's totally out of hand.
I have been a small time donor to WBB for 40 years. I am no longer a donor of CU WBB.
We don't have the resources. Kids are not playing sports because they love sports. They have an agent in high school. That is not the game I grew up loving.
I am starting to understand why fewer high school teams in Iowa are even able to field a team. What's the point if you are not talented enough to get the big money in college? This is going to mean less players for colleges and eventually some colleges will have to drop the sport too.
I am to the point of disgust with the money, money, money that I hope the entire college sports world blows up.
Coaches are paid more than professors. Athletics have bigger budgets than academics.
There are no student athletes. There are athletes who go to school in jest because of the money they make. It's totally out of hand.
I have been a small time donor to WBB for 40 years. I am no longer a donor of CU WBB.
Bmixer
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apparently Bri McCloud is back in the portal after spending 1 year at SMU. Probably has to do with the coaching switch but at some point these kids and families have to learn transferring every year is not good.
BuffByMarriage
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I just don't grasp the negativity. Maybe it's because I'm local so I'm "around" the program more. They do various little events in the preseason, and one towards the end of the season, where you can get to know the players a little bit.
Anyways, the 23-24 team had I think 5 transfers in the top 8 rotational players as far as MPG. I get that many of them had been here for multiple years, but it seems odd to me to complain about transfers going out, but appreciate the ones coming in. I think 6 of the top 9 rotational players were also seniors. That number is a little weird with COVID years and Smith and Formann electing to return but either way this year was always going to be a rebuilding year with a ton of turnover.
If there were limited or no transfers in this year, like the good old days, that would mean Vonleh, Formann, Smith, Wetta, Sanders, and a bunch of freshmen that didn't play at all the previous year. None of those freshman who transferred out really amounted to much this year on their other teams as sophomores. If you assume that injuries stayed the same (ie Formann getting hurt) that theoretical team is a disaster essentially asking Vonleh to score 30+ a game.
Garzon, Diew, Masogayo, and Teder largely saved this year's team from being a disaster. Maybe I'm a homer, but it's a tournament team with Formann healthy. She was obviously the leader of the team if you attend the games. She's both the most vocal player on the bench and the most vocal player on the floor. I know PGs are traditionally viewed as the leaders, but there's no reason a PG has to be the leader on a team that runs what I understand to be JR's version of the Princeton offense. Formann was verbally instructing players to go to the post, come out and set screens, clear out...etc. I don't think it's any coincidence how much better this team was with her on the floor.
Even with barely missing out on the tournament due to injuries, this was the best stretch this program has seen in twenty years. I believe this team has one of the best average GPAs. I think it's awesome how many foreign players JR and company manage to find. Basketball, even women's basketball, is obviously becoming more and more global. Just look at the olympics and how much more competitive it was. For the team to represent sort of a global brand, is really cool in my opinion.
Jade Masogayo is an incredible story to me. To go from averaging like 8 and 5 at Missouri State to being CU's team MVP. I think this was voted on by the players and she 110% deserved it. She said at the preseason banquet that she loved being here and appreciated all the support she was getting from the staff at CU, which she didn't necessarily feel like she got at her prior school.
She's extremely humble and I find that so insanely refreshing in a world where in men's basketball players are getting identified at a younger and younger age and have giant egos by the time they get to college. I certainly hope we can get a true 5 and really unlock her. She's obviously better suited to be an Anthony Davis type and use her athleticism to roam defensively. Either way, I'm excited about her potential if the staff can convince her how great she can be. I'm also excited to see her play more with Benson. I hope they can gel because two players with that much skill and size working together can really make for some great basketball.
I don't necessarily know if it was an either/or proposition, but I'm happy we have Masagayo over Vonleh. I'm also happy for Vonleh if she got paid by some rich Texas oil baron. She deserves it.
As far as the rest of the transfers, it's been said but I don't think they're transferring for money. I think they're transferring for more playing time. I don't understand why anyone should go through all it takes to be a division 1/power 4 student athlete and not play. That sounds miserable to me. Some of them make poor decisions and don't end up playing any more anyways, but that's 100% their decision to make.
Anyways, the 23-24 team had I think 5 transfers in the top 8 rotational players as far as MPG. I get that many of them had been here for multiple years, but it seems odd to me to complain about transfers going out, but appreciate the ones coming in. I think 6 of the top 9 rotational players were also seniors. That number is a little weird with COVID years and Smith and Formann electing to return but either way this year was always going to be a rebuilding year with a ton of turnover.
If there were limited or no transfers in this year, like the good old days, that would mean Vonleh, Formann, Smith, Wetta, Sanders, and a bunch of freshmen that didn't play at all the previous year. None of those freshman who transferred out really amounted to much this year on their other teams as sophomores. If you assume that injuries stayed the same (ie Formann getting hurt) that theoretical team is a disaster essentially asking Vonleh to score 30+ a game.
Garzon, Diew, Masogayo, and Teder largely saved this year's team from being a disaster. Maybe I'm a homer, but it's a tournament team with Formann healthy. She was obviously the leader of the team if you attend the games. She's both the most vocal player on the bench and the most vocal player on the floor. I know PGs are traditionally viewed as the leaders, but there's no reason a PG has to be the leader on a team that runs what I understand to be JR's version of the Princeton offense. Formann was verbally instructing players to go to the post, come out and set screens, clear out...etc. I don't think it's any coincidence how much better this team was with her on the floor.
Even with barely missing out on the tournament due to injuries, this was the best stretch this program has seen in twenty years. I believe this team has one of the best average GPAs. I think it's awesome how many foreign players JR and company manage to find. Basketball, even women's basketball, is obviously becoming more and more global. Just look at the olympics and how much more competitive it was. For the team to represent sort of a global brand, is really cool in my opinion.
Jade Masogayo is an incredible story to me. To go from averaging like 8 and 5 at Missouri State to being CU's team MVP. I think this was voted on by the players and she 110% deserved it. She said at the preseason banquet that she loved being here and appreciated all the support she was getting from the staff at CU, which she didn't necessarily feel like she got at her prior school.
She's extremely humble and I find that so insanely refreshing in a world where in men's basketball players are getting identified at a younger and younger age and have giant egos by the time they get to college. I certainly hope we can get a true 5 and really unlock her. She's obviously better suited to be an Anthony Davis type and use her athleticism to roam defensively. Either way, I'm excited about her potential if the staff can convince her how great she can be. I'm also excited to see her play more with Benson. I hope they can gel because two players with that much skill and size working together can really make for some great basketball.
I don't necessarily know if it was an either/or proposition, but I'm happy we have Masagayo over Vonleh. I'm also happy for Vonleh if she got paid by some rich Texas oil baron. She deserves it.
As far as the rest of the transfers, it's been said but I don't think they're transferring for money. I think they're transferring for more playing time. I don't understand why anyone should go through all it takes to be a division 1/power 4 student athlete and not play. That sounds miserable to me. Some of them make poor decisions and don't end up playing any more anyways, but that's 100% their decision to make.
Sent an email to Rick George telling him my feelings and that I don't want one cent of my donations going to salary or NIL. He said I can specify that it all goes to scholarship and he appreciates my 50 years of supporting the program.
He did not address my concerns about the disparity in funding for men's and women's basketball nor did he address academics over athletics.
It was easy to see Frida was still calling plays, etc. from the bench. Frida is a great person and a great player. I truly appreciate a player like Wetta who came to Colorado because it was close to home and she had no intention of playing professionally. She wanted her education and now basketball is in the past.
I get invitations to the events but I am 1000 miles away so I can't attend.
I also told RG that JR can't compete for the top players in the country who are announcing their new schools now. We will get the leftovers and hope Jr and staff can help them overachieve. She has done that in the past and she can do it again.
Look how no DI school recruited Jaylyn Sherrod and where she is now. She understood loyalty to the coaches that helped her become the best she could be.
Netty played for two seasons at Colorado. She would have been a stud on this year's team. When she and Quay came from Washington, the Huskies were losing big time. They came and got better. Quay has been the leading scorer on her Belgium team many games this season and they have signed her for next season.
The Liberty has invested time and money in Jay plus she has the drive to make herself better.
There are not enough minutes in a basketball game for each player to get the minutes they think they deserve. The same will be true wherever they play.
He did not address my concerns about the disparity in funding for men's and women's basketball nor did he address academics over athletics.
It was easy to see Frida was still calling plays, etc. from the bench. Frida is a great person and a great player. I truly appreciate a player like Wetta who came to Colorado because it was close to home and she had no intention of playing professionally. She wanted her education and now basketball is in the past.
I get invitations to the events but I am 1000 miles away so I can't attend.
I also told RG that JR can't compete for the top players in the country who are announcing their new schools now. We will get the leftovers and hope Jr and staff can help them overachieve. She has done that in the past and she can do it again.
Look how no DI school recruited Jaylyn Sherrod and where she is now. She understood loyalty to the coaches that helped her become the best she could be.
Netty played for two seasons at Colorado. She would have been a stud on this year's team. When she and Quay came from Washington, the Huskies were losing big time. They came and got better. Quay has been the leading scorer on her Belgium team many games this season and they have signed her for next season.
The Liberty has invested time and money in Jay plus she has the drive to make herself better.
There are not enough minutes in a basketball game for each player to get the minutes they think they deserve. The same will be true wherever they play.
So, on one hand you don't want a nickel of your contributions going to NIL. On the other hand, you're unhappy the women's program can't compete for the top players in the country, often due to a lack of NIL resources no doubt. Isn't that a serious contradiction?
They could go down a level and get more playing time. I don't see anything wrong with that.
When I was searching for AAU team for my kids, I intentionally pick average team that they can get playing time to develop, instead of joining a very strong team that they have to sit 30 minutes in a game.
In this era, there is no difference between playing for a AAU and playing for a university. Blame the system, don't blame the kids.
Grace Oliver was going to develop into a key player pretty quickly next year and is a bad loss. Just noticed on WBBlog that she’s signed with Wake Forest. Maybe she was just too far from home, who knows?
I think that A. Johnson is a loss too. Something was wrong from the jump there. She played well when she got in but was used sparingly. Not sure what the issue was but it was obvious that there was a major disconnect somewhere.
I noticed that Lior Garzon’s 6’3” sister is in the portal. Played at Indiana, started, and was second team B1G. A possible target? You’d think maybe so….
Down in Arizona, Adia Barnes quit at UofA to take the SMU job. Had 10 players enter the portal right after the season ended. Questioned her teams heart. All was not well and the feeling locally is she jumped before likely getting the axe. Had one year left on her contract and she and the AD were not on speaking terms. An idiotic local soap opera.
I think that A. Johnson is a loss too. Something was wrong from the jump there. She played well when she got in but was used sparingly. Not sure what the issue was but it was obvious that there was a major disconnect somewhere.
I noticed that Lior Garzon’s 6’3” sister is in the portal. Played at Indiana, started, and was second team B1G. A possible target? You’d think maybe so….
Down in Arizona, Adia Barnes quit at UofA to take the SMU job. Had 10 players enter the portal right after the season ended. Questioned her teams heart. All was not well and the feeling locally is she jumped before likely getting the axe. Had one year left on her contract and she and the AD were not on speaking terms. An idiotic local soap opera.
Lior's sister is going to Maryland.
After what Adia Barnes said after Arizona lost in the WBIT, I figured she was gone. She said none of the team was in to it and she wished they had not accepted the bid. Shouldn't she have checked with her players before accepting the bid?
After what Adia Barnes said after Arizona lost in the WBIT, I figured she was gone. She said none of the team was in to it and she wished they had not accepted the bid. Shouldn't she have checked with her players before accepting the bid?
Thanks for the news about Lior’s sister.
My impression is that Arizona fans had gotten over Barnes lately and the bloom was off the rose. It’s been a long time since their appearance in the natty final. She should have checked with her players probably, but something has been amiss in the program for a few years. You’d think players would want to play. I think she’s not all that as a coach but the lack of NIL hasn’t helped. The men’s program is gold plated moneywise and the women’s is the left out in the woods according to her. Frustration all around. The new coach is from Buffalo University and the hire was fast. The entire school is a mess financially and not just the Ath Dept. Adia is not a people person like JR Payne is.
Up in Tempe, almost the entire ASU team left and the new coach is from Grand Canyon U.
Two major Trainwrecks. Makes CU look like a well oiled machine.