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22-23 Transfer Portal and General Recruiting Catch-All Thread

I know separate transfer threads were combined yesterday (thanks, moderator), but I wonder if the problem wasn't multiple threads, but that the threads weren't categorized. Since Prime came, there's now a flood of posts. Maybe having 3 threads helps sort through what's happening?: 1) incoming/potential incoming transfers, 2) transfers leaving CU, 3) newsworthy transfers to/from other programs?
 
does anyone know if CU has any football players on 4 year scholarships? I honestly wouldn't be surprised if all the team had been on year to years.
 
hokiehead said:
does anyone know if CU has any football players on 4 year scholarships? I honestly wouldn't be surprised if all the team had been on year to years.
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According to the Pac-12's new rules, all athletic scholarships will be guaranteed for four years and "can neither be reduced nor canceled provided the student-athlete remains in good standing and meets his/her terms of the agreement." In addition, financial aid agreements offered to incoming athletes will be "for no less than four academic years" beginning in the 2015-16 academic year.
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GawainBuff said:
There are two concepts you are referencing: "performance" and "conduct." They are related but different, and "performance" gets used ambiguously as it is both a "term of art" and colloquialism. Just because a player does not become a Heisman candidate (or ever starts in game) does not mean that he has not "performed" under the terms of the contract. I don't know anything about the specific scholarship contract language, but I would imagine there are "personal conduct" requirements, but not "performance" requirements (this would be where "performance" would have a different meaning). In other words, if a student-athlete is failing to show up for classes or commits a crime, that will--no doubt--have contractual ramifications. That's "conduct."

If I player is working his ass off, but has horrible hands, keeps dropping passes, and never gets into a game, that is not going to be covered under a "conduct" provision of the contract: the player is acting in good faith to fulfill the terms of the contract to the best of his ability. If the student does all of the specific things he is required to do under the scholarship contract, maintains a certain grade-point, attend all the required classes and team "mandatory" activities, etc., that player will have "performed" his obligations under the contract.

I am certain there are no contract terms which require that any player reach All-Pac12 status (or even be a starter) in order to maintain their scholarship, for a number of reasons (not the least of which would be attempting to quantify the minimum contractual standard across the board required for players not to be in breach). That's the different meaning of "performance," which does not fall within the--likely--contract terms.

The issue of whether a player is not giving it his all is a greyer area, but I am sure that getting kicked off the team is grounds to lose the scholarship. There may be disputes along those lines: i.e., Coach kicked me off the team without good cause.

Contracts 101 adjourned.

(Please read ahead for the next class: Interaction of statutory law with private contract terms.)
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You’re creating straw men to bolster your arguments. It was never claimed that their were specific incentives and certainly not that someone be all Pac 12 or a starter.

It was also understood that performance and conduct are different things which is why both were brought up in different contexts. The point in bringing up conduct was to illustrate there are obvious problems instances in which a scholarship can be rescinded, in response to the assertion that schools should be locked in to them.

There is also a concept in contracts called implied terms. Expecting players that commit to being P5 players meet a minimum level of competence as players is a reasonable expectation to have in such an agreement even if it’s not explicitly written out.

However, this conversation is moot because the Pac 12 apparently has recently established different rules guaranteeing 4 year scholarships and nobody seems to know how many of those are actually even granted.
 
NuggNinja said:
You’re creating straw men to bolster your arguments. It was never claimed that their were specific incentives and certainly not that someone be all Pac 12 or a starter.

It was also understood that performance and conduct are different things which is why both were brought up in different contexts. The point in bringing up conduct was to illustrate there are obvious problems instances in which a scholarship can be rescinded, in response to the assertion that schools should be locked in to them.

There is also a concept in contracts called implied terms. Expecting players that commit to being P5 players meet a minimum level of competence as players is a reasonable expectation to have in such an agreement even if it’s not explicitly written out.

However, this conversation is moot because the Pac 12 apparently has recently established different rules guaranteeing 4 year scholarships and nobody seems to know how many of those are actually even granted.
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Now, we are back to the AB we know and love...continue.
 
Flat_Iron_Rising said:
I do think they should retain their scholarship to finish school whether playing for the team or not players need something to fall back on if things don't work out and it won't work out for the majority of them.

Example I have a cousin that played double and triple A ball in the Twins farm system. Played for Gwynn at San Diego State. He bounced around double and triple for a for a few years and then hung it up. At least he has an associates degree under his belt well and a 93 mile an hour fast ball lol.

Edit: He was also disciplined enough to get at least an associates while playing.
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Maybe the ncaa should allow current players to finish school with non-athletic scholarships, when a school switches coaches and the new coach decides they don't 'fit'? Pay their school costs even though they will no longer play a sport and don't count them against the athletic scholarship limit.
 
cu3x said:
Maybe the ncaa should allow current players to finish school with non-athletic scholarships, when a school switches coaches and the new coach decides they don't 'fit'? Pay their school costs even though they will no longer play a sport and don't count them against the athletic scholarship limit.
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I think only someone injured so badly they couldn’t play anymore would accept this. If any player healthy enough to play would accept this, someone did a horrible job in recruiting by signing someone that didn’t have a serious competitive drive and desire to play.
 
NuggNinja said:
You’re creating straw men to bolster your arguments. It was never claimed that their were specific incentives and certainly not that someone be all Pac 12 or a starter.

It was also understood that performance and conduct are different things which is why both were brought up in different contexts. The point in bringing up conduct was to illustrate there are obvious problems instances in which a scholarship can be rescinded, in response to the assertion that schools should be locked in to them.

There is also a concept in contracts called implied terms. Expecting players that commit to being P5 players meet a minimum level of competence as players is a reasonable expectation to have in such an agreement even if it’s not explicitly written out.

However, this conversation is moot because the Pac 12 apparently has recently established different rules guaranteeing 4 year scholarships and nobody seems to know how many of those are actually even granted.
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I was merely setting the framework for the discussion, as the terms get used ambiguously in different contexts.

Certainly, there can be "implied" terms of a contract, but those are fairly limited in application, falling within very defined categories: as defined specifically under law (as with certain "implied warranties"), as a matter of course in a particular industry, by way of conduct between the parties, essential to the nature of the contract, etc. I think it would be a stretch for any school to attempt to argue there is an "implied" obligation in an athletic scholarship to ... in essence... be really good. That is where I was pointing out the difference between "performance" and conduct as set forth in any contract.

And certainly, the Pac-12 requirements for athletic scholarships could be considered an "implied" term to contracts signed by parties within the scope of its governing Rules. Though, it's very likely that the express terms of CU's scholarship contracts with its student-athletes directly reference Pac-12 Rules, making those terms explicit and not "implied," per se.

The point of all of this is that, I sincerely doubt, on-field "performance" can ever be a breaching term of any scholarship contract. I wasn't "implying" anything else.
 
1. Is CU going to set up a panel to review those who want to transfer in, so that there aren't huge delays? Obviously, there will be a lot.

2. When can a transfer start to practice with his new team?

3. Is it too late to transfer for CU's Spring semester?

This is a simple search for 'alabama portal'. An example of how incredible things are.

 
NuggNinja said:
I think only someone injured so badly they couldn’t play anymore would accept this. If any player healthy enough to play would accept this, someone did a horrible job in recruiting by signing someone that didn’t have a serious competitive drive and desire to play.
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Maybe. But some guys aren't going to want to play at Kuntztown State in Pennsylvania, and some guys, especially one's who've been here a few years, may decide to just hang it up. Life changes people.
 
manhattanbuff said:
I’ll need to look it up, but the P12 declared this rule a few years back for its member schools in response to players losing their scholarships after being cut in other conferences (SEC).
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NCAA created a rule around 2014 allowing 4 year scholarships (previous rule only allowed year-to-year commitments). This was done at the request of the schools to help recruiting. The PAC-12 was the first conference to mandate it for football in response to some of the blowback that SEC schools were doing by oversigning and then cutting existing kids.
 
Also to clarify, no athletics related grant-in-aid can be cancelled for reasons of athletic performance. This is specific in the NCAA division 1 manual, aka the rule book. There is also an appeal process if a grant-in-aid is cancelled. The manual isn't hard to find, just google it.
 
GawainBuff said:
So, Coach Prime is going to (able to) do a year's worth of recruiting in a few days? lol
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So it goes like this:

Coach Prime: So let me get right to the point - you want on the train? You don't have to answer that right this second, talk it over with your familly (it's a big decision!) Let me know, I aint hard to find! (by the way, best you hit me back soon)

Recruit: Yes sir, Coach Prime
 
Darth Snow said:
Is this a picture you took of a TV screen showing the stadium? It looks weird as hell.
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cu3x said:
Maybe. But some guys aren't going to want to play at Kuntztown State in Pennsylvania, and some guys, especially one's who've been here a few years, may decide to just hang it up. Life changes people.
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Playing at Kutztown State worked well for John Mobley

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