That's what I meant with "making a determination about leaving". Point taken.
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A&M To The SEC Nearly A Done Deal ??
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That's what I meant with "making a determination about leaving". Point taken.
ScottyBuff
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I do think that CU and Nebraska gave notice of their intention to withdraw from the Big 12 prior to accepting an invitation to their new conferences.
Yes, we know that they were discussions that took place beforehand, but they were "if we found ourselves not aligned with the Big 12 would you be interested?" type conversations with no formal offer being given, but I'm sure a handshake deal was made.
Since then, the Big 12 supposedly increased the penalties for withdrawing on short notice (one of those we are all committed gestures they made to each other last year).
Since the Texas A&M to SEC stuff has been so publicly played out, I think the SEC is taking extra precautions to make sure that Texas A&M dissolves itself of their Big 12 membership prior to formally doing anything. Yes it is conjencture, because it is all "CYA" maneuvering for things that don't happen very often so there are few precedents to test.
Yes, we know that they were discussions that took place beforehand, but they were "if we found ourselves not aligned with the Big 12 would you be interested?" type conversations with no formal offer being given, but I'm sure a handshake deal was made.
Since then, the Big 12 supposedly increased the penalties for withdrawing on short notice (one of those we are all committed gestures they made to each other last year).
Since the Texas A&M to SEC stuff has been so publicly played out, I think the SEC is taking extra precautions to make sure that Texas A&M dissolves itself of their Big 12 membership prior to formally doing anything. Yes it is conjencture, because it is all "CYA" maneuvering for things that don't happen very often so there are few precedents to test.
THujone...need I say more?
http://www.shaggybevo.com/board/showthread.php/94799-Cfb-offseason-in-ms-paint-part-ii-dateline-Aggy
The rest of the story.
Oh Jeezbus:
Also:
Also:
http://blogs.mercurynews.com/colleg...he-sec-how-the-big-12-might-respond-and-more/
Also lists va tech as a likely SEC target as well as mizzou and UNC.
Also lists va tech as a likely SEC target as well as mizzou and UNC.
Not to mention basketball. You don't leave the ACC for the SEC if you're a basketball power like UNC is.
I agree. I keep thinking that when the dust clears, the fact remains that the SEC wants into the North Carolina market and UNC is just not going to go... and it won't surprise me if they take NC State. Academically a much better fit. Student population about the same as UNCs (maybe bigger for undergrad). More of a football school than a basketball school. I think it works.
Mick Ronson
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plus, UNC practically runs the ACC. it's more understated, but they are like Texas was in the SWC. the big heavy in a conference with a very state-based inflection. half the teams in the pre FSU/Miami ACC are in North Carolina. and UNC is the big dog. whatever prestige edge Duke may have is certainly countered by UNC's vastly larger alum base and regional identity. most of the kids at Duke are from somewhere else.
Good points all. The basketball angle is huge. NC State could be an option. They would love to be a b-ball school, but that is not likely to happen in the current makeup of the ACC. To Mick's point, the current ACC commish was a longtime AD at UNC and he did some interesting stuff back in the 80s when Clemson was put on probation.
Also, wilner is gonna post somethign about the pac12 re: expansion in the next few days. Should be good.
http://businessofcollegesports.com/2011/08/19/economic-impact-of-texas-am-moving-to-sec/
:rofl: Baylor is allsome. Like a little kid trying to play with the big boys but not understanding why everyone is laughing at him because his efforts are so pathetic.
"Last time I checked, the SEC doesn’t require schools to physically move when they join the conference. There are no plans for Texas A&M to relocate to Mississippi, Alabama or Georgia in order to join the SEC. You won’t be driving down the highway and see half a building on a semi trailer. Nope, Texas A&M will be staying in College Station.
Why then the cries of poverty in Texas should Texas A&M leave the Big 12? According to [URL="http://www.perrymangroup.com/reports/Big_12_2011.pdf"]a report by the Perryman Group, even if the Big 12 stays intact, the economic impact of Texas A&M joining the SEC is a reduction of $217.2 million in gross product and 3,050 jobs on the Texas economy. Huh?
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hahaha
Lt.Col.FrankSlade
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I think where Baylor is making their argument is not that Texas A&M won't still play games in College Station - but they won't play any more games in Waco, or Lubbock, or Austin. (i.e. no more games in the Big 12 conference) So money that would be generated by those games could conceivably be lost (or at least diminished).
Should the Big 12 find someone to fill Texas A&M's spot - lets assume for argument's sake that they choose Boise State -- there is a decent chance that there is going to be some financial loss in the Lone Star State for games played at Lubbock, Austin, or Waco - since the number of fans is going to be decreased. Also - rather than having a set number of games each year IN Texas, some teams are going to have to go out of state to play the replacement game. That's a loss for Texas.
It's not a tremendously strong argument, but I think that is where Baylor is coming from.
Should the Big 12 find someone to fill Texas A&M's spot - lets assume for argument's sake that they choose Boise State -- there is a decent chance that there is going to be some financial loss in the Lone Star State for games played at Lubbock, Austin, or Waco - since the number of fans is going to be decreased. Also - rather than having a set number of games each year IN Texas, some teams are going to have to go out of state to play the replacement game. That's a loss for Texas.
It's not a tremendously strong argument, but I think that is where Baylor is coming from.
where are all the jobs being lost?
ScottyBuff
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But if Houston were to replace them then it is a net positive for the state right? Houston in the Big 12 and then you now bring in SEC teams/fans traveling into College Station during the year versus the Conference USA crowd that was coming to Houston.
Completely disagree.
Let's assume there is a 10% dip in attendance for the replacement game in Austin, Lubbock and Waco (2 or 3 dates) as well as for the 2 or 3 dates in College Station when they'll be hosting an SEC team instead of a Big 12 team from Texas. I don't think this is true, but I'll go with it.
Where this argument completely fails is that the current Big 12 games between Texas-based teams simply moves money from one part of Texas to another. It doesn't bring money into the state. Replacing these game with other offerings that bring in tourists is going to be an absolute windfall for the state of Texas. SEC folks travel. So do fans of a lot of other programs. The only way the state loses money is if either the Big 12 replaces aTm with a program like Houston or if they drop to an 8-game conference slate and Baylor/UT/TTU puss out and schedule cupcakes who don't travel or cupcakes from in-state for the replacement games.
More SEC people will come to games at A&M in Texas, than A&M has ever taken to Lubbock and Waco. I see a net gain.
BehindEnemyLines
beware the habu
Agreed. I imagine the folks who want aTm in the $ec will come up with similar stats showing an increase (potentially large) in revenue in Tx. As Nik pointed out, the $ec fan base tends to travel quite well.
NashBuff
CSU Knob-Slobberer
http://bravesandbirds.blogspot.com/2011/08/espn-sec-and-false-specter-of-lawsuits.html
Article about how those lawsuit threats are empty threats.
Article about how those lawsuit threats are empty threats.
:rofl:
I made a comment in another thread a little while back that no way NSCU goes to the SEC but now I'm starting to think otherwise based on what some of you are saying because as some of you have noted, that would get the conference more solidly into the Charlotte market. UNC is too arrogant and high on the ACC to make the smart move and go to the SEC so NCSU would undoubtedly jump on their lost opportunity. And as for Duke and Wake, their popularity is virtually nothing in the Charlotte area, in fact Duke is downright despised around here for some unknown reason. One of the strangest dynamics I've ever seen in sports. I'd be curious to hear CVille's take on this too.
CVilleBuff
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I think it's just a matter of time before NCSU or VT are targeted by the SEC. If NCSU was targeted, I think you might see a lot of broad similarities in the sentiment of their fans to how the Texas A&M fans feel right now. I think Mick is absolutely right to compare UNC/ACC to Texas/Big12 - referred to as the "Carolina Mafia" by many. NCSU's fanbase has a lot of frustration right now because they have been horrendous in basketball lately and Amato's early success in bringing them to prominence in football got completely derailed and ended in failure. Tom O'Brien has since brought stability, but the excitement isn't really there. While there's no doubt basketball still comes first at NCSU, I think the 'Pack (or the majority of their fanbase at least) may feel it's time for a fresh beginning and come out strongly in favor of the SEC. NCSU has also recently redone Carter-Finley and all of their facilities are top class.
The dynamic is a little different with VT. You'd think as a football school that they'd be ready to jump to the SEC in a flash, and while there's certainly a portion of the fanbase that wants that - I'd put it at no more than 40-50% - at least in this speculation stage. I also have a hard time seeing their President, Charles Steger, being in favor of the move. Unlike NCSU who has been an ACC member from the start in '53, VT still views the league as 'new' and 'exciting'. This is a university that has gone from a hick ass Ag school to a respected academic institution at a rapid pace, and they recognize the ACC has a certain prestige academically.
Anybody's guess whether the SEC would target VT first or NCSU first. Both states are very close in population (NC 9.5 mil, VA 8 mil) and offer completely new markets. VT would help bring in the DC media market (9th) and Hampton Roads (42nd). Despite being 3 or 4 hrs away from NOVA/DC, it's the Hokies largest alumni base. The biggest market NCSU brings in is Charlotte (25th) along with Raleigh/Durham (28th)
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I'm sure you meant SEC there but I get your point. It would make sense that VT would be their first choice and I also recall hearing that VT's 2nd-largest alumni base behind Roanoke is Charlotte. Plus they would bring in the much of the DC market as you note.
I can see where NCSU would feel that way seeing as they seem to be somewhat as an afterthought around here, which is another strange dynamic. But if an in-state school were to join the SEC that could completely flip-flop the ACC dominance in the Charlotte area especially with SC only being 1.5 hours away (closer than Chapel Hell, actually), and Knoxville/Athens each only 3.5 hours away.
CVilleBuff
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Oops, yeah SEC. Edited. According to the Hokies I know, the largest base is the DC 'burbs in NOVA. Makes sense considering 30% of VA's population is packed into that little 2 or 3 county area. Certainly a lot of Hoos and Terps there as well. Roanoke is nearly all Hokie, didn't used to be that way in the 90's but UVA is nearly out of the picture down there these days. Richmond is a 50/50 split
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